So the Weed pass thing? and your thoughts?

[nolvanschaik]

Yes, Joossy, whatever...

[joossy]

I don't think either their web site or their FB page is run by the staff in Grey Area. It's run by fans. Certainly the web site is - not so sure about the FB page.
As for 2015 I was hearing that all through 2011 until that visit over New Year when they're singing a completely different tune now.


That is grey area's website! Paid for and created by grey area owners or employers. It is not just some "fan" whose decided to spend time & money for absolutely no gain!!!!!!! What planet do you live on.

Don't be so damn rude - you're showing yourself to be an ignorant piece of nothing. Your attitude quite frankly stinks.

Believe WTF you like. I can't be bothered with an ignorant person like you. Deal with enough of them at work.


Now as you don't believe ANY of us why don't you just go away and let the rest of us discuss the issue at hand rather than ignorant members with their head in the sand.

Goodbye

Sorry I was so rude asking what planet you lived on but it was pretty stupid to think the grey area website was not actually grey areas website.

I believe facts not rumours, you should too matey, its not a case of "believing any of us"

[puffthemagicdragon]

Does someone hear some strange noise in the background - keeps repeating itself over and over again. It's like a droning sound. Most annoying.

[joossy]

The proposal has yet to become law
The proposal has yet to become law,
The proposal has yet to become law,

Is this statement wrong?

My answer?

No it is not, categorically not. prove me wrong if you disagree.

The Coffeeshops in amsterdam know this, hence they are not panicking like some on here. They also know for any law to pass that actually affects Amsterdam will take years anyway!

You guys need to chill.

As of Jan 30th 2012 @ 20.25 a tourist will be able to by weed in Amsterdam in January 2013.....FACT

[Trad]

"....your huffingtonfox bullshit and stick it up your arse."
Nice dialog there Joossy....I would like to tell you to stick your opinions up your ass but, I doubt there is room what with your head already up there.

[puffthemagicdragon]

"....your huffingtonfox bullshit and stick it up your arse."
Nice dialog there Joossy....I would like to tell you to stick your opinions up your ass but, I doubt there is room what with your head already up there.

LOL

[joossy]

When someone says shut up and fuck off you nob and i reply with stick it up your arse

I wouldn't describe it as nice dialog "Trad"

Thanks for your input in the "So the Weed pass thing? and your thoughts?" thread, real helpful

[Trad]

Almost as helpful as you have been I would say.

[abc123]

Topic has taken an interesting turn

The point Joosy is trying to make, is comments in this thread like this:

at the moment it Will be reality in Amsterdam from 20th February 2013!!

Are 100% not true, as quite simply no law has been passed YET. Im not sure why everyone is having a go at him/her about being 'deluded' as thats the fact of the matter at this moment in time.

Off course nobody on here wants it to be reality, and hearing from CS owners about it being more likely to become reality then not, is good information for everyone, but saying its 100% happening in 2013, is wrong, so why can't we just get back to sharing information...and well...hoping it doesnt become reality!

[puffthemagicdragon]

Topic has taken an interesting turn

The point Joosy is trying to make, is comments in this thread like this:

at the moment it Will be reality in Amsterdam from 20th February 2013!!

Are 100% not true, as quite simply no law has been passed YET. Im not sure why everyone is having a go at him/her about being 'deluded' as thats the fact of the matter at this moment in time.

Off course nobody on here wants it to be reality, and hearing from CS owners about it being more likely to become reality then not, is good information for everyone, but saying its 100% happening in 2013, is wrong, so why can't we just get back to sharing information...and well...hoping it doesnt become reality!

But unfortunately joossy doesn't seem to want to listen to the others here.

From my point of view, I've actually said I hope he/she proves me to be wrong - which is conciliatory towards what he/she's saying. But he/she just says I'm from another planet. Certainly turned me against playing nice with him/her any more.

[Boner]

http://www.greyarea.nl/disclaimer.html

Thanks to my main Jeff.

[verticalSquare]

FWIW, after a few glasses of wine, here's my thoughts on the weed pass:

I think that whether or not marijuana should be legalised is actually an extremely complex issue and people who openly advocate its legalisation often make a total mess of it by over simplifying the issue, and by marketing marijuana as a wonder drug.

There have been scientific studies showing marijuana's benifits - pain relief, anti-anxiety etc - and there have been studies showing its negative effects - links to psychosis, lack of brain development, memory impairment etc. So in terms of its overall "good" to man kind, science isn't being very helpful here. The problem is that the human body / brain is such a hugely complex thing that its extraordinarily difficult to reach any kind of definitive conclusion as to how any drug effects it.
FWIW, I've always had a love / hate relationship with the drug. Yes, it gets me high, makes music sound great, makes me creative. But... it can make me paranoid, apathetic and lazy. It can be both good and bad and is neither one nor the other.

In response to a few points in this thread:

1) Weed just makes people chill out. People become aggressive when they drink, they don't when they smoke weed, etc, etc..

Kind of true. But a large percentage of people drink alcohol when they smoke weed while in the Dam. And being drunk and stoned can get VERY messy VERY quickly, as we all know who have done it . So I'm not sure how much this argument holds weight really.

2) "I have said it many times, but parts of this country are extremely conservative. There is a bible belt, a political party that believes the bible literally (they won't allow women in the party) with actual political power. A large part of the country does not like the Dutch image as a haven for drugs and hookers." (Marco)

This to me is the crux of the issue, and resonates with me strongly as I live in Ireland, where a similar level of conservatism exists. The problem is that conservatives have a very strong political voice because they actually contact their politicians / media due to their outrage about pretty much everything. The typical stoner won't kick up a fuss if weed is to be banned in holland because he'll be afraid of the backlash from his employer, parents, colleagues etc. The conservatives win because they actually follow their convictions. The stoner loses because he doesn't due to fear. This is the sad truth of the matter.

3) The weed pass won't come into effect because of the potential loss of revenue due to tourism.

It would be great if this were true, but see point (2). The conservative voice is STRONG, so strong that the potential loss of millions simply won't stop this from happening. Holland existed before weed was legalised and it will still exist when it was banned. The 30(?) years of its cannabis legalisation is a tiny blip in the time the country has been around.

For me, legalisation should come down to one simple philosophy:

1) As a human being, one should have the ability to do what one wishes as long as one's actions do not harm another human being. One should have CHOICE.

2) If the drug isn't regulated by the government, it will be sold by criminals, leading to loss of revenue for the governement and an increase in crime.

These two points should be enough to justify the legalisation of marijuana anywhere, but sadly, in most countries in the world, they aren't. Which sucks. The Weed Pass will happen because conservatism will have won yet again.

[Twichaldinho]

http://www.greyarea.nl/disclaimer.html

Thanks to my main Jeff.

Cough, cough... Pwnd

[verticalSquare]

http://www.greyarea.nl/disclaimer.html

Thanks to my main Jeff.

[nolvanschaik]

http://www.vngmagazine.nl/nieuws/4091/g ... er-wietpas

"Het Besloten-club- en het Ingezetenencriterium gelden vanaf 1 mei 2012 in de gemeenten van de provincies Limburg, Noord-Brabant en Zeeland. Gemeenten elders mogen de criteria ook al toepassen. Vanaf 1 januari 2013 wordt het maximumaantal van tweeduizend leden van kracht en gelden de criteria overal in het land."

I hope you read Dutch, would make you shut up....

Where you from, Newt's Moon?