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Iko wrote:"Hockey.....it IS a fight on ice. "

I'd rather the fighting be done on the ice by two sober men than in the streets or stands by crouds of drunkards who think they have big dicks because they have " croud mentality ":roll:

So, you would rather the sober, paid proffessional sportsmen..and wimmin.. that are s'posed to be playing a 'game' to a high standard, fight each other, instead of drunk spectators?....erm....ok. But that sounds abit rediclulous to me. Does 'setting an example' mean anything to ya?. Ya do remember it's ice hockey yer talkin about, not actually a fighting sport as far as I know. However, I was at a fight once when an ice hockey game broke out!. 2 armadillos!?! Maybe they all just do have big dicks, but it's the first time I've ever heard that it matters what size yer penis is when punching somebody in the face!.

ok

whats wrong with like minded people going out &having a punch up in a empty car park, imo as long as they keep innocents out of it & they dont use blades & dont do it in public squares (like in euro2000) its all good. if people get a kick (literaly ) out of having a punch up with others after the same thing whats the problem.

How about the stereotype of Germans abroad (Hogging all the beach space/lounges with their towels and being right cunts) or the French, or the Irish (having to scraped off the pavement). What about stupid obnoxious loud-mouthed Yanks, Exceedingly dull and self-righteous Canadians, etc. Which stereotype do you think is acceptable to use?

Im just guessing but I dont think Ingwey was digging or insulting anyone, I believe he was simply listing stereotypes people use, some people cant swallow thier own stereotype but base their beliefs on others when none are politicaly correct and only cover a minority of the race or nationality in question.
For the record I dont even follow football at all, but I think its unfair to label them all, just because a small amount have been know to cause trouble, just as canadians shouldnt all be labeled as dull or self righteous just because a few can be, the same goes with other races and nationalities.

I'm not racist, I hate every mo-fo equally.

Peace.

DC wrote:North American sports?
Baseball...the crowd fall sleep and can't fight.
Run around in body armour ball....yer too busy tryin to work out why ya call it 'football' to fight.
Basketball...What is there to fight over?.
Hockey.....it IS a fight on ice.

Face it, the only thing that makes you guys fight is an Illegal war.

i dunno. we've had alot of the better boxers in history..ali, foreman, frasier, tyson(dude was a beast before he went all psycho/rapist), sugar ray lenard, joe lewis, marciano, mayweather, hollyfield, robinson, de la hoya, hopkins, jack johnson, dempsey,lamota,holmes, jones jr,etc.

imo the heat if rivalry in any sport can cause a fight. but it mostly comes down to the alcohol and not the nationality.

baseball if you understand the rules/game isn't that boaring. im a casual fan but lost alot of interest after several of my childhood fave players were accused/proven to have taken steroids. i still like my seatle mariners though. ill also catch games on tv during september or october..esp in the playoffs/pennant race.

basketball..eh sucks. to repetitive and to much scoring to the point that imo each basket doesn't mean much. fun to play though.

hockey..love it but dont watch as much as i used to. agree the fighting is a bit lame but i can see why its done.

football..only watch the college game really. maybe the superbowl. to showy. dunno why its called football either. but if players didn't wear the pads they would be getting seriously injured or killed. one guy playing for our local university team was paralyzed years back. never played it really.

Context
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Sarcasm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

Joke
1. something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells very funny jokes.
2. something that is amusing or ridiculous, esp. because of being ludicrously inadequate or a sham; a thing, situation, or person laughed at rather than taken seriously.
3. a matter that need not be taken very seriously; trifling matter: The loss was no joke.
4. something that does not present the expected challenge; something very easy: The test was a joke for the whole class.

Coma
1. a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person..,..as in, putting me in one

"..........and the highest form of intelligence."

DC wrote:Context
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Sarcasm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

Joke
1. something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells very funny jokes.
2. something that is amusing or ridiculous, esp. because of being ludicrously inadequate or a sham; a thing, situation, or person laughed at rather than taken seriously.
3. a matter that need not be taken very seriously; trifling matter: The loss was no joke.
4. something that does not present the expected challenge; something very easy: The test was a joke for the whole class.

Coma
1. a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person..,..as in, putting me in one

"..........and the highest form of intelligence."

you act as if its a given i was supposed to know you were being sarcastic. this is an internet forum, there are no tones of voice, facial expressions, etc that lead me to believe this. iv only met you in person 2-3 times and although i found you to be a cool/hospitable person i dont really know you nor do i know your sense of humor. i saw your statement and thought it may be sarcasm but also sensed a bit of seriousness. esp the bit about america only fighting in illegal wars. alot of people feel this way and have animosity towards america..so i thought id throw my 2 cents into the hat. sorry if i offended ya dave. none was meant. hope all is still good at the nes.

but if players didn't wear the pads they would be getting seriously injured or killed. one guy playing for our local university team was paralyzed years back. never played it really.[/quote]

No pads, yea it's called Rugby Uniuon a game for men not a bunch of pumped up bone heads running around with more armour on than the british troops in afghanistan, not that that would be very difficult.

And please lets stop calling it soccer, it's football a game played in the main using the feet hence the name. and it's played all over the world and everyone calls it football.

unlike that American game where the only time the feet are used is atkick off or when converting a touchdown,which correct me if i'm wrong here you dont even have to touch the ball down shouldnt it be called an acroos the line or something.

Nice Dreams wrote:but if players didn't wear the pads they would be getting seriously injured or killed. one guy playing for our local university team was paralyzed years back. never played it really.

No pads, yea it's called Rugby Uniuon a game for men not a bunch of pumped up bone heads running around with more armour on than the british troops in afghanistan, not that that would be very difficult.

And please lets stop calling it soccer, it's football a game played in the main using the feet hence the name. and it's played all over the world and everyone calls it football.

unlike that American game where the only time the feet are used is atkick off or when converting a touchdown,which correct me if i'm wrong here you dont even have to touch the ball down shouldnt it be called an acroos the line or something.[/quote]


im not even a big fan of american football but i'll defend it when ignorant statements are indeed made. first off nfl players arent "pumped up" as you so put it. if you did a bit of research you would know that its been a long tim since the 1980's when steroids were big in the nfl. this isn't major league baseball where up until a few years ago you got a slap on the wrist for steroid use(dont get me started) the nfl tests regularly and takes it seriously. the last big player who tested positvely got suspended for a 4th of the season..if i had my way dude would have been suspended for 2 full seasons.


2nd point. rugby is a good game..i dont know a ton about it but its fun to watch. your nfl gridiron football vs rugby league/union comparison isn't accurate for one main reason though. the reason is size. from what iv seen on tv(espn, sky sports,etc) the avg rugby player looks to be about 6'1 or so and about 200 pounds(forgive me for not using the metric system here..i cant help the unit of measurement that my country picked) and the largest ones seemed to be about 6'4 and maybe 260. the largest player iv seen was this australian thuggish looking player by the name of willie mason...he plays for the bulldogs/wallabys..someone correct me if im wrong as my knowledge on rugby is limited.

now was far as nfl..your avg player is about 6'2 and anywhere from 220-260 pounds(for conversions to metric system/stones google is your friend ). these guys can also run the 40 in a range of 4.3 to 6 seconds. try getting hit by one of these guys in the open field w/o pads and your getting injured..period.

rugby is a far more violent sport though..with the ear tugging/coliflower ear and steping on eachother with cleats though..and the scrum. nfl is just as dangerous though with or w/o the pads. shoot my good friend nearly broke an opponents neck at age 14 playing tackle football.

as far as the name i cant explain that..why its called football is still a mystery to me. but all the whining/bitching by the people in the uk and the rest of the world isnt going to change. its been called that for over 100 years and like it or not its not going to change.


once again not rying to start anyhting with you or dc..i just like a good bit of banter/ a good debate.

hey man it's all good fun just a bit of banter as you say.

and i'm not trying to say the players are taking steriods they just seem to do lots of weight training, and dont forget just because they dont get caught dose'nt mean they are'nt doing it at that applies to all sports.

Yes i would agree that on average the american football player is slightly bigger but there are some very big fast guys playign rugby aswell i wont name loads theres no point but just take a look at this guy Jonah Lomu 6'5 and 276lbs and very fast dont know his exact figuers for the 100 meters but he was quick and very powerfull.

fighting over sport is a bit silly but nothing wrong with drunken sing a longs - if people mistake that for violence or thuggery then they need to get out a bit more. Football violence is best left back in the 80's with the mullets and 'tach's

cantona7 wrote:

DC wrote:Context
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Sarcasm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

Joke
1. something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells very funny jokes.
2. something that is amusing or ridiculous, esp. because of being ludicrously inadequate or a sham; a thing, situation, or person laughed at rather than taken seriously.
3. a matter that need not be taken very seriously; trifling matter: The loss was no joke.
4. something that does not present the expected challenge; something very easy: The test was a joke for the whole class.

Coma
1. a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person..,..as in, putting me in one

"..........and the highest form of intelligence."

you act as if its a given i was supposed to know you were being sarcastic. this is an internet forum, there are no tones of voice, facial expressions, etc that lead me to believe this. iv only met you in person 2-3 times and although i found you to be a cool/hospitable person i dont really know you nor do i know your sense of humor. i saw your statement and thought it may be sarcasm but also sensed a bit of seriousness. esp the bit about america only fighting in illegal wars. alot of people feel this way and have animosity towards america..so i thought id throw my 2 cents into the hat. sorry if i offended ya dave. none was meant. hope all is still good at the nes.

(<----Laughing smiley.)

"Fuck you , you fucking fuck fuck" Language type A.
"Buddy, pal, gee wizz, bloomin hell" Language type B.

....deffinate tones involved here.

No offence taken, but when somebody laughs after saying something generally it isn't serious, probably sarcastic..if not, it's a deffinate insult. People know when I'm deffinately insulting them. As for 'context', that's more to do with yer reply to Ingwey's post than mine, which you've still missed. In between reading/listening and replying, think abit more mate, otherwise ya might find yerself taking onboard some information and then saying something totally inappropriate eg. 'cousin'.

DC wrote:

cantona7 wrote:

DC wrote:Context
1. the parts of a written or spoken statement that precede or follow a specific word or passage, usually influencing its meaning or effect.
2. the set of circumstances or facts that surround a particular event, situation, etc.

Sarcasm
1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
2. a sharply ironical taunt; sneering or cutting remark: a review full of sarcasms.

Joke
1. something said or done to provoke laughter or cause amusement, as a witticism, a short and amusing anecdote, or a prankish act: He tells very funny jokes.
2. something that is amusing or ridiculous, esp. because of being ludicrously inadequate or a sham; a thing, situation, or person laughed at rather than taken seriously.
3. a matter that need not be taken very seriously; trifling matter: The loss was no joke.
4. something that does not present the expected challenge; something very easy: The test was a joke for the whole class.

Coma
1. a state of prolonged unconsciousness, including a lack of response to stimuli, from which it is impossible to rouse a person..,..as in, putting me in one

"..........and the highest form of intelligence."

you act as if its a given i was supposed to know you were being sarcastic. this is an internet forum, there are no tones of voice, facial expressions, etc that lead me to believe this. iv only met you in person 2-3 times and although i found you to be a cool/hospitable person i dont really know you nor do i know your sense of humor. i saw your statement and thought it may be sarcasm but also sensed a bit of seriousness. esp the bit about america only fighting in illegal wars. alot of people feel this way and have animosity towards america..so i thought id throw my 2 cents into the hat. sorry if i offended ya dave. none was meant. hope all is still good at the nes.

(<----Laughing smiley.)

"Fuck you , you fucking fuck fuck" Language type A.
"Buddy, pal, gee wizz, bloomin hell" Language type B.

....deffinate tones involved here.

No offence taken, but when somebody laughs after saying something generally it isn't serious, probably sarcastic..if not, it's a deffinate insult. People know when I'm deffinately insulting them. As for 'context', that's more to do with yer reply to Ingwey's post than mine, which you've still missed. In between reading/listening and replying, think abit more mate, otherwise ya might find yerself taking onboard some information and then saying something totally inappropriate eg. 'cousin'.

point taken dc..not sure what you meant by the cousin bit but no worries/no need to explain.


nice dreams: agreed steroids can be used in all sports and jusr because they aren't caught doesn't mean they arent doing it. iv always said i think american sports..esp baseball should take a cue from football and have harsher stance on not just performance enhancing drugs but all drugs(except mj haha). right now in baseball your first offense i believe is a 50 game suspension. may seem harsh but there are 162 games a season. in football if you test positive for a drug..or even miss a drug test your suspended for a long period of time no matter your star status..see rio ferdinand, adrian mutu and most recently paddy kenny.

Im just guessing but I dont think Ingwey was digging or insulting anyone, I believe he was simply listing stereotypes people use, some people cant swallow thier own stereotype but base their beliefs on others when none are politicaly correct and only cover a minority of the race or nationality in question.
For the record I dont even follow football at all, but I think its unfair to label them all, just because a small amount have been know to cause trouble, just as canadians shouldnt all be labeled as dull or self righteous just because a few can be, the same goes with other races and nationalities.

BING BING BING ..... you ARE correct!!

As you correctly noted, I WAS listing stereotypes AND doing so to illustrate that all ethnicities / nationalities are not immune to being stereotyped.

People seem to be AOK when stereotyping other nationalities, but when stereotypes of their own particluar ethnicitie's/nationalitie's are used they become incensed.

so its not ok for someone to attack your travelers but its ok for you to call canadians dull/self rightious, americans stupid and obnoxious or attack the germans and french? doesn't seem cool to me.
iv been traveling alot since i was a little kid and i havent really noticed one group of tourists who were worse than the other. except maybe japanese tourists who are loud in and or take pictures in in appropriate places. thats not a huge deal though.
you guys ned to smoke a j..do a vape..bong hit or w/e and calm down..this is the internet people. not that big of a deal.

First, I was using those stereotype to make a point ABOUT stereotypes (see above!!). Second, I am NOT English, nor am I a particularly big fan of football.

Regarding what's cool: IMO, a lack of reading comprehension is NOT cool.

What sport creates riots on a regular basis like football ( soccer ) ?
None that are played in North America that i can think of .
Part of that i think is do to the fact in North America sports ( lets use baseball as the example ) teams travel massive distances for games and have in many cases long seasons ( 162 games for baseball ) so it is unusual to have the visiting fans be more than 2% ( if that )of the attendance .
The other possible difference is , it is not socially acceptable to go to any professional sporting match wasted ( drunk ) , you probobly would not get in , and if you did they either would not serve you or cut you off quickly.
As for the dig at canadians ...... hmm i find that insulting but also very interesting .
Why is it do you think that is felt ?
Most polls and people that i come in contact seem to think we are a pretty great bunch , very much the peacekeepers and not really hated by anyone .
Please elaborate , im very curios to hear more.

Really IKO?!?!
If you claim to live in BC, then you must either be VERY young and/or have a poor memory! You do NOT recall the Vancouver 1994 Stanley Cup Riots? How about basketball riots, or baseball riots.... Maybe those were all a conspiracy of the media to sell fishwrap?

The distance factor does act as a violence moderator (but NOT eliminator), unless there is a "subway series" playoff.

You might not get into GM place pissed, BUT there are bars inside and there is nothing to stop you from getting completely shitfaced once inside. (However, at the fucking outragous prices for, at best, crappy beer and the long queues for the pissers, I would't buy one beer in that shithole!)

There was no dig at Canadians? Those are SOME of the stereotypes of Canadians!! Have you NEVER heard those stereotypes before?? Next time you stereotype someone else's nationality (or you hear your media, TV show, whatever doing so) you can realize that Canadians can also be stereotyped in an equally cruel manner! (In my opinion, if you are going to dish it out, then should be prepared to get some back! )

The polls you are reading are for you own (Canadian) consumption, so they are feel good bullshit (i.e. propaganda or mental masturbation!).

Finally, I am Canadian. However, I able to explore, analyse, and laugh at the foibles/shortcomings/stereotypes of my countrymen and countrywomen.