Opium Hash

[Marco]

I am no fan of internet pissing contests, but I would have to say Spiders post is spot-on. I wouldn't argue that LSD is a living organism, however refuting that claim by saying it couldn't live on blotter paper is a thin argument. How does a flu virus live on a doorknob?, but I digress. There are a million ways to communicate with people, and I don't know a soul who wants to deal with someone who only has confrontation in his conversational toolbox. Does he offer his European advice in the Form of "Hey asswipe, here is a cool place to go and have fun, hope you choke to death"? Perhaps he could save the time of posting here and publish a "Dickweed's Guide to European Destinations."

"Internet bad asses" are a dime a thousand, they come as cheap as ice in Antarctica. I don't really give a flip about marco one way or the other. I find indifference towards that type to be quite enjoyable. I will agree he does not sound like he is 40, but perhaps chronologically he is.

Before I forget, his impressive French was in the neighborhood of "Nevermind, hypocrisy is alive in you old mind." (brain, whichever). Maybe one day he will entertain the board with differential equations to further impress.

That being said, I return now to indifference.

Thanks for the attention, next time use something besides Babelfish for your translation, that is not what I wrote at all.

The reason I find this topic silly is the it perpetuates drug stereotypes which are incorrect. LSD eats your spinal fluid (which I reacted to), X contains heroin, maryjane makes your sterile, etc. All mostly bullshit. Please visit www.bluelight.ru for some information on these myths (and if you think I am dick, don't go there, its a tough place).

I highly doubt opium-laced hash is out there, being sold as normal hash. With the cost of hash at X$ per gram and the cost of opium at x10$X per gram, it would make no sense. For that same reason, cocaine is not laced with meth, and X is not laced with heroin. It is not cost effective. We all know the drug business is one of the most effective and brutal businesses out there, they do not give away anything for free.

I have a question for anyone who may know. Why can't you simply obtain some heroin and mix it with hash to create the same effect? Do heroin and opium have similar effects when smoked? Can heroin be smoked in combination with hash?

If anyone really does have a source for real opium in Amsterdam, I would love to hear from you. Opiates are not my thing (too scared of addiction) but I would like to try it once.

For those who don't like me, ignore me. I am doing the same to you.

[Marco]

Now my real post... Ive heard the term Laced since the 70s, rarely, but occasionally it is a truism. I have had a hit from a pcp (angel dust) laced Joint once, and would not ever want to repeat that experience. I had never heard of opiated hash before, but I have some of both and am not even mildly interested in mixing them. Opium is like sugar, and has that beautiful aroma, but I love the smell of a great Polm too. There are tons of really nice, black, sticky hashes out there, but why the hell anyone would want opium in it is beyond me.

Whoever said Opium is non addicting is way off, it was the scourge of China in the mid to late 19th century. Of course it had been used prior, but not in such numbers. It is less addictive than Morphine (the next step), and morphine is less addictive than Heroin (the last step). Any opiate can be addictive if used frequently enough.

Ive grown away from opium more and more lately. I bought an ounce of it in early summer, and it may be half gone at best, Id rather now I had put that money on some good Polm instead, but such is life (C'est la vie for marco), albeit loosely translated. Mais il est plein de merde, donc quelle importance? That was for our friend's enjoyment.

In all seriousness, I have no idea what you are saying in French. Stick to l'anglais and keep the peasants happy.

[Adamster]

Now my real post... Ive heard the term Laced since the 70s, rarely, but occasionally it is a truism. I have had a hit from a pcp (angel dust) laced Joint once, and would not ever want to repeat that experience. I had never heard of opiated hash before, but I have some of both and am not even mildly interested in mixing them. Opium is like sugar, and has that beautiful aroma, but I love the smell of a great Polm too. There are tons of really nice, black, sticky hashes out there, but why the hell anyone would want opium in it is beyond me.

Whoever said Opium is non addicting is way off, it was the scourge of China in the mid to late 19th century. Of course it had been used prior, but not in such numbers. It is less addictive than Morphine (the next step), and morphine is less addictive than Heroin (the last step). Any opiate can be addictive if used frequently enough.

Ive grown away from opium more and more lately. I bought an ounce of it in early summer, and it may be half gone at best, Id rather now I had put that money on some good Polm instead, but such is life (C'est la vie for marco), albeit loosely translated. Mais il est plein de merde, donc quelle importance? That was for our friend's enjoyment.

In all seriousness, I have no idea what you are saying in French. Stick to l'anglais and keep the peasants happy.

its life of marco... but he's full of shit.. so what importence?

[Marco]

Now my real post... Ive heard the term Laced since the 70s, rarely, but occasionally it is a truism. I have had a hit from a pcp (angel dust) laced Joint once, and would not ever want to repeat that experience. I had never heard of opiated hash before, but I have some of both and am not even mildly interested in mixing them. Opium is like sugar, and has that beautiful aroma, but I love the smell of a great Polm too. There are tons of really nice, black, sticky hashes out there, but why the hell anyone would want opium in it is beyond me.

Whoever said Opium is non addicting is way off, it was the scourge of China in the mid to late 19th century. Of course it had been used prior, but not in such numbers. It is less addictive than Morphine (the next step), and morphine is less addictive than Heroin (the last step). Any opiate can be addictive if used frequently enough.

Ive grown away from opium more and more lately. I bought an ounce of it in early summer, and it may be half gone at best, Id rather now I had put that money on some good Polm instead, but such is life (C'est la vie for marco), albeit loosely translated. Mais il est plein de merde, donc quelle importance? That was for our friend's enjoyment.

In all seriousness, I have no idea what you are saying in French. Stick to l'anglais and keep the peasants happy.

its life of marco... but he's full of shit.. so what importence?

Unfortunately that is not what he wrote, but thanks for the traslation It also shows he did not return to indifference, so double fail for him.

[millweed]

we used to get temple ball (1980)_ we used to call it xmas pud given the kind of sickly sweet aroma,as i understand it,when the Shah of Iran fell so did our decent hash as the route went through Iran.

[CannaSir]

I dont think it's likely that dope producers would use such an expensive substance to 'lace' hash - certainly not in today's profit-centred times! It's a fact that whilst weed has gotten stronger (higher % THC) due to the efforts of commercial growers, the availability of high quality import hash has declined badly over the last 20 years. Dutch producers prefer to make isolators and charge enormous sums for the product (50 or more euros/g!!) rather than make what could be some awesome regular hashes from their super strength weed.

Real Nep Temple Ball, like real Durban Poison, the best african sensi and the best thai weed are now the holy grail of the older stoners in amsterdam precisely because they had that pure, ultra-sativa taste and effect that is now incredibly rare.

I think the mythology of opiated hash has in part sprung up from the 'pot-of-nostalgia' about how cannabis was just 'better' in the 'old days'!

Of course, there is bound to have been some hash with opium in it simply cos it can be done! I've had opium at source in the Golden Triangle and am pretty sure I'd recognise the effect if i smoked some now - I remain open to the possibility that i might chance upon some - in which case will post the report here!!!

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Real Nep Temple Ball, like real Durban Poison, the best african sensi and the best thai weed are now the holy grail of the older stoners in amsterdam precisely because they had that pure, ultra-sativa taste and effect that is now incredibly rare.

Are Temple Balls made from Sativa plants?

[happydaze777]

I dont think it's likely that dope producers would use such an expensive substance to 'lace' hash - certainly not in today's profit-centred times! It's a fact that whilst weed has gotten stronger (higher % THC) due to the efforts of commercial growers, the availability of high quality import hash has declined badly over the last 20 years. Dutch producers prefer to make isolators and charge enormous sums for the product (50 or more euros/g!!) rather than make what could be some awesome regular hashes from their super strength weed.

Real Nep Temple Ball, like real Durban Poison, the best african sensi and the best thai weed are now the holy grail of the older stoners in amsterdam precisely because they had that pure, ultra-sativa taste and effect that is now incredibly rare.

I think the mythology of opiated hash has in part sprung up from the 'pot-of-nostalgia' about how cannabis was just 'better' in the 'old days'!

Of course, there is bound to have been some hash with opium in it simply cos it can be done! I've had opium at source in the Golden Triangle and am pretty sure I'd recognise the effect if i smoked some now - I remain open to the possibility that i might chance upon some - in which case will post the report here!!!

Really like your well thought out post, thank you!

I really miss the good quality import hash and weed, not only in Amsterdam (where the difference between the early 90's and now is dramatic!), but the uk market too.

I do however believe in older 'opium laced hash', and also (more recently) traveller (or gipsy (as some English/Irish might call them)) hash called Gak. I have personally experience with smoking the ridiculously cheap 'made up' product that is Gak. A mixture of soapbar (not even hash!), barbs and smack. There are obviously lots of other additives added to this solid as it averaged out at £20/25 an Oz in the 90's... (Same price as cheap African weed (full of twig and seed) or SWAG as it’s now known (I really loved smoking SWAG in pure joints, at 30 quid an OZ, it was very happy daze!) *deep sigh*

[millweed]

i'm afraid "swag" means not real

[millweed]

I dont think it's likely that dope producers would use such an expensive substance to 'lace' hash - certainly not in today's profit-centred times! It's a fact that whilst weed has gotten stronger (higher % THC) due to the efforts of commercial growers, the availability of high quality import hash has declined badly over the last 20 years. Dutch producers prefer to make isolators and charge enormous sums for the product (50 or more euros/g!!) rather than make what could be some awesome regular hashes from their super strength weed.

Real Nep Temple Ball, like real Durban Poison, the best african sensi and the best thai weed are now the holy grail of the older stoners in amsterdam precisely because they had that pure, ultra-sativa taste and effect that is now incredibly rare.

I think the mythology of opiated hash has in part sprung up from the 'pot-of-nostalgia' about how cannabis was just 'better' in the 'old days'!

Of course, there is bound to have been some hash with opium in it simply cos it can be done! I've had opium at source in the Golden Triangle and am pretty sure I'd recognise the effect if i smoked some now - I remain open to the possibility that i might chance upon some - in which case will post the report here!!!

i don't it's nostalgia, more like the visible white substance that ran through it,i'm not ruling out opium at all

[CannaSir]

Sir Niall - my understanding is that Temple Ball is sativa-derived - this is based on what i have been told and on smoking the stuff which produces an intense head-high and leaves my body free to function normally! 9/10 coffeeshops in my experience say they have temple ball but what they hand over seems more like an Afghan hash - which is a heavy indica based on the effect.

However, I'm very open to being corrected on this - i just wanna find the REAL temple ball! (it should come in a pack labelled with the 'Cools the head. Blows the mind'-sticker. It should not be ultra squidgy like the afghan and should not have that sweet afghan perfume either - it should smell lethally strong when warmed in the fingers!

Aaaaarrrrggghhhhhh - makin me really want some now!!!

Peace!

[baked]

greenhouse's temple balls sound like your discription!

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Sir Niall - my understanding is that Temple Ball is sativa-derived - this is based on what i have been told and on smoking the stuff which produces an intense head-high and leaves my body free to function normally! 9/10 coffeeshops in my experience say they have temple ball but what they hand over seems more like an Afghan hash - which is a heavy indica based on the effect.

However, I'm very open to being corrected on this - i just wanna find the REAL temple ball! (it should come in a pack labelled with the 'Cools the head. Blows the mind'-sticker. It should not be ultra squidgy like the afghan and should not have that sweet afghan perfume either - it should smell lethally strong when warmed in the fingers!

Aaaaarrrrggghhhhhh - makin me really want some now!!!



Peace!

I would of assumed it was a Indica hash, Indicas being associated with the mountainous regions the hash comes from. Hindu Kush etc. The temple i score from Stix is definantly indica based, so was the one i scored from Willie Wortels.

[CannaSir]

Sir Niall, you're probably right! I'm just a confused old stoner!!

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Sir Niall, you're probably right! I'm just a confused old stoner!!

I'm hoping hasjdreamer or Boner could help us out on this.