Teenage cannabis addiction on the rise

beejun · Post by **beejun** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 12:57 am

seanlyall wrote:PMSL my mate invited me round on Friday to get high, "Wake 'n' Bake" for the Scotland match on Saturday morning.

Mmmh wake n bake :p good luck for the game.

beejun · Post by **beejun** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 12:58 am

seanlyall wrote:PMSL my mate invited me round on Friday to get high, "Wake 'n' Bake" for the Scotland match on Saturday morning.

Mmmh wake n bake :p good luck for the game.

happydaze777 · Post by **happydaze777** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 03:22 pm

Nothing like a good old wake and bake... Then again, i also like a cold beer (or two) first in the morning. If I am honest I feel like I am addicted to both substances, but the addiction is not out of control in my opinion, as I hold down a full time (ridiculously responsible job) so only indulge in the evenings, weekends and holidays. But an addict non-the-less. When ever work is not an issue its always the first thing I do. In fact some days (even though I love my work) the thought of my fine selection waiting at home for me, is the only way I can make it through the day!

And I still say that physical withdrawal is the least of your problems when you are addicted to a substance. Sure it is a self created living hell, but its over and done with in a few days/a week. The psychological addiction can be like a mill stone round your neck that lasts for years... Whenever you feel a bit down, or someone does 'wrong' by you or 'the shit hits the fan' in your life, its always there, taunting you, promising you oblivion... I promise you, it never goes away.

I am not here to demonise cannabis. I love it. I accept my usage (my own personal experience, daily smoker for nearly 20 years) and recognise the positives and the negatives it contributes to my life.

beejun · Post by **beejun** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 04:27 pm

Happydaze I can't agree more with what you've just said. Peace

baked · Post by **baked** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 05:43 pm

happydaze777 wrote:Nothing like a good old wake and bake... Then again, i also like a cold beer (or two) first in the morning. If I am honest I feel like I am addicted to both substances, but the addiction is not out of control in my opinion, as I hold down a full time (ridiculously responsible job) so only indulge in the evenings, weekends and holidays. But an addict non-the-less. When ever work is not an issue its always the first thing I do. In fact some days (even though I love my work) the thought of my fine selection waiting at home for me, is the only way I can make it through the day!

And I still say that physical withdrawal is the least of your problems when you are addicted to a substance. Sure it is a self created living hell, but its over and done with in a few days/a week. The psychological addiction can be like a mill stone round your neck that lasts for years... Whenever you feel a bit down, or someone does 'wrong' by you or 'the shit hits the fan' in your life, its always there, taunting you, promising you oblivion... I promise you, it never goes away.

I am not here to demonise cannabis. I love it. I accept my usage (my own personal experience, daily smoker for nearly 20 years) and recognise the positives and the negatives it contributes to my life.

thank you, i could not have said it any better.

sh@dy · Post by **sh@dy** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 05:50 pm

baked wrote:
sh@dy wrote:
baked wrote: im sorry but you are just a retard. you are not able to have an impartial look on this issue. therefore i think talking to you is like talking to a pile of dumb. i follow your retarted posts for a while but this just shows that you are not willing to admit. maybe your addiction is pushing you this far, maybe you are just the regular german potsmoker. who knows?
when did I insult you?
to tell you the truth about myself:
I had a problem with my stomach, I couldnt do anything without pain in the stomach. when I started to smoke daily, before that I did it only on the weekend, this went away(this was BEFORE I knew of ANY kind of medication with cannabis). same with my sleep. I was never ever able to sleep good at night, I just dont get to the stadium of full-sleep, I wake up by the slightest sound...since I smoke it daily, I feel good in the morning, not like I have partied 2 days, which was the situation before that....I went to work/school with no energy because I couldnt sleep, now I dont have any problems with waking up early, going to work and work 9 hours.
So I dont see any problem in smoking weed. Addiction? sorry, but this is ridicilious, weed is no heroin, get yourself a bit of information and you will see I am right.
of course kids just shouldnt do ANY kind of drugs, but that is just UNREALISTIC and since we live in a world where people will ALWAYS take drugs, I would rather see the teens smoking pot all day than seeing them taking cocain/speed/xtc, which is happening in the last few years.
And just to make sure you dont answer with this addiction-thing again, try to find out what addiction really means
for me addiction is something you cant controll, but WANT to controll. I love to smoke weed, so I dont see any addiction there. when the day comes and I think by myself "wtf, this doesnt fit you anymore", then I will stop, I just did so with cigarettes
there you did:

sh@dy wrote:
baked wrote:probably it is the personality, but canabis is changing the personality and just the feeling of not toking produces stress.
the problem you`Re talking about is not cannabis-addiction but stupidity....if I am not able to handle a drug, I wouldnt take it, its as simple as that. nobody NEEDS drugs, only the people who are already addicted to some kind of drug.

maybe you learn the meaning of addiction yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Addiction

you are just trying to defend yourself and not admit you are addicted.
like i said before, of course weed is not heroin, but it is addictive, it changes habits and personalities and so on. you state that it is not dangerous at all. this is ignorance.
like happydaze said, it is a health issue. i did not mean to describe you as a criminal but just somebody who smokes weed often. i do it myself and sure i can control myself, but still smoking weed or not smoking weed has an influence on this. i never said i could not control myself, but the tendency is just different.
how about your smoking friends, dont they and you have that crave to smoke a joint before going to bed? did none of you call your dealer at night because of the sponatinous desire of smoking a joint?
i think most of us have had such or similiar situations.
if you cant admit any of this, you lost your mind.

Restriction of repertoire - ie seeking stronger alternatives - it's why alcoholics drink spirits instead of Fosters. Cannabis is stonger these days but most people temper their use accordingly. If it were addictive everyone would stop smoking wasteful joints and stick to vapourisers and hot knives. Clearly not the case.
i disagree, why did thinks like ice hash and terminator come up? because there is a market for it. compare 10-15% thc reg weed with 60% ice... about the same difference as beer and spirits i'd say.
i think your definitions are right, but i think there is a difference between a physical addiction like hard drugs cause and a mental addiction like online games, internet and weed.

i agree with beejun and shady i think it is weird that all the typical potsmoker habits cant be applied to you and you friends. if smoking in the morning would not be common, why is there such a term as "wake and bake"?

once again, it is not about saying people are wrong when they smoke daily or smoke a lot, i just find it ignorant to say there is no risk at all.

I dont give a damn shit about how addiction is defined by someone who is good with words

so you state yourself in the group of people who "produce stress when not toking"....I didnt know that and am sorry I insulted you.
on the other hand, of course I sometimes feel the need to smoke a J at some point of the day, but since everything is fine with me, I have a job I am doing good at, got a girl and a nice flat I always keep clean....I dont see any addiction there. this is more of an "award" for myself, coming home from work, cleaning the house, eat and then have a J with the girl and some friends. I dont see any addiction there. addiction in my situation would be, if I would smoke a J in the morning, go to work, cant do anything right because I am too high, getting home not doing anything to keep the flat clean etc....and as I already stated there are those 2 medical tasks I use it for, better sleep and for my stomach.
An addict for me is someone who suffers from his drug-taking.......which is not the case.
And you also didnt get my point of "not dangerous". the plant itself isnt dangerous at all, no overdose, no toxication,nothing! if people who use it, cant live their lives properly, its the people who are to be blamed...right?

baked · Post by **baked** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 05:55 pm

whatever, this discussion is not going anywhere. you are just ignorant, thats all. keeping your place clean is something normal, nothing that differs addicts from non addicts. keep your eyes closed and be happy with it, you are an addict, but it doesnt matter.

sh@dy · Post by **sh@dy** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 06:09 pm

baked wrote:whatever, this discussion is not going anywhere. you are just ignorant, thats all. keeping your place clean is something normal, nothing that differs addicts from non addicts. keep your eyes closed and be happy with it, you are an addict, but it doesnt matter.

you didnt answer my question, thats why this discussion is going nowhere.
I will give you another question:
What is so "dangerous" about cannabis in first place?

baked · Post by **baked** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 06:18 pm

that people like you dont recognize that they are addicted, that habits and personalities are changed, people can get paranoid and so on. of course you will once again say that its the people, not the drugs blah blah. of course it is the people, but without the drug they would not have those problems.

beejun · Post by **beejun** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 07:01 pm

baked wrote:that people like you dont recognize that they are addicted, that habits and personalities are changed, people can get paranoid and so on. of course you will once again say that its the people, not the drugs blah blah. of course it is the people, but without the drug they would not have those problems.

yeah baked, you are right, the german guy is talking bubbles, Cannabis can be addictive, end of. lol, he said he can still clean his flat and do his job, Ahah what a low expectation guy, what you want us to say? Well done for being able to clean your flat when high? Ahaha

aradiasraven · Post by **aradiasraven** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 07:09 pm

baked wrote:that people like you dont recognize that they are addicted, that habits and personalities are changed, people can get paranoid and so on. of course you will once again say that its the people, not the drugs blah blah. of course it is the people, but without the drug they would not have those problems.

BAKED,if you feel this way why do you smoke?

I ve read a lot of your posts and it sounds you have a problem with the Herb. Get yourself into a treatment program and or stop smoking. Cannibis is a medicine ALL medicine have side effects.The few side effect it dose have pale in comparision to the benfits. Personaly I use cannabis as a medicine I have Crohns disease and I can not funticon with out my herb. Does this make me an addicit? If so it is a small price to pay to have my health and be able to fuction. Peace

sh@dy · Post by **sh@dy** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 07:13 pm

beejun wrote:
baked wrote:that people like you dont recognize that they are addicted, that habits and personalities are changed, people can get paranoid and so on. of course you will once again say that its the people, not the drugs blah blah. of course it is the people, but without the drug they would not have those problems.
yeah baked, you are right, the german guy is talking bubbles, Cannabis can be addictive, end of. lol, he said he can still clean his flat and do his job, Ahah what a low expectation guy, what you want us to say? Well done for being able to clean your flat when high? Ahaha

I feel sorry for you

those two things were just examples out of life....

baked · Post by **baked** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 07:19 pm

aradiasraven wrote:
baked wrote:that people like you dont recognize that they are addicted, that habits and personalities are changed, people can get paranoid and so on. of course you will once again say that its the people, not the drugs blah blah. of course it is the people, but without the drug they would not have those problems.

BAKED,if you feel this way why do you smoke? I ve read a lot of your posts and it sounds you have a problem with the Herb. Get yourself into a treatment program and or stop smoking. Cannibis is a medicine ALL medicine have side effects.The few side effect it dose have pale in comparision to the benfits. Personaly I use cannabis as a medicine I have Crohns disease and I can not funticon with out my herb. Does this make me an addicit? If so it is a small price to pay to have my health and be able to fuction. Peace

i love the smoke and i feel fine with my use of it. it just concerns me that it is seen as not dangerous and harmful at all. it did not say i feel this way when i smoke, this is just something that happens to lots of pot smokers. there also is a difference between responsible use of drugs and not feeling comfortable with it.

beejun · Post by **beejun** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 07:21 pm

Arabia, you can be addicted to something and still enjoy it and lead a good Life. I think the point baked was making is that cannabis can be addictive and that it sometimes can be dangerous.
It is a medication also, that's right, and like a lot of medicinal medications prescribed by a doctor for your own good , one can get addicted to, just like xanax etc... Peace

aradiasraven · Post by **aradiasraven** » Fri 9th Oct 2009 07:28 pm

Baked Ok, sorry I understand more where your coming from . Thanks for explaining. One of the things I hate is if some one uses something like herb or tabacco, knows it is bad for them but does not take steps to stop using it.They rather just bitch about. it I ve meet a lot of people like that. I do not understand this way of thinking. SO IT DRIVES ME NUTS. Imo If something is a problem either accept or do something about it. Sorry I drew the wrong conclousion there. Peace and enjoy your herb