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Just got back from 6 days in Dam (trip report to follow).

To be perfectly honest (I have done a couple of cups and never been a huge fan of the commercialisation (sp) there. Went a couple of days last week and it was no different. The big screen and constant loop of cannabalania is very, very close, leaning on the edge of, staring down the precipice of propaganda and indoctrination.

More of that to come.

Back to OP - Although you could have predicted the results fairly accurately (certainly which coffee shops would 'place' etc) there is a reason this year. To be honest, the Kushs' from Barneys were superior to every other Kush out there at the moment (as you will see from our Trip Report we tried as many as we could). The Vanilla Kush was a beautiful example of the strain, which was a big favourite of both my companions, however I preferred the Pink Kush. A fabulous smoke, nice fat indica high, great looking tight little nuggets that shimmered with crystals and the smell left me drooling. The smoke didn’t let down either. Thick, sweet, spicy smoke that left your taste buds tingling.

Goosey Joe wrote:The Vanilla Kush was a beautiful example of the strain, which was a big favourite of both my companions, however I preferred the Pink Kush. A fabulous smoke, nice fat indica high, great looking tight little nuggets that shimmered with crystals and the smell left me drooling. The smoke didn’t let down either. Thick, sweet, spicy smoke that left your taste buds tingling.

Awesome

The PK was my favorite smoke from our trip in August...it was Amnesia's version. Where was your example from?

metal4mullets wrote:

Goosey Joe wrote:The Vanilla Kush was a beautiful example of the strain, which was a big favourite of both my companions, however I preferred the Pink Kush. A fabulous smoke, nice fat indica high, great looking tight little nuggets that shimmered with crystals and the smell left me drooling. The smoke didn’t let down either. Thick, sweet, spicy smoke that left your taste buds tingling.

Awesome

The PK was my favorite smoke from our trip in August...it was Amnesia's version. Where was your example from?

Our strain was from ****EDIT Alert***** Amnesia and we must have bought a good 10g of the PK alone over the week. We also got a few grams from Bush Doctor and somewhere else (memory escapes me now but will see in notes when we get to that day on trip report - could have been Amnesia though ). Keep an eye on the trip reports, there is pictures galore and I think a 7g monster joint that had a good amount of the PK in!)

EDIT - bad memory - Vanilla Kush was Barneys and PInk Kush was Amnesia.

Adamster wrote:
Well if you say you can get some Cheese! I WANT SOME! ill be there wit in 40min tell me where you are

MEME PAS!! le centre COMPASSION n'ont pas de cheese!! « jai demande si leurs dealers ou leurs grower en avais « et NON!!

The club on Rachel has some very nice Power plant right now,(if you are a member). I'm not, but i do have access through a friend with a card.

The selection amongst my friends is usually alot better than the club. Most of it in the West Island.

The ACD 420 CC sounds like a great idea. I would however change a few things.

1. Growers are judged for the weed, not C/S's, unless the C/S is the grower. This is a cannabis cup not a coffee-shop cup.
2. Judging
a. Blind
b. Four day event (allows for detox )
Day 1 Indica
Day 2 Sativa
Day 3 Hash
Day 4 Results (on 4-20 at 4:20) and a world-wide smoke-out.
3. CS's are judged on the following:
a. Price and quality of gear
b. Service
c. Overall appearance with special emphasis on cleanliness.
d. Extra credit: What they give back to the community, ie... sponsoring or participating in charity events.

Just think about the possibilities....................
Peace[/u][/i]

Kacey420 wrote:

Adamster wrote:
Well if you say you can get some Cheese! I WANT SOME! ill be there wit in 40min tell me where you are

MEME PAS!! le centre COMPASSION n'ont pas de cheese!! « jai demande si leurs dealers ou leurs grower en avais « et NON!!

The club on Rachel has some very nice Power plant right now,(if you are a member). I'm not, but i do have access through a friend with a card.

The selection amongst my friends is usually alot better than the club. Most of it in the West Island.

Wast island! « myself

i know about Hashplant was just smoking some this weekend wasnt the best (cause first of month morow ) and by next week should have Master Kush once again! But no cheese even ask friend in dorion iles perrot laval sur le lac .... NONE around! beside if you know someone who grows it witch i dont!! on street NONE « i know cuz .. just cuz i know

But you Canadians have better smoke and more relaxed attitude to it at home.

Well, I am not so sure about the more relaxed attitude.

We have had Tory minority governments for the last few years. They take all kinds of ideas out of the failed Yank politicians' (mainly Republican) playbooks. If our Tories keep at their bullshit we might get to be as bad as the US re:cannabis!

For those with medical MJ needs then, yes, I would imagine that we do have a much more relaxed attitude to MJ than most other countries. BUT, you must have a real illness to be able to qualify for the medical exemptions.

The ACD 420 CC sounds like a great idea. I would however change a few things.

1. Growers are judged for the weed, not C/S's, unless the C/S is the grower. This is a cannabis cup not a coffee-shop cup.
2. Judging
a. Blind
b. Four day event (allows for detox )
Day 1 Indica
Day 2 Sativa
Day 3 Hash
Day 4 Results (on 4-20 at 4:20) and a world-wide smoke-out.
3. CS's are judged on the following:
a. Price and quality of gear
b. Service
c. Overall appearance with special emphasis on cleanliness.
d. Extra credit: What they give back to the community, ie... sponsoring or participating in charity events.

Just think about the possibilities....................
Peace[/u][/i]

I, too, think this is a good idea.

One way to introduce anonymity and fairness would be to have something like the following:

Pre-rolled, one gram, pure joints (i.e. no tobaccy), but the roaches would have labels like, "A", "B",..."AA", etc, on them and each participating shop had waste bins only for the roaches ranging from "Best smoke" to "least best smoke" bin. (or better yet, ranging bins from "10" for great smoke to "1" for bottom smoke. Then we could empty the bins and rank the buds in an anonymous and reasonably fair way. Once the tallies were in, we could reveal the names of the various buds.

Another issue which has always bugged me with all the canabis contests (Cannabis CUP, Tokers Bowl, highlife cups, etc) is that they only rank using averages.

I often wonder if it might be better to also adjust scores for variability. (Those who have studied financial economics might recognize this as a form of a utility funcition were we would like to maximize the mean (average), whilst simultaneously penalizing for variability.)

For example, under traditional scoring the following two buds would be judged equally.

Bud A Scores (6, 6, 8, 10, 10), Average score = 8
Bud B Scores (8, 8, 8, 8, 8 ) Average score = 8

Eveyone gave bud B a score of 8. It consistently scored well. Bud A had some top scores but also had an equal number of mediocre scores.

Individual preferences mean that different people will judge different strains according to their owns likes/dislikes/tolerances and so on. Adding the penalty for variability might make the scores more meaningful, since a bud that has both a high average score and a low variability score would appeal to many more people. Hence, it would/should be a contender for the overall winner.

Note: I feel that this might also be a good way to rank seed banks. When you are growing you like to have quality and consistency. (I know hunting for that killer pheno can have great results, but it can also be a huge pain in the ass.)

I hope that made sense.

THat's my two cents worth.

Ingwey Gooblebogger wrote:

But you Canadians have better smoke and more relaxed attitude to it at home.

Well, I am not so sure about the more relaxed attitude.

We have had Tory minority governments for the last few years. They take all kinds of ideas out of the failed Yank politicians' (mainly Republican) playbooks. If our Tories keep at their bullshit we might get to be as bad as the US re:cannabis!

For those with medical MJ needs then, yes, I would imagine that we do have a much more relaxed attitude to MJ than most other countries. BUT, you must have a real illness to be able to qualify for the medical exemptions.

A city with Vapour lounges and large headshops would be shut down here. People who are ill in Canada can treat themselves, we're to worries about broken Britain being dragged further down than allowing people to have a standard of living guaranteed to us through human right legisiation.

Goosey Joe wrote:EDIT - bad memory - Vanilla Kush was Barneys and PInk Kush was Amnesia.

Haha...nice! It really was effin' amazing. Glad you enjoyed it as well

@ Ingwey: My head just esploded

Ingwey Gooblebogger "utility funcition"
Surely using utils would create an indifference curve which could create more skepticism of the results. i think you're on the right track though

Ingwey Gooblebogger i understand your logic to find an overall "winner" but alot of people choose their weed depending on variables. Therefore surely the "winners" should be shown with variables included. For example I might choose the "6th" best weed because it's the best tasting but not the "best" overall.

ACD cup......sounds good! but just remember the stoner mind!!!Simple, simple, simple. How about this? a couple of days befor the 420 have a big meet and greet,and give everyone a card and map with the best 5 shops listed on the forum(a poll?)weed and hash both!. and then at the end of the 420 cup we can all getogether somewere(Nes)? have smoke off and tally the results....?Oh yes we can have a couple of coffee shop crawls to each of the listed shops, 1 or 2 a day perhaps.... that way we can all make a informed choice.....and lemming can bring a box of ADC stuff so we all can have cool stuff to remember the 420 cup trip?If he wants to?

Ingwey Gooblebogger "utility funcition"
Surely using utils would create an indifference curve which could create more skepticism of the results. i think you're on the right track though

Perhaps, but there will always be some issues using any scoring metric. (Using only averages can result in potentially misleading results. Consider a highly skewed distributon of scores, such that the median was much different than the mean. In this case, some might argue that a combination of the mean and median would result in a better metric.)

Consider the previous example, where both median and mean were equal. Based on the data (because that is how the final prizes would be determined) would you have given the award to strain A or strain B or would it have resulted in a tie? Personally, I would award it to B, because, it consistently rates highly.

Also, the current scoring method (only using averages) is, clearly, a subset of my simple utility method, previously posited. (i.e. set variability penalty parameter to zero, results in current method.)

I do agree that there would be difficulty in determining the penalty parameter (and hence the optimal utlity curve), as this would, likely, be heavily influenced by personal criteria.

BUT, individual scores given to each bud are also due to personal preferences.

Ingwey Gooblebogger i understand your logic to find an overall "winner" but alot of people choose their weed depending on variables. Therefore surely the "winners" should be shown with variables included. For example I might choose the "6th" best weed because it's the best tasting but not the "best" overall

Agreed, as per above.
The overall winner(s) under both the current method and a simple utility method, would reflect, to different degrees, personal preferences.

Adding more variables, such as taste, might make for another way to incorporate personal preferences into the final score. I have no problem with multi-dimensional analysis, but I fear that if the method got too complicated, then even more cries of "fixing" the final results would
occur.

Ignoring the scoring methodology, I do think that "blind testing" (anonymity) would be preferable to the current method. If neither the smoker, nor the coffeeshop, knew, in advance, which strain was labelled "A", "B", and so on......we might get a more fair end result.

Those labelling the joints, could be a group of ACD members, agreed in advance, whose judgement we consider above reproach. The labellers would not be allowed to vote because they have advanced knowledge of the strains. (In an ideal world the labellers would get a gram of each strain, for their hard work. Where do I sign up? )

Oh well, it is just an idea.

Adamster wrote:
Wast island! « myself

i know about Hashplant was just smoking some this weekend wasnt the best (cause first of month morow ) and by next week should have Master Kush once again! But no cheese even ask friend in dorion iles perrot laval sur le lac .... NONE around! beside if you know someone who grows it witch i dont!! on street NONE « i know cuz .. just cuz i know

Kush is always tasty! Maybe we'll enjoy some of montreals finest one day!