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LATIN AMERICA ON ITS WAY TO LEGALIZING DRUGS

Posted: Tue 11th Aug 2009 06:36 am
by Puffin13
LATIN AMERICA ON ITS WAY TO LEGALIZING DRUGS
10 August 2009

BUENOS AIRES - Latin America is headed towards the decriminalization of drug possession for personal consumption, according to experts and officials who took part in a regional conference in Buenos Aires.

Those attending the 1st Latin American Conference on Drug Policy, which ended Friday, also said that legislative reforms are being designed to give smaller sentences "to small traffickers, and to create policies that minimize harm" by encouraging addicts who can’t quit to come into the health system.

They also warned that the war on drugs "did not achieve its goal," since Bolivia, Peru and Colombia, which together produce all the cocaine in the world, "could not manage in 10 years to reduce the area under cultivation," according to a communique released at the end of the meeting, sponsored by the Pan-American Health Organization.

Brazilian lawmaker Paulo Teixeira said that his country’s current anti-drug law "increases the harm to users, because once in jail they get involved with organized crime."

The legislator, originator of Brazil’s first bill to "reduce the harm" of drug consumption, presented a study saying that 84 percent of those sentenced between 2006-2008 for drug possession in that country were not armed and 50 percent of those convicted for marijuana trafficking had less than 100 grams (1/2 ounce) of the substance.

Teixeira said that the ruling Workers Party will submit a bill next month that establishes "a democratic model" for drugs, with the legalization of consumption, alternative penalties for small-scale drug dealing, the inclusion of a strategy for harm reduction and authorization for growing and marketing marijuana in small quantities.

For her part, Ecuador’s deputy planning secretary, Michelle Artieda, said that her country is in the process of debating a drug bill that modifies the current legislation, which dates back to 1992 and "violates the principle of legality."

During the meeting, organized by the Argentine association Intercambios, the Ecuadorian official said that many of those detained in her country on drug charges "were carrying less than 2 kilos (4 1/2 pounds)" of narcotics.

Artieda also spoke about Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa’s decision to pardon 2,221 people who were arrested for carrying small amounts of drugs and those known as "mules."

Dionicio Nunez Tangara, coordinador of the Bolivian Coca and Sovereignty organization, regretted that under his country’s existing legislation, "coca-leaf growers are the same as drug traffickers," and went into detail about the Evo Morales government’s initiative to industrialize the growing of that plant.

Bolivian law permits the cultivation of 12,000 hectares (29,629 acres) of coca for legal traditional uses, and a similar arrangement prevails in neighboring Peru.

Bolivian President Evo Morales, an Aymara Indian who rose to prominence as the leader of a coca-growers union, came to office in January 2006 pledging to redirect anti-drug efforts from coca eradication to cocaine interdiction.

Meanwhile Peruvian expert Hugo Cabieses warned that "under the pretext of a war on drugs, the borders of the region’s countries are being militarized."

"In 1992 the hectares (acres) of coca grown in Peru, Bolivia and Colombia were 11,500 (28,395), but by 2004 they had been reduced to 11,000 (27,160). These plans (to militarize borders) do not expand democracy, they restrict it," he said.

The Argentine government defended Thursday the legalization of drug possession for personal consumption and said that it awaits "almost impatiently" a verdict by the Supreme Court that would make criminal punishment for a drug user unconstitutional.

Legislative reforms in the matter of drug use sparked controversy in several Latin American countries, the region that leads the world in cocaine production.

The conference, held at the seat of the Argentine Congress, was also sponsored by the British and Dutch Embassies in Buenos Aires, as well as by the Latin American Initiative on Drugs and Democracy.

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Posted: Tue 11th Aug 2009 03:42 pm
by spidergawd
Well that seems like a good sign on a global level. Here in the UK we seem to have painted ourselves into a corner with respect to acceptance of personal consumption, any politician attempting to even raise the subject in a positive light will get their heads bitten off by the mob and none of them have the balls to make a stand. If they do then they are on their own and their parties will hang them out to dry. Its crazy really, as the UK is absolutely awash with all kinds of narcotics much of which is a load of crap, and so another generation hits the streets.
When our kids were in their teens, my wife and I who have always smoked the herb told them obviously about the dangers of street dealers they didn't know, and until they got hooked up with their own crowd we looked after them with a bit of puff now and then and I think now that was the right approach as they have survived into adulthood with only one of the three of them actually who still is a smoker funnily enough. Its like reverse rebellion I think :D

Posted: Tue 11th Aug 2009 07:29 pm
by sh@dy
spidergawd wrote:Well that seems like a good sign on a global level. Here in the UK we seem to have painted ourselves into a corner with respect to acceptance of personal consumption, any politician attempting to even raise the subject in a positive light will get their heads bitten off by the mob and none of them have the balls to make a stand. If they do then they are on their own and their parties will hang them out to dry. Its crazy really, as the UK is absolutely awash with all kinds of narcotics much of which is a load of crap, and so another generation hits the streets.
When our kids were in their teens, my wife and I who have always smoked the herb told them obviously about the dangers of street dealers they didn't know, and until they got hooked up with their own crowd we looked after them with a bit of puff now and then and I think now that was the right approach as they have survived into adulthood with only one of the three of them actually who still is a smoker funnily enough. Its like reverse rebellion I think :D
thank you very much for doing this to your children, every good parent should do this....."but you have to remember the kids" ....the politicians got that one wrong.

I hope they can make it in time,every day in the war on drugs is a day with too many victims...like in every war :(

Posted: Tue 11th Aug 2009 09:08 pm
by Kingdoc
Uncle sam will like that.

Posted: Wed 12th Aug 2009 07:10 am
by sh@dy
Kingdoc wrote:Uncle sam will like that.
this is not like when single countries like jamaica consider to legalize....if a big part of latin america legalizes, not even uncle sam can do anything ;)

Posted: Wed 12th Aug 2009 11:13 am
by doobydave
I'm going to enjoy watching the ol' USA losing it's grip on worldwide selective-drug prohibition.

And then, maybe 15 years after, the UK will have it's own revelation...

Posted: Wed 12th Aug 2009 11:57 am
by echc1
and when the uk does,pigs will fly without helicopters :lol:

Posted: Wed 12th Aug 2009 07:06 pm
by Kingdoc
sh@dy wrote:
Kingdoc wrote:Uncle sam will like that.
this is not like when single countries like jamaica consider to legalize....if a big part of latin america legalizes, not even uncle sam can do anything ;)


Yea we need a colective effort on this shady.

Posted: Thu 13th Aug 2009 11:56 pm
by cantona7
call me lame or not but personally im not for the decriminalization or legalization of all drugs at all. grass/hash would be great..maybe mushrooms....but other drugs..no. i plan to have kids some day and i dont like the idea of my teenage son/daughter being able to freely go out and buy an 8 ball of coke..a few crack rocks and a balloon of heroin..or some meth. if they are of an appropriate age and want to go out and buy an ounce of weed or hash thats different. would rather have them do that than drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. just my.2 cents.

Posted: Fri 14th Aug 2009 12:20 am
by Kingdoc
cantona7 wrote:call me lame or not but personally im not for the decriminalization or legalization of all drugs at all. grass/hash would be great..maybe mushrooms....but other drugs..no. i plan to have kids some day and i dont like the idea of my teenage son/daughter being able to freely go out and buy an 8 ball of coke..a few crack rocks and a balloon of heroin..or some meth. if they are of an appropriate age and want to go out and buy an ounce of weed or hash thats different. would rather have them do that than drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. just my.2 cents.


I agree with you! heroin & coke isnt safe at all.

Posted: Fri 14th Aug 2009 01:11 am
by doobydave
Kingdoc wrote:
Cantona7 wrote:]call me lame or not but personally im not for the decriminalization or legalization of all drugs at all. grass/hash would be great..maybe mushrooms....but other drugs..no. i plan to have kids some day and i dont like the idea of my teenage son/daughter being able to freely go out and buy an 8 ball of coke..a few crack rocks and a balloon of heroin..or some meth. if they are of an appropriate age and want to go out and buy an ounce of weed or hash thats different. would rather have them do that than drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. just my.2 cents.



I agree with you! heroin & coke isnt safe at all.
That doesn't mean to say that less overall harm occurs from the prohibition of them.

@Cantona7 - Not sure where you live but teenage sons/daughters already have access to coke. smack and meth, assuming they have the cash.

Posted: Fri 14th Aug 2009 01:35 am
by cantona7
i live in seattle and its easy enough to get here in its illegal form..i cant imagine how easy it would be to get if it was made legal. would probably be cheaper as well making it more accessible to the younger crowd.

Posted: Fri 14th Aug 2009 03:19 am
by Ingwey Gooblebogger
this is not like when single countries like jamaica consider to legalize....if a big part of latin america legalizes, not even uncle sam can do anything
To some extent, I disagree. When the one country is the neighborhood bully, then not much happens without the bully's consent.

This is Uncle Sam's "backyard". The Yank government has bloodstained hands regarding virtually every country in South America and Latin America. If this legislation passes, this will not go unpunished by the Yanks.

Recently, Colombia has allowed the Yanks to have seven bases in Colombia. (They were kicked out, if memory serves, by Bolivia?). If you think the Yanks are not going to be destabilising other SA countries from those bases, then you've got a much more pleasant view of real politic than I do.

On the other hand, some of those SA countries do have leaders with the balls to tell the US to Feck off. So who knows?

If they do decrim/legalize, then their tourism industry might really benefit.
Winter Vacation: A choice between cold wet Holland and warm sunny Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina, and so on......hmmmm, Pack the suntan lotion.

Posted: Fri 14th Aug 2009 10:35 am
by Sir Niall of Essex-sire
cantona7 wrote:call me lame or not but personally im not for the decriminalization or legalization of all drugs at all. grass/hash would be great..maybe mushrooms....but other drugs..no. i plan to have kids some day and i dont like the idea of my teenage son/daughter being able to freely go out and buy an 8 ball of coke..a few crack rocks and a balloon of heroin..or some meth. if they are of an appropriate age and want to go out and buy an ounce of weed or hash thats different. would rather have them do that than drink alcohol or smoke tobacco. just my.2 cents.
I agree with you, im not passing judgement on people but im reminded of a comment left to me on the board saying a crack addiction is the same as an addiction to jaffa cakes. I find this attitude rather worrying, legalising all drugs is not a good idea. Cannabis should be legalised because its realitivily unharmful to the person and society. Drugs with more potential dangers should stay prohibited, some people unfortantly need to be saved from themselves at times.

Posted: Fri 14th Aug 2009 12:19 pm
by doobydave
SirNiall wrote:... im not passing judgement on people...
Yes, you are. You want the users and traders of some chemicals to be criminalised, with all the negative implications that you know come with it.

Legalisation is the least bad solution.

Prohibition :-
is super-dooper expensive,
enables gangs to have incomes significantly higher than many countries' GDP,
INCREASES availability to minors,
is THE reason for fatal overdoses,
forces unfortunate addicts into criminal behaviour, creating victims of both drug-users and non-drug users

Please educate yourselves on this issue, as opinions aren't really relevant in comparison to evidence and logical argument.

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php LEAP - Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
http://www.tdpf.org.uk/ Transform Drug Policy Foundation
http://www.drugsense.org/html/ Excellent resource - "Moving the drug debate from insanity to humanity"
http://www.encod.org/info/-English-en-.html - European Coalition for Just and Effective Drug Policies (ENCOD)


ARTICLES/BLOGS
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displa ... d=13237193 The Economist article entitled "Legalisation, the least bad solution"
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 ... czars.html New Scientist comment article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7557708.stm Britain's policy of being tough on drugs is "pointless", says a former civil servant who once ran the Cabinet's anti-drugs unit.
http://transform-drugs.blogspot.com/200 ... ug-co.html Blog regarding Julian Critchley, mentioned above.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... l#comments BBC's Mark Easton on drug prohibition

AUDIO/VIDEO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/ne ... 557867.stm Julian Critchley interview on Radio 4


Again, I invite anyone to illustrate a positive consequence of drug prohibition.