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Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 11:06 am
by Uncle Ron
Stanky Danky wrote:The shop owner sets the price not the consumer. If the price is set lower they will more than than likely sell more product. However in setting the price higher it sometimes peaks the curiousity of the consumer who wants to know if it is really worth the price. People are going to buy the product regardless so your point is mute to me. Barneys has no doubt lost some business for having higher prices as is evident by several comments on this forum. In the end it's a gamble an owner takes setting his prices higher, the consumer really has no say.
Yes, the shop owners set the price, but it's up to consumers like you and me to decide if the product or service is worth the asking price. Setting the price higher may peak curiosity, but again, most likely not the curiosity of regulars, like myself. We know better because we understand that some of the time these overpriced strains are in fact re-branded common strains, possibly even altered somewhat in appearance and taste. Quite a few smokers from the UK have recently complained about imported gear from The Netherlands having been altered, mostly in weight.
This past August, some shops, including Easygoing in Maastricht, were selling a nasty version of so-called Acapulco Gold, which in all likely hood was a re-branded Strawberry Cough. I started to smoke in the early 70's, a time when strains such as AcaGold, PanaRed, and ColomboGold were plentiful. No way does the AcaGold even come close to resembling what it should have, mainly because it tasted like a stale, fruit salad. Simply nasty! Simply a rip off! Simply for cannabis tourist.
Using this website search function, one can read many posts in reference that some shops will re-brand certain strains and charge a premium. And guess who pays that premium? Not the regulars, and I will give you a little nugget: There are a couple of shops that I frequent regularly and have on occasion been warned by the bud tender the strain xx is actually a re-brand. I made a comparison and sure enough, the same gear with the only difference being the name and price, which was E2 more. One of my past favorite shops, which shall remain nameless, began doing this practice a little to often, so I decided not to go there anymore. And when speaking to some of my friends and acquaintances in that town, most have stopped going as well. Nowadays, it's mostly tourists that go there and pay the ridiculous prices. Won't be long now before they end up closing. When in town, I stop near the shop and notice that most of the time the shop is empty. My friends/acquaintances tell me the same thing and have the same opinion, any day now that shop will be closed due to lack of business.
Even though the price difference may only be E2-E3 per gram, this in my opinion is the foundation for raising overall prices, one step at a time.
Lastly, you state that the consumer has no say in the prices, true. But the consumer can affect how long the shop remains in business, and when no one buys their gear, the result is they end up going out of business, has happened before, will happen again, and in my example above, sooner for some.
But hey, people like you will continue to literally buy into this scam, and the really sad part is that you and those like minded will ignore my/our advice. So, embrace your attitude that my point is mute, and continue to be ripped off. This is one of the primary problems with cannabis tourists, and pretty much any tourist - they typically pay more primarily because they either don't know any better or they don't care. A primary reason why I halfheartedly support the idea to allow only EU citizens/residents to purchase and consume cannabis in The Netherlands. Not a problem for me, I live in the EU. This option is still being discussed within the Dutch Parliament. The only ones that will be affected by this idea would first be the non-EU cannabis tourist, then some shops, and then some other businesses such as hotels. Most of these businesses will recover, as stated in several reports, with the possible exception of those C/S's who depend on the cannabis tourist industry. IMO, most of the shops within 5 minutes walk of the Amsterdam Centraal Station would close in no time. A few other shops in cities such as Rotterdam, Eindhoven, and Maastricht would also close. I suppose all of this is mute as well.
One final thought on shops like Barney's, a shop that has evolved into a cannabis tourist trap: I remember when they first opened, what a place. Some regulars were know by name back then, but now you would have a hard time finding anyone from back in the day that frequents their shop much anymore, me included. But again, my point is mute, right? I only have 30+ years of experience to offer, but as some would say, learn the hard way grasshopper.

Peace

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 11:53 am
by Stanky Danky
Dirty Uncle Ron wrote: This is one of the primary problems with cannabis tourists, and pretty much any tourist - they typically pay more primarily because they either don't know any better or they don't care. A primary reason why I halfheartedly support the idea to allow only EU citizens/residents to purchase and consume cannabis in The Netherlands. Not a problem for me, I live in the EU.


So are you trying to tell me that that EU citizens are not cannabis tourists and never visit these boutique shops? There are probably more Europeans that visit these shops than Americans considering their proximity to the Netherlands. A discriminatory measure like only allowing Europeans into coffeeshops will never pass, and would not have the effect you desire anyway.

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 11:56 am
by Stanky Danky
Boner wrote:The growers set the price in Holland not the coffeeshops.
Not necesarily the truth. The coffeeshops decide how much they want to mark up the product.

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 01:04 pm
by Twichaldinho
Boner wrote:The growers set the price in Holland not the coffeeshops.
True, although, coffeeshops are forced by the Council to sell at a certain price.

MHD was explaining it to me in June, but I have compleatly forgot now :oops:

Something like doubling what they pay wholsale for the gram, so as to meet the tax put on each gram sold.
or something along those lines :? :D

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 01:25 pm
by Uncle Ron
Stanky Danky wrote:
Dirty Uncle Ron wrote: This is one of the primary problems with cannabis tourists, and pretty much any tourist - they typically pay more primarily because they either don't know any better or they don't care. A primary reason why I halfheartedly support the idea to allow only EU citizens/residents to purchase and consume cannabis in The Netherlands. Not a problem for me, I live in the EU.


So are you trying to tell me that that EU citizens are not cannabis tourists and never visit these boutique shops? There are probably more Europeans that visit these shops than Americans considering their proximity to the Netherlands. A discriminatory measure like only allowing Europeans into coffeeshops will never pass, and would not have the effect you desire anyway.
No, I am not trying to tell you that citizens of EU countries are not cannabis tourists (CT's), statistics prove that the majority of tourists to The Netherlands come from EU countries, so it is a safe assumption that the majority of CT's are from the EU. More on CT's at the end.
Nothing I have written has, is, or will be about Americans exclusively. I am an American and the last thing I would want is more anti-American sentiment. I invite you to perform a little research on the topic of the origins of tourists to The Netherlands. Here is a little taste: The US was reported as having less than 10% of total Dutch tourism in 2008. America isn't in the top 3.
http://www.nbtc.nl/corporate/en/system/ ... 145576.pdf
My point was to draw attention to what the Dutch government has and is looking at to further control the cannabis trade.
If I am not mistaken, the Dutch government at one time considered implementing a law which stated, in part, that only Dutch citizens would be allowed to purchase cannabis. The EU governing body remarked that this and similar laws would be against certain articles of the EU constitution. So, that idea has been shelved. I would however argue that this same governing body wouldn't have a problem if the Dutch government prohibited citizens of non-EU countries from purchasing cannabis. Why should or would they? The EU as a whole does not directly profit from the sale of cannabis in The Netherlands, the same way that New York doesn't profit from the sale of medical cannabis in California.

More on CT's. I consider a CT more or less a state of mind. To paraphrase, Dictionary.com defines "the Ugly ______" as: Pejorative term for _______ traveling or living abroad who remain ignorant of local culture and judge everything by _____ standards.
Fill in the blanks with any nationality. This somewhat fits my definition of a CT. If you lived here and were able to see for yourself, you probably would agree with my opinion, sad as it is.
Bottom line, my intent is to be insightful, informative, helpful, and kind (pun somewhat intended). :)

Peace.

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 01:30 pm
by Boner
http://mrlunk.blogspot.com/2009/12/by-n ... el-of.html

Sorry I should of posted this with my earlier comment but typical stoner I forgot.

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 01:51 pm
by Uncle Ron
Boner wrote:http://mrlunk.blogspot.com/2009/12/by-n ... el-of.html

Sorry I should of posted this with my earlier comment but typical stoner I forgot.
Excellent read, thanks Boner, a typical stoner. :)
Damn those Brits. :)
Actually, and seriously, damn those who run the large grows for export and charge locals a premium. Brink back the good old days.
I still think that regardless of reason, E17/g is way over the top, especially when there is much better gear to be had like White Widow for E7/g, Chocolope for E9.5/g, and SSH for E10/g from Abraxas, Dutch Flowers, and Mellow Yellow respectively.

Peace.

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 04:45 pm
by Adamster
It was proven that the FRENCH BELGEL ARE why the Dutch are trying to change laws!! cause of them coming to holland either causing PROBLEMS or ding illegal things like Robbing ppls car to get to AMD..
just in 2003 they found over 5000 car that was stolen in around AMD coming from these two countries... so :P
if i was the Dutch gouverment i wouldnt let any Belgiums or french come to holland witout proving why they are coming to holland if not for business resons! and would build a WALL :twisted:

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 05:18 pm
by liquidSwords
Boner wrote:The growers set the price in Holland not the coffeeshops.
I thought this Quaser/Quaze/Grinspoon was grown by the same grower... but it was only a thought, maybe i read this in a thread somewhere else on the forum... im sure this is now the 3rd Quaser/Quaze/Grinsppon thread!!!, time for a signature change Boner, lol

Then how comes Barneys sell their version for more than Grey Area and Bluebird?.

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 05:29 pm
by Boner
liquidSwords wrote:
Boner wrote:The growers set the price in Holland not the coffeeshops.
I thought this Quaser/Quaze/Grinspoon was grown by the same grower... but it was only a thought, maybe i read this in a thread somewhere else on the forum... im sure this is now the 3rd Quaser/Quaze/Grinsppon thread!!!, time for a signature change Boner, lol

Then how comes Barneys sell their version for more than Grey Area and Bluebird?.
I read it was a guy & a group of grower mates growing the DrG/Quaze..... but now Barneys are selling the seeds and I'm sure USBL said DNA/Grey Area had it in seed form (from Barneys) as well, as far as pricing is concerned that would still come down to what the growers are selling it for, GA may be buying it slightly cheaper or Barneys are just being greedy bastards (I'd guess the latter).

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 05:55 pm
by El Shedro 420
Thanks for all the comments. I'm more fearful than ever going to the Dam now, I feel like I'm going to be walking around with a giant sign around my neck saying "I'm a tourist, please rape me with your shit weed".

To try and fix this problem, can anyone suggest a nice welcoming coffee shop where I won't be treated like just another tourist in? I'm getting kinda fed up with this shit at this stage, I've been going at least twice a year for the past 10 years.

I've tried sparking up relationships with budtenders in various coffeeshops and the fact that there is a 6 month gap between visits, I find most of the time the stoned coffeeshop attendants can barely string a sentence together never mind remember who I am.

This is a holiday for me, so I tend not to have a chip on my shoulder about paying slightly above the odds for really top quality weed, but I agree wholeheartedly, €17 a gram is a rip off and I couldn't justify paying it regardless. I was just curious to why it was so expensive. "Boutique" says it all to me.

Thanks for the help

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 06:23 pm
by liquidSwords
El Shedro 420 wrote:Thanks for all the comments. I'm more fearful than ever going to the Dam now, I feel like I'm going to be walking around with a giant sign around my neck saying "I'm a tourist, please rape me with your shit weed".

To try and fix this problem, can anyone suggest a nice welcoming coffee shop where I won't be treated like just another tourist in? I'm getting kinda fed up with this shit at this stage, I've been going at least twice a year for the past 10 years.

I've tried sparking up relationships with budtenders in various coffeeshops and the fact that there is a 6 month gap between visits, I find most of the time the stoned coffeeshop attendants can barely string a sentence together never mind remember who I am.

This is a holiday for me, so I tend not to have a chip on my shoulder about paying slightly above the odds for really top quality weed, but I agree wholeheartedly, €17 a gram is a rip off and I couldn't justify paying it regardless. I was just curious to why it was so expensive. "Boutique" says it all to me.

Thanks for the help
Look mate, dont worry about a thing, YOU ARE A TOURIST, in every country you go to in this world, there will be someone trying to rip off the tourists..... Coffeeshops have a universal menu, not 1 for locals and 1 for tourists. Go in whereever you want, everywhere can be friendly, everywhere can have its problems, you make you own analysis on you own experiences :-)... main one is to have fun. You make pay 17 e/g in a coffeeshop for weed (Barneys), but some coffeeshops sell drinks for over 2e, a can of coke at much where im from is 70p (70 euro cent), and coffee as much as £1 (1e). I for one enjoyed the Grinspoon and enjoy the Barneys experience, we all know they are expensive, and for that reason i make it the 1st stop of my trips and the only stop. (althought i would pop into Barneys Lounge if walking past). Just make sure no-one takes advantage of you, like when i was in Hunters (a well respected coffeeshop, and the NYC Diesel was amazing), the budtender tried to take advatage of a stoned friend (gettin nowhere as were a bit more clued up than that, even when stoned) by trying to sell him 60% more than what he asked for. You should be able to look smell and some shops let you touch the buds (Although Hunters budtenders seem to get very aggitated if you look at more than 3 tubs). The weed is weighed up in front of you (unless in some shops where it is pre bagged). So really my friend, you shouldnt have any problems, and people in Amsterdam are really friendly even when stoned

A nice welcoming coffeeshop... most of them, i can suggest a few, Picasso, Paradox, Homegrown Fantasy and Siberie


Have a good un mate

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 06:28 pm
by bavlondon
Don't worry he will be so stoned anyway after his first smoke he will be wondering what he was even worrying about. :)

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 06:32 pm
by liquidSwords
bavlondon wrote:Don't worry he will be so stoned anyway after his first smoke he will be wondering what he was even worrying about. :)
lol, and the 1st smoke to clear up anything discussed on this thread should be a g of Grinspoon from Barneys!!! lol

Posted: Mon 25th Jan 2010 06:34 pm
by joeuk
lol, and the 1st smoke to clear up anything discussed on this thread should be a g of Grinspoon from Barneys!!! lol


haha yea deffo im gutted i didnt try it now