John Venables

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Knew you would say age But everyone can change

I am out of this thread, the protection and rehab of child killers aint my thing.

Dude, please don't view it as me doing that, i am not.

I am simply saying i support the move to have it remain a secret his exact charges atm.

Granted while also supporting a justice system which is based on rehabilitation.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

Knew you would say age But everyone can change

I am out of this thread, the protection and rehab of child killers aint my thing.

Dude, please don't view it as me doing that, i am not.

I am simply saying i support the move to have it remain a secret his exact charges atm.

Granted while also supporting a justice system which is based on rehabilitation.

problem with that though sir niall is that some people cant be rehabilitated, no matter how much moneys thrown at it, some people are just evil, &nothing can change that + whats wrong with vigilantiism?

[Marco]

Knew you would say age But everyone can change

I am out of this thread, the protection and rehab of child killers aint my thing.

Dude, please don't view it as me doing that, i am not.

I am simply saying i support the move to have it remain a secret his exact charges atm.

Granted while also supporting a justice system which is based on rehabilitation.

problem with that though sir niall is that some people cant be rehabilitated, no matter how much moneys thrown at it, some people are just evil, &nothing can change that + whats wrong with vigilantiism?

Cause it takes the justice out of the courts and onto the streets....how can this be good? Any system is imperfect but the alternative is anarchy,

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

problem with that though sir niall is that some people cant be rehabilitated, no matter how much moneys thrown at it, some people are just evil, &nothing can change that + whats wrong with vigilantiism?

I think that is a very valid criticism of my view man. However, for me, i feel that the system aimed towards rehilbiliation is extremely important, and although some people cannot be changed, that is not an enough to change the system.

But as i said before, i do believe most if not all behavior is learnt.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

when they killed james bulger they were very young, so some people could say they didnt fully understand their actions, me personally, i dont hold that view, but ok they were given the benefit of the doubt & the key was not thrown away, now i do agree with you sir niall, except in the most extreme cases i think people should have a 2nd chance in life especially if theyv'e served their time, but when theyv'e had that 2nd chance & still piss it away then imo thats it no more chances, &i definatly dont think he should be priviliged enough to keep his anonymity, wouldnt you want to know if he was the next door neigbour of a young family member?

[Boner]

But as i said before, i do believe most if not all behavior is learnt.

Stop posting stuff I have to respond to!

I have a friend who wasn't a part of his sons life for 15 years (he got reconnected when his kid was 16) and he told me he couldn't believe how much alike they are, things from mannerisms and behavior were very similar.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

when they killed james bulger they were very young, so some people could say they didnt fully understand their actions, me personally, i dont hold that view, but ok they were given the benefit of the doubt & the key was not thrown away, now i do agree with you sir niall, except in the most extreme cases i think people should have a 2nd chance in life especially if theyv'e served their time, but when theyv'e had that 2nd chance & still piss it away then imo thats it no more chances, &i definatly dont think he should be priviliged enough to keep his anonymity, wouldnt you want to know if he was the next door neigbour of a young family member?

Again Paulli another very good criticism of my view, as i am talking from a removed perspective, would i be so sure if it was personal? It's a hard one to answer.

This is the question that pulls me in two different directions, on one side i think yes it should still be preserved because of the risks to his personal safety. However, as you say, there has to be a limit when we say enough is enough. If we did these though, i'm sure it would be as good as signing his death penalty.

For me, this decision waits on if he is found guilty, if he is, it is hard to see how one can justify giving him another chance?

Although there is another theory to this, if Venables was indeed the one that showed remorse, as reports suggest. Then would be not expect him to be more likely to end up in jail again, as the remose and guilt may play on his mind and deeply effect him? This is just speculation of course, but worth considering imo. Although it is important not to allow this to turn into sympathy which results in us loosing our view on the nature of his previously crime.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

But as i said before, i do believe most if not all behavior is learnt.

Stop posting stuff I have to respond to!

I have a friend who wasn't a part of his sons life for 15 years (he got reconnected when his kid was 16) and he told me he couldn't believe how much alike they are, things from mannerisms and behavior were very similar.

Apologies dude!

That's really interesting dude, perhaps genes do have a part to play then. However, i don't know if there is an evil gene. I would suspect that behavior, because it is to do with attitudes not attributes, would be learnt?

[bavlondon]

Young or not you know you are doing something wrong when you kill someone in the manner they did. To kill in that fashion is a conscious act, it's not like say playing with a gun you found and you pull the trigger by accident.

It should have been glaringly obvious back then that these 2 should have been locked away for life at the very least. I don't know about Thompson but I read Venables has turned into a bit of a drug addict in his time out.

I hope someone gets to him inside.

[bavlondon]

But as i said before, i do believe most if not all behavior is learnt.

Stop posting stuff I have to respond to!

I have a friend who wasn't a part of his sons life for 15 years (he got reconnected when his kid was 16) and he told me he couldn't believe how much alike they are, things from mannerisms and behavior were very similar.

Apologies dude!

That's really interesting dude, perhaps genes do have a part to play then. However, i don't know if there is an evil gene. I would suspect that behavior, because it is to do with attitudes not attributes, would be learnt?

Could be some genetics in it but at the same time a bit part is your social upbringing, what sort of morals you are enstilled with from a young age.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

Indeed Bav.

There are of course those who believe that a person has no free will, and that all actions are predermined. Im talk of those who take this view from a secular viewpoint. That is the ultimate expression of ones upbringing deciding their future actions i guess.

[bavlondon]

I think the sad reality is that resources are stretched so thin in jails that there is no room to house them full time. It is already at a huge cost to the taxpayer and they are running out of room.

I'm speaking generally now but it seems in Britain there is no longer any sense of morals within local communites, there is nothing to deter people from committing these terrible crimes. Just look at those 2 brothers who tortured those other 2 kids. I don't want to sound like a extremist here but I think the death penalty needs to be re introduced. People are commiting violent crimes left right and center everywhere you look in the UK and they don't even give a shit. The police and social services are stretched thin to do anything about it either.

Rant over.

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 557191.stm

[Boner]

Just to balance things a little:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 555597.stm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HucgY0l6B9s

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 556826.stm

Comment from judge how originally allowed the anoyminity to be in place.