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Stanky Danky wrote:

templeball wrote: Every breakdown ive ever seen says the same, indoor grown weed is ultra low CBN/CBD levels, with increased THC.

Would love to see you source one of these "breakdowns". Sounds like you completely pulled it out of your ass. I'm fairly certain than THC, CBN, and CBD levels are all genetic and has nothing to do with where the plant is grown. If you let a plant mature too long THC starts to degrade and CBN/CBD levels rise, giving you a more narcotic or dreamy high as you describe.

Yo Stanky Danky
i havent pulled anything out of my arse as (not last time I checked anyway ), I am only sharing what I have picked up over the years as an avid enthusiast/reader and as a former outdoor UK grower with varying success. I havent ever grown indoors with modern seeds as the whole concept is quite alien to me so I welcome the debate. You may be right that its genetic in part, thats what the debate is - what makes an outdoor weed preferable to some of us? Im saying its two fold, get seeds that dont come from a hybrid cross thing, because I suspect that they are genetically high THC mainly, use seeds from nature (i.e from good quality imported grass, ive brought seeds back from India in my earlier years), then grow them with real sun for two/three years in a row to get them acclimatised for good bud growth in our shorter summers - low sun summers have always produced quite sleepy slightly flat feeling homegrown in my experience, and the odd very good UK summer has produced weed that is much stronger, less sleepy, but still creeps up over a ten-30 min period and is still worlds apart from the buzz of any inddor skunk stuff that hits in 2 seconds flat without that lovely dreamy up feeling you describe...

Anyway this all started because USBONGLORD is the first person Ive ever heard say they cant see any difference between the hit of an outdoor and an indoor, that surprised me so we have been trying to work out why that is: he thinks its because there isnt any difference, I think very differently as I regularly marvel at how different my evenings are when I sit puffing cheese/rhino/chiesel compared to Hi grade Jamaican imported weed and hippy welsh grown outdoors....its been a fun debate

To close the THC/CBN/CBD debate, just looked at the Greenhouse seed co. catalogue, all the indoor seeds are ultra high THC, ultra low CBD/N

e.g. Arjan's Haze #1
Awards: 1st prize HTCC 2004.
Genetics: secret pedigree.
Effect: extremely psycoactive high, strong and long lasting. Spicy, minty sativa taste.
Flowering indoor: 11 weeks with a yield of 600-800 gr/sqm.
Flowering outdoor: finishes at the end of October in the Northern hemisphere, or in May in the Southern.
Yield: Production can reach 1500 gr/plant. Massive buds and superior quality with spectacular THC concentration. An extraordinary champion for the most demanding growers.
Content: THC: 22.3% CBD: 0.9% CBN: 0.7%

so looks like it starts with the modern hybrid cross/breeding seed strains that are mostly responsible for the variations....high THC low CBD/N seeds to start with! Ironically there is stuff Ive just read in a yahoo searc that attributes all kinds of potentially good medicinal qulaities to the CBN/D compounds, nature provided us with a balanced bit of blow, you indoor maniacs are depriving yourselves of medicine!! my last word on this subject for now...

BEST OUTDOOR SMOKE OF THE YEAR - Jamaican sensi, arrived in January this year via Brixton, mindwarping (in a different way), the rastas say never drink with it, i think they are right

USBONGLORD wrote:

sh@dy wrote:and the winner is....outdoor!
as every year I love the outdoor-season, theres no indoor-weed which can compare to this

im not gonna argue, but yer incorrect..plenty of indoor is equal...ya just get more outside,thats all...the botton line is ive done both for many years and the only dif is the weight...same smoke,same high...and ive been trying to prove me wrong,but i cant....

ofc the strenght isnt that different, its just slightly....the outdoor comes way more spicy than the indoor-grown, the high is different because it doesnt contain any fertilizers or anything, grows ni the "nature"
I just like it, you can say different, but thats what this forum is about

I think that you gentlemen will find that the THC and CBN/CBD potential is genetic, but the actual final product is quite dependent on the grower. I also think that the reason many connoisseurs favor outdoor slightly is b/c no matter what lighting set up you may choose for an indoor grow, the Sun always wins! Man made lighting systems simply cannot compete with the spectrum of sunlight and the possitive life force that travels with it. Just my two cents for what its worth.

sh@dy wrote:

USBONGLORD wrote:

sh@dy wrote:and the winner is....outdoor!
as every year I love the outdoor-season, theres no indoor-weed which can compare to this

im not gonna argue, but yer incorrect..plenty of indoor is equal...ya just get more outside,thats all...the botton line is ive done both for many years and the only dif is the weight...same smoke,same high...and ive been trying to prove me wrong,but i cant....

ofc the strenght isnt that different, its just slightly....the outdoor comes way more spicy than the indoor-grown, the high is different because it doesnt contain any fertilizers or anything, grows ni the "nature"
I just like it, you can say different, but thats what this forum is about

Lots of outdoor growers use ferts to maximise yield.

Boner wrote:

sh@dy wrote:

USBONGLORD wrote:im not gonna argue, but yer incorrect..plenty of indoor is equal...ya just get more outside,thats all...the botton line is ive done both for many years and the only dif is the weight...same smoke,same high...and ive been trying to prove me wrong,but i cant....

ofc the strenght isnt that different, its just slightly....the outdoor comes way more spicy than the indoor-grown, the high is different because it doesnt contain any fertilizers or anything, grows ni the "nature"
I just like it, you can say different, but thats what this forum is about

Lots of outdoor growers use ferts to maximise yield.

wouldnt an outside grow be likely to have more pesticides than an indoor grow?

Deppens Paulli. Its like everything ,you can use chemicals or organic methods i.e Egg shells, silver, animal piss etc. Or the chems, its up to you really.

MikeD. wrote:I think that you gentlemen will find that the THC and CBN/CBD potential is genetic, but the actual final product is quite dependent on the grower. I also think that the reason many connoisseurs favor outdoor slightly is b/c no matter what lighting set up you may choose for an indoor grow, the Sun always wins! Man made lighting systems simply cannot compete with the spectrum of sunlight and the possitive life force that travels with it. Just my two cents for what its worth.

I like this mans words

I used to stand amongst my 7 foot bud laden beauties and talk to them and adore them, basking in the sunshine, knowing that every minute of that sun was adding that little bit more bud growth, I was completely content to hang out with my babies for ages, even felt a bit wrong smoking next to them sometimes.....try doing that in a cupboard

templeball wrote:To close the THC/CBN/CBD debate, just looked at the Greenhouse seed co. catalogue, all the indoor seeds are ultra high THC, ultra low CBD/N

e.g. Arjan's Haze #1
Awards: 1st prize HTCC 2004.
Genetics: secret pedigree.
Effect: extremely psycoactive high, strong and long lasting. Spicy, minty sativa taste.
Flowering indoor: 11 weeks with a yield of 600-800 gr/sqm.
Flowering outdoor: finishes at the end of October in the Northern hemisphere, or in May in the Southern.
Yield: Production can reach 1500 gr/plant. Massive buds and superior quality with spectacular THC concentration. An extraordinary champion for the most demanding growers.
Content: THC: 22.3% CBD: 0.9% CBN: 0.7%

so looks like it starts with the modern hybrid cross/breeding seed strains that are mostly responsible for the variations....high THC low CBD/N seeds to start with! Ironically there is stuff Ive just read in a yahoo searc that attributes all kinds of potentially good medicinal qulaities to the CBN/D compounds, nature provided us with a balanced bit of blow, you indoor maniacs are depriving yourselves of medicine!! my last word on this subject for now...

BEST OUTDOOR SMOKE OF THE YEAR - Jamaican sensi, arrived in January this year via Brixton, mindwarping (in a different way), the rastas say never drink with it, i think they are right

Your post proves nothing. Arjan's Haze is a typical strong sativa with high THC and low CBD/CBN, that results in a high (not stone) and little to no burnout. A strong indica usually has a higher CBN/CBD percentage and sometimes leaves you fealing burned out when the stone wears off. This is the reason alot of people prefer to smoke indicas at night. Look at Greenhouse's catalogue a little closer and you will see that the indicas are higher CBD/CBN. Trust me it's purely genetic and has nothing to do with where the plant is grown.

Stanky Danky wrote:

templeball wrote: Your post proves nothing. Arjan's Haze is a typical strong sativa with high THC and low CBD/CBN, that results in a high (not stone) and little to no burnout. A strong indica usually has a higher CBN/CBD percentage and sometimes leaves you fealing burned out when the stone wears off. This is the reason alot of people prefer to smoke indicas at night. Look at Greenhouse's catalogue a little closer and you will see that the indicas are higher CBD/CBN. Trust me it's purely genetic and has nothing to do with where the plant is grown.

blimey, fair enough, im happy to take good advice and put it in the pot of understanding:)

still prefer field to cupboard though

if you look at ruderalis for example you see that they have higher cbd and cbn percentages and lower thc. i think this is the same with most landraces.
and yes they can be hard to grow indoors. i know people that grew out jamaican seeds and the all got hermies somehow although they were experienced growers!

Nevilles haze - 420

It gave me this bizzare deja vu, I was sitting in the smoking room at the flying pig listening to this guy chat with another guy and it felt like I knew everything he said word for word like I had read it on here already, It really felt like he was reading a script that I had wrote, it was insanely trippy

sorry i stated my opinion..nno im not..i know things..when ya can knock this battery off my shoulder ill stop opinionating... ...alright then,,,thats what this place is for...i learn too but when i know something im not gonna sit on it and smile...if ya wanna disagree,ya dont have to shit all over each other........i kno w stuuf and thats how we roll...lolololol...now back to the 100 grams of king hassan supreme i gotta smoke.....you kids discuss and im gonna get so high i cant find the floor

Temple Ball, The strains you mention you like to schmoke, are IBL's... Jamaican (Lambs Bread and Red Beard) Thai (again, whether red, yellow, green, polka dot - it's IBL) Not only are they IBL's (which are not as potent as crosses) but you compare THC %'s and Complex Cannabinoid breakdowns of Sativa plants. Also - CBD/N/G %s are generally a lot higher in Indica varieties. What you really are saying is that you're a sativa type.

edit: Most Sativa strains today, have been crossed with other weeds, (indica/sativa) for various reasons, mainly to increase yield or potency though. Take Super Silver Haze, grows outdoors as well as indoors. I'm with USBL on this one - if a SSH plant was to be grown outdoors, and a SSH plant grown indoors (same genetics), the outdoor plant would yield a significantly larger amount , but woulda flowered for a longer period in the northern hemishere. The indoor plant woulda finished quicker, and given a smaller yield. The strehgth of the high, would be as close to identical, though!

Boner wrote:

sh@dy wrote:

USBONGLORD wrote:im not gonna argue, but yer incorrect..plenty of indoor is equal...ya just get more outside,thats all...the botton line is ive done both for many years and the only dif is the weight...same smoke,same high...and ive been trying to prove me wrong,but i cant....

ofc the strenght isnt that different, its just slightly....the outdoor comes way more spicy than the indoor-grown, the high is different because it doesnt contain any fertilizers or anything, grows ni the "nature"
I just like it, you can say different, but thats what this forum is about

Lots of outdoor growers use ferts to maximise yield.

of course, but not all of them, and they are being washed away with the rain a bit also