Cheese genetics, also UK Cheese vs. HGF Cheese

[Kermit]

Yea man, it just strikes me as a bit werid. The video seems to have an ulterior motive man.

I agree 100%, think there is even one for G13.

Alot of people argue on growing forums about whos is the real deal which TBH if they was all the one then they would be similar. (SAME CUTTING).

Its a make your own mind up kind of thing

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Yea man, i think it's pretty clear that the strain is unique, and those strains that are ' Cheese ' all share similar stone characteristics and smell. I've tired a few ' Cheese's' in the UK which have been very good. Fuck knows which one was the true cut. If any.

[Stanky Danky]

And we are forgetting the GREAT CHEESE DECEPTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRWfzzceVY

Posted about a year ago on this site by another member

That video is completely bogus. The plant that he claims is the original cheese might be white with resin and have larger than normal calyxes, but the removal of all it's leaves gives it the illusion of it being some sort of mutant super plant. Later in the video he also concedes that the original was a Skunk#1 pheno. Funny how the plant looks nothing like any Skunk#1 plants I've seen. Probably the least convincing conspiracy video I've seen on youtube. I would have given him one star if he hadn't disabled the ratings. Gee, wonder why he did that? Probably just trying to hide the emabarrasment of it being a two star video.

[PecosTheCat]

I don't know whether it is true or not, but I really enjoyed that video. Great production and soundtrack.

And we are forgetting the GREAT CHEESE DECEPTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRWfzzceVY

Posted about a year ago on this site by another member

[Kermit]

And we are forgetting the GREAT CHEESE DECEPTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRWfzzceVY

Posted about a year ago on this site by another member

That video is completely bogus. The plant that he claims is the original cheese might be white with resin and have larger than normal calyxes, but the removal of all it's leaves gives it the illusion of it being some sort of mutant super plant. Later in the video he also concedes that the original was a Skunk#1 pheno. Funny how the plant looks nothing like any Skunk#1 plants I've seen. Probably the least convincing conspiracy video I've seen on youtube. I would have given him one star if he hadn't disabled the ratings. Gee, wonder why he did that? Probably just trying to hide the emabarrasment of it being a two star video.

All seeds are different, you will never get the same pheno as other ones you see. Skunk#1 has been around a long time and has many different phenos, many of which you would not think are #1. You could grow thousands of seeds and never find it.

Search around the grow forums and you will get what i mean, there are alot of Skunk#1 phenos and people passing many off as cheese.

The truth is out there

[DrDiesel]

we get alot of cheese round my area, there are bout 4 types i have tried all from differant growers. the original was planted in Chiltern hills SE england.

[Stanky Danky]

And we are forgetting the GREAT CHEESE DECEPTION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYRWfzzceVY

Posted about a year ago on this site by another member

That video is completely bogus. The plant that he claims is the original cheese might be white with resin and have larger than normal calyxes, but the removal of all it's leaves gives it the illusion of it being some sort of mutant super plant. Later in the video he also concedes that the original was a Skunk#1 pheno. Funny how the plant looks nothing like any Skunk#1 plants I've seen. Probably the least convincing conspiracy video I've seen on youtube. I would have given him one star if he hadn't disabled the ratings. Gee, wonder why he did that? Probably just trying to hide the emabarrasment of it being a two star video.

All seeds are different, you will never get the same pheno as other ones you see. Skunk#1 has been around a long time and has many different phenos, many of which you would not think are #1. You could grow thousands of seeds and never find it.

Search around the grow forums and you will get what i mean, there are alot of Skunk#1 phenos and people passing many off as cheese.

The truth is out there

I agree that there are alot of people passing off their weed as cheese when it's really not. It's almost guaranteed to happen when there is so much hype around one strain, especially when it's clone only. That's not to say that real cheese does not exist as the video would have you believe. I do have to disagree about what you say about never getting the same pheno as others you see though. Some strains are very well stabalized and the same pheno will pop up regularly. I'm not sure how stabalized Skunk#1 is, but the plant in question bares absolutely no resemblance to any Skunk at all. Funny how this guy is the only one I've ever seen say that the plant was unique because of it's appearance and not it's smell. One lone nut job on youtube isn't enough to convince me.

[colinzeal]

This is my take on the cheese phenomenon, developed through reading, listening and having british grower friends.

Uk Cheese
What was essentially a mutant (read as non-standard) pheno of skunk no.1 is "discovered" and kept by the Exodus group in/near Luton. It comes from skunk no.1 seeds but has a unique set of terpenoids giving it a pungent smell and flavour. This clone only cutting gains celebrity in the uk growers circle.

In the UK at the time all good bud sold on the street is given the name Skunk or Super Skunk by dealers. Skunk's cropping potential and ease of growth means it pervades the uk growing and supply scene. The word Skunk becomes synonymous with quality bud. Later as the cheese legend becomes widely known Cheese is the name dealers use to sell their bud regardless of the genetic origins but in reality much of this is likely a high cropping skunk strain or cheese from Dutch seeds.

The UK Cheese still exists in clone only form but has become extremely valuable and difficult to come by. Friends of mine in the UK however have been able to obtain it for smoking through the scene and are allegedly obtaining cuttings in the near future (maybe they have it by now, i should find out). Its strong odour and overwhelming flavours are what marks it out from generally available cheese strains. To slightly misquote my friend "spark it up and the neighbours from 4 houses down will be knocking on your door". Heres a pic, allegedly genuine and recent.



Dutch Cheese

Dutch breeders obtained cuts of UK Cheese and began crossing it to obtain a more commercial plant suitable for cash cropping and seed production. Big Buddha and HGF backcross with Afghani to get their versions. These versions go on to be crossed by numerous breeders with other classics to give strains like Blue Cheese, So Gouda and Cheisel. With seeds now readily available cheese strains are able to pervade UK supply as well as become prominent on the menus of Dutch Coffeeshops. It is often said that HGF is fairly close to the UK Cheese in relative terms though their femmed seeds are not particularly stable.



I do not claim this is the absolute truth, simply my take on a confusing situation which is not helped by the commercial value in calling a strain cheese. I am sure that similar things occur across the water with strains such as OG Kush and G13.

[PecosTheCat]

I'm looking forward to trying the HGF Cheese during my visit in April.

[Cal X]

Do you know if the photo of the Dutch Cheese is the HGF version? What ever those breeders did really worked. By the way that doesn't look like a plant with skunk lineage to me. I'm not saying it's not a Skunk cross, of some kind, but that color is just crazy!

[colinzeal]

thats a photo of UK Cheese, the alleged Exodus original cut.....

i believe the point is that it is a rare or freak pheno of skunk and not one of the typical phenos hence why it was kept as a mother and cloned.

[Stanky Danky]

Do you know if the photo of the Dutch Cheese is the HGF version? What ever those breeders did really worked. By the way that doesn't look like a plant with skunk lineage to me. I'm not saying it's not a Skunk cross, of some kind, but that color is just crazy!

That pic is supposedly the Exodus Cheese cut. It's also the same pic featured in the youtube video. I don't think it looks like it has any skunk lineage either. According to the youtube video the plant was never cloned so that was the only one that ever existed. Another thing I think is suspicious is that pic looks like was taken with a digital camera, so the videos' claim that the pic is from 88 seems bogus to me.

[colinzeal]

A phenotype is any observable characteristic or trait of an organism: such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, or behavior.

In biology "morphology" is the study of the form, structure and configuration of an organism. This includes aspects of the outward appearance (shape, structure, colour, pattern)

It stands to reason therefore that a phenotype of a strain does not necessarily have to physically resemble your expectations of that strains appearance, does it not?

[Stanky Danky]

I agree that certain phenotypes will look distinctly different from plants of the same strain. However, you can search the internet far and wide and not find a pic of Cheese, or Skunk#1 that looks anything like this plant. You would think with how popular Cheese is in the UK there would be at least one other pic that looked similar to this, but there isn't.

[colinzeal]

indeed, but as i have pointed out i believe that the truth is that vast majority of "cheese" sold in the uk is not the original (exodus) cheese but either a cheese strain from the dutch lines or any strain and simply called cheese by the seller in order to make it seem more attractive to the naive buyer. According to my friends almost any non-specific strain on the street will be called cheese. the fact is that the Exodus Cheese in question is not prevalent in uk supply it is the "imposters" that are common.

anyway there is not really any way to know the truth, i certainly do not but it seems to me that strains can occassionally throw out rather freakish phenos. These phenotypes can be so different that they are isolated, stabilised and given a new name therefore becoming a new strain.