Do YOU use tobacco?

[Kingdoc]

NO,But if you have to use silk cut (lights) or some low tar cigs that like.

[bleak]

Definitely without tobacco if I can avoid it. However, if a tobacco joint is passed to me, I will always take a hit

In Australia you can buy a mixer called 'Dacca' from some headshops, which I sometimes add a sprinkle to a joint. I don't know what plant its from, but the stuff just looks like dried leaves and flowers. The smell and taste are completely neutral. WAY better than tobacco.

[Jesscass]

A little bit offtopic but this whole thing reminded me on the following:

To cut a long story short, personally I started with eating hash but found this not pleaseant enough(today I do due to right dosage)so I searched for other methods of consuming.
As I never smoked tobacco I refused my pals to join that thing as I was never attracted by tobacco and looked for an other way to get high.

I started to smoke pure because of the fact that I read that the effects of nicotine are pushed by thc while nicotine on the other side is reducing the effect of thc.
Further, why should I smoke tobacco, a drug with such a ridiculous effect(my humble opinion and I'm just only talking about the acute effects)?
I'm looking for a clean and fast way(pleaseant enough though)to get high, I'm not that much into taste so I can only give this following point of view.
Not saying tobacco is poison in general but 'modern consuming' of it is often nothing more than dependance, more or less without much effect. Not my idea of enjoyment.

I read some posts here where was stated that smoking tobacco is
1. more effective
2. lasts longer

I know these arguements way too well(I'm an human individual born and living in so called Europe that's why I can confirm that almost all Europeans use tobacco).

First case:
when you smoke pure you feel effects after 1-3 minutes I would say. If you smoke with tobacco you feel effects
almost immediately.
But it's nothing else than nicotine pushed by thc. After the mentioned 1-3 minutes the thc will kick in(better: nicotine dominates/covers the effect of thc at that moment. Later thc becomes more dominant.).
Additionally, most of tobaccos contain ammonia which is added because it boosts the impact of nicotine.
As it does with thc in that case. So you will have a different high than without tobacco. More intense but on the other
hand reduced.
So it's not more effective, it's just a different high. But there are probably less circulation problems with smoking pure than with tobacco(not saying smoking pure cannot cause a whitey. It's a matter of dosage again.)
For pharmaceutical reasons it's adviseable to smoke pure. Personally I don't mix drugs.

Second case:
here I wanna use a comparison with alcohol.
I know this argument too well and I can't really understand.
According to Paracelsus saying "All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous", I can't understand people saying drinking cocktails(e.g. vodka&orange juice)lasts longer than drinking pure(e.g.vodka).

Example: if you drink 2cl of vodka mixed with orange juice you won't get the same effects(it's watering down alcohol)as with drinking 2cl of vodka pure. Pure is stronger in this case(no waterin down effect for example). On the other hand you can find your individual dosage of drinking pure equal to drinking mixed(means: same effect both but different amounts).
Cocktails seem to be a more pleaseant way to consume but nothing more. Please don't tell me it's not that enjoyable to drink pure as this is only a matter of tradition or personal taste.
The same with smoking weed or hash: it's a matter of dosage and you can use e.g. tobacco substitute to roll a joint(or roll a smaller one). You can also smoke it in a pipe or whatever.
All I wanna say is you can smoke the same amount of weed or hash pure you're consuming with tobacco without wasting more.
Another common thing is that people argue joints respectively cocktails are more social. But this is again only tradition and you can learn to share other methods of consuming like you learnt your current 'social' method of consuming.
If you roll a pure joint with the same amount of weed/hash you would use to roll one with weed/hash *and* tobacco while also replacing the amount of tobacco with weed/hash this is an other story as it would blow you away if you don't have a high tolerance.

"All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous(Paracelsus)"

Just my two cents, hope I didn't offend somebody(in my exeprience sometimes people get pissed because of this point of view.)

[puffpuffgive]

interesting post, thanks. There's some interesting research into this subject like this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18855154

[darkglobe]

Some interesting points there Jesscass...

I quit the baccy about 10 years ago,or i should say,the baccy gave up me...after smoking baccy all day,by about 9pm,my throat hurt so much that i just couldn't smoke anymore,so i gave up.
Now i use dope leaf as a baccy substitute,mixed with bud and/or hash,or pure in a pipe.But i find that i smoke far fewer spliffs now,than when i used baccy and came to the conclusion that it was the Tobacco hit that i craved,not the Cannabis...Now i'm happy with 2 or 3 spliffs a day (depending on the strength of what i'm smoking)...whereas i must've smoked 12 to 15 a day with baccy...plus the odd roll up in between...

Smoking pure is so much sweeter...

[Boner]

NO,But if you have to use silk cut (lights) or some low tar cigs that like.

It's been proven that low tar aren't less harmful than regular ciggies: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/lowtar

[Pauli Wallnuts]

NO,But if you have to use silk cut (lights) or some low tar cigs that like.

It's been proven that low tar aren't less harmful than regular ciggies: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/lowtar

silk cut is exactly the same baccy as b&h the only difference is the holes in the filter

[happydaze777]

NO,But if you have to use silk cut (lights) or some low tar cigs that like.

It's been proven that low tar aren't less harmful than regular ciggies: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/lowtar

wasn't it proved that nicotine addicts unconsciously inhale more deeply when smoking 'low tar' ciggies?

I am so lucky that tobac has NEVER sat well with me. I have had enough addictions without this devious little bastard! I am and have always been a pipe/bong/vapour/pure spliff man. My weed (when smoked through a pipe) goes so much further than my spliff smoking friends. I put this down partly to them confusing there nicotine addiction to wanting a 'toot' and secondly as so much of the spliff goes up in smoke, without ever been smoked... If you know what I mean?

I must have been one of the only people really happy with the dutch smoking ban . Feels great to have cig smokers feel a bit of what I go through every time I want to smoke in the uk…

[Boner]

NO,But if you have to use silk cut (lights) or some low tar cigs that like.

It's been proven that low tar aren't less harmful than regular ciggies: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/lowtar

wasn't it proved that nicotine addicts unconsciously inhale more deeply when smoking 'low tar' ciggies?

I honestly dont know.

I must have been one of the only people really happy with the dutch smoking ban . Feels great to have cig smokers feel a bit of what I go through every time I want to smoke in the uk…

As an ex-tobacco smoker I was quite happy with it as well.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

NO,But if you have to use silk cut (lights) or some low tar cigs that like.

It's been proven that low tar aren't less harmful than regular ciggies: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/lowtar

wasn't it proved that nicotine addicts unconsciously inhale more deeply when smoking 'low tar' ciggies?

I am so lucky that tobac has NEVER sat well with me. I have had enough addictions without this devious little bastard! I am and have always been a pipe/bong/vapour/pure spliff man. My weed (when smoked through a pipe) goes so much further than my spliff smoking friends. I put this down partly to them confusing there nicotine addiction to wanting a 'toot' and secondly as so much of the spliff goes up in smoke, without ever been smoked... If you know what I mean?

I must have been one of the only people really happy with the dutch smoking ban . Feels great to have cig smokers feel a bit of what I go through every time I want to smoke in the uk…

iv'e heard that about smokers inhaling deeper with low tar cigs + i dont smoke at all in the uk only the ocasional habana, my favourite being vegas robeina - unicos, but seen as they now cost £15 a stick its become a monthly thing instead of daily. agree with smoking ban in restaurants, nothing worse than enjoying a meal & someone lights a dirty cheap ciggie, but i think that when it comes to pubs/clubs they should at least be allowed to have a smoking section

[Boner]

I haven't got a problem with there being smoking areas anywhere including restaurants.

[happydaze777]

It's been proven that low tar aren't less harmful than regular ciggies: http://www.cancer.gov/newscenter/lowtar

wasn't it proved that nicotine addicts unconsciously inhale more deeply when smoking 'low tar' ciggies?

I am so lucky that tobac has NEVER sat well with me. I have had enough addictions without this devious little bastard! I am and have always been a pipe/bong/vapour/pure spliff man. My weed (when smoked through a pipe) goes so much further than my spliff smoking friends. I put this down partly to them confusing there nicotine addiction to wanting a 'toot' and secondly as so much of the spliff goes up in smoke, without ever been smoked... If you know what I mean?

I must have been one of the only people really happy with the dutch smoking ban . Feels great to have cig smokers feel a bit of what I go through every time I want to smoke in the uk…

iv'e heard that about smokers inhaling deeper with low tar cigs + i dont smoke at all in the uk only the ocasional habana, my favourite being vegas robeina - unicos, but seen as they now cost £15 a stick its become a monthly thing instead of daily. agree with smoking ban in restaurants, nothing worse than enjoying a meal & someone lights a dirty cheap ciggie, but i think that when it comes to pubs/clubs they should at least be allowed to have a smoking section

I don't want to give the impression I am some conservative frik or part of the anti smoking tribe, I just enjoy the irony of seeing smokers outside, freezing their ass's off in the cold, wind and rain, whilst I am nicely tucked up in my coffeeshop tooting my BIG FAT pure spliff...

I am absolutely against prohibition of any substance and for the rights of adults to have the right to make informed choices.

[Jesscass]

interesting post, thanks. There's some interesting research into this subject like this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18855154

Cheers, puffpuffgive. Thank you for the link. I guess this result is all about the chemical additives of commercial tobacco making smoke a lot smoother and inhaling deeper easier. Interesting nevertheless .

Darkglobe, thanks for sharing your story.

[puffpuffgive]

puffpuffgive wrote:
interesting post, thanks. There's some interesting research into this subject like this: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18855154

Cheers, puffpuffgive. Thank you for the link. I guess this result is all about the chemical additives of commercial tobacco making smoke a lot smoother and inhaling deeper easier. Interesting nevertheless .

no its not that... they used a smoking machine in the tests

i think the basic gist of it is that the thc molecule attaches itself to the nicotine molecule, the nicotine molecule is absorbed more readily into your bloodstream than the thc molecule, hence the effect is quicker and stronger

i love smoking pure too, but tabac is how i'm used to

[funbags]

i smoke cigs and weed and to be honest i have never seebn anyone smoke a pure weed joint because the cost of weed over here is too high 50€ for 3.5gs of alright weed and most of the time that includes the bags (drug dealers are scam perfectionists) and anyway i get plenty stoned off a joint with tobacco bout half a fag(cigarette) and a good sprinkle of weed and im gigglin wen i go to the dam ill probably smoke pure as well as tobacco joints but thats just because its so cheap and theres only so much will fit in a birthday card plus im a softy and will be monged after a pure weed j