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brits sign here pls http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Back-Prof-Nutt/

what irritates me, is there is no-one jumping on this as a catalyst for legalization

An Article in the independent today.

Bruce Anderson: Let's be honest... legalise drugs and society would benefit


http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/co ... 13200.html

Good article Fat Freddie , thanks for posting . And well said Bruce Anderson.

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:what irritates me, is there is no-one jumping on this as a catalyst for legalization

Are we not (at this very momnet) signing over any hope of legalisation to Europe with the Lisbon treaty?

Already against international law (as I understand it) I fear signing this treaty simply erodes (even more) of the UK powers to change laws on controlled substances?

I really hope they all resign. What use are experts if they don't tow party line anyway?

happydaze777 wrote:
Are we not (at this very momnet) signing over any hope of legalisation to Europe with the Lisbon treaty?

Already against international law (as I understand it) I fear signing this treaty simply erodes (even more) of the UK powers to change laws on controlled substances?

I really hope they all resign. What use are experts if they don't tow party line anyway?

Maybe man, i quite like being part of Europe. You have to remember we are part of the UN so it would be very difficult to legalise anyway.

But it dosnt rule out introducing a Dutch system, plus the fuck you attitude to Europe in Britain means if we wanted to do something, im pretty they'd do it anyway. Didnt stop them with Iraq or Afganistan.

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:

happydaze777 wrote:
Are we not (at this very momnet) signing over any hope of legalisation to Europe with the Lisbon treaty?

Already against international law (as I understand it) I fear signing this treaty simply erodes (even more) of the UK powers to change laws on controlled substances?

I really hope they all resign. What use are experts if they don't tow party line anyway?

Maybe man, i quite like being part of Europe. You have to remember we are part of the UN so it would be very difficult to legalise anyway.

But it dosnt rule out introducing a Dutch system, plus the fuck you attitude to Europe in Britain means if we wanted to do something, im pretty they'd do it anyway. Didnt stop them with Iraq or Afganistan.

I have to say being a part of Europe has grown on me over the years to be honest…

I actually believe in devolving power, not centralising it (as a whole theory). But I have to say I like the community 'vibe' (if that’s the right word) that Europe brings. Anything that pulls people together is good in my book!

I am pretty sure that being part of the UN/International 'community' excludes us from ever fully legalising cannabis, but nothing is impossible...

Personally i think decriminalisation or tolerance is probably the only way forward. This really saddens me as I am not convinced it benefits the user (medical or recreational)...

Tomarter wrote:It is a fact that cannabis is safer than alcohol - the only dangerous form of cannabis in this country is the dreadful soap bar.

And the grit weed. But they could eradicate both those problems by legalising it.

ynwa wrote:

Tomarter wrote:It is a fact that cannabis is safer than alcohol - the only dangerous form of cannabis in this country is the dreadful soap bar.

And the grit weed. But they could eradicate both those problems by legalising it.

The real danger of cannabis is the negative effect it has on some people by producing a lethargic nature leading them to not fulfill their potential. This is not the case for all, but i have most definantly seen it.

The real danger of cannabis is the negative effect it has on some people by producing a lethargic nature leading them to not fulfill their potential. This is not the case for all, but i have most definitely seen it.

While the effect you mention does occur, 'danger' is a particularly strong word.

My belief is that it is in part due to society's total lack of acceptance of the pot user, and also the ever decreasing number of stimulating opportunities for young people.

The relationship between society and the individual is important. An individual cannot be expected to contribute well to society when society doesn't return the favour.

doobydave wrote:
While the effect you mention does occur, 'danger' is a particularly strong word.

My belief is that it is in part due to society's total lack of acceptance of the pot user, and also the ever decreasing number of stimulating opportunities for young people.

The relationship between society and the individual is important. An individual cannot be expected to contribute well to society when society doesn't return the favour.

I think there is alot of truth in what you say, however cannabis does make people who over step the line from use to abuse do occansionly end up being lay a bouts. Is this a problem with the substance, well yes, but for most other substances when abused it creates the same type of effect. In my view its a danger related to the substance, but a danger often experienced when the person is at fault for abusing the substance, or naturally being a lay a bout anyways.

I think there is stimulation in society, its just social norms from various gorups go against participation in youth clubs etc and focus round vodka and pills. Kids complain theres nothing to do, which is sometimes right, but theres always jumpers for goal posts etc. It was the same for us as kids, however we didnt have as many media influences which i honsetly think adds to a feeling of disengagement.

One problem is that Prof. Nutt will get no backing from any other major political party in this country. All of them have vowed to stamp out the evil menace of cannabis that is destroying our society, whilst sitting back drinking copious amounts of whiskey and puffing on extraordinarily large cigars.
I can hardly see the Tories going into an election with either a legalisation agenda or a stating there will be a review of the classification.
The scientific evidence is against them and much of the social evidence is against them, but they will not acknowledge it.
With the current political thinking we are slowly losing the battle folks.

Slaartibartfast wrote:One problem is that Prof. Nutt will get no backing from any other major political party in this country. All of them have vowed to stamp out the evil menace of cannabis that is destroying our society, whilst sitting back drinking copious amounts of whiskey and puffing on extraordinarily large cigars.
I can hardly see the Tories going into an election with either a legalisation agenda or a stating there will be a review of the classification.
The scientific evidence is against them and much of the social evidence is against them, but they will not acknowledge it.
With the current political thinking we are slowly losing the battle folks.

See lib dems policy.

Slaartibartfast wrote:One problem is that Prof. Nutt will get no backing from any other major political party in this country. All of them have vowed to stamp out the evil menace of cannabis that is destroying our society, whilst sitting back drinking copious amounts of whiskey and puffing on extraordinarily large cigars.
I can hardly see the Tories going into an election with either a legalisation agenda or a stating there will be a review of the classification.
The scientific evidence is against them and much of the social evidence is against them, but they will not acknowledge it.
With the current political thinking we are slowly losing the battle folks.

The Tories said they would have sacked him sooner! Sir Niall is spot on, Lib Dems are the only 'main stream' party to really question this decision. The Green party supports legalisation...