Campaign(?) - YOU decide

[sh@dy]

So guys, what would you say does a campaign for legalisation in Germany(or any country with similar laws) could look like?

What would you like to see?
To get an idea of what the situation is like here in Germany:
- people still have things on their mind like "gateway drug" and "people smoking dope must be losers", its like 50years ago
- it is possible to get medical marihuana, if you can prove that no other drug which is on the market is helping you with your suffering (there are around 5-6 people with a medical card)

I had the idea of creating flyers and posters which I will put around town first and then go on to other towns around here. On these flyers you will find a small sentense and the link to a website ,where people can inform themselves or download the flyers/posters to distribute them.
Maybe some ideas from people like the americans who have done good progress in the last years.

[Twitch]

The most useful things that have been done in the u.s. have been grassroots,
NORMAL... http://norml.org/
MPP ... http://www.mpp.org
and many years of patience.
Still not over but things are starting to look hopeful.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

hi sh@dy,
do you mind getting a criminal record? if not then start a medicinal dispensary for the sick, you will get arrested many times but as long as your not making a hefty profit then im sure most courts/jurys will be lenient, the more that open the more people will see the benefits & the ridiculous double standards which allow more dangerous pharmaceuticals to be legal. once medicinal dispensarys are commonplace, legalisation for the massess will soon follow,
good luck

[sh@dy]

hi sh@dy,
do you mind getting a criminal record? if not then start a medicinal dispensary for the sick, you will get arrested many times but as long as your not making a hefty profit then im sure most courts/jurys will be lenient, the more that open the more people will see the benefits & the ridiculous double standards which allow more dangerous pharmaceuticals to be legal. once medicinal dispensarys are commonplace, legalisation for the massess will soon follow,
good luck

yea, but to look "good" in the media, you`d have to have a medical card youself so people really think you`re doing it for the medicinal thing and not for profit or whatever.....dont you agree?

[Sir Niall of Essex-sire]

yea, but to look "good" in the media, you`d have to have a medical card youself so people really think you`re doing it for the medicinal thing and not for profit or whatever.....dont you agree?

Not always, the compassionate care giver is a positive role.

[sh@dy]

yea, but to look "good" in the media, you`d have to have a medical card youself so people really think you`re doing it for the medicinal thing and not for profit or whatever.....dont you agree?

Not always, the compassionate care giver is a positive role.

sure, but the court will rule you milder if you possess a card....2nd question is:
how do you get to those users? of course there are a few in your friends/family...?

[Ingwey Gooblebogger]

Guys, unfortunately, Germany, like most of continental Europe (and Scotland, by the way) has a legal system based on civil law and not one based on common law.

In civil law systems the laws are all codified and rigidly adhered to.

So, there is not as much lattitude for laws (or rulings) to be "interpreted" in the courts as there is under common law. England, Wales, the US, and most of the commonwealth countries use common law, so we have the advantagte of being able to change laws using the courts rather than simply in parliament.

In a civil law system the "it is a good cause" argument would not give you much leverage with the judge.

All is not lost though.

Shady, I think you might want to investigate whether there are German cannabis groups which already exist. I would also speak with representatives of the local political parties which might be sympathetic to the cause. (Such as the Greens, other left-leaning parties, and so on.)

For the medical issue, if you live in a university town, see if there are local researchers working in that field and take it from there. Most scientists are not swayed by the anti-cannabis propaganda and rely instead on the science..

[sh@dy]

Guys, unfortunately, Germany, like most of continental Europe (and Scotland, by the way) has a legal system based on civil law and not one based on common law.

In civil law systems the laws are all codified and rigidly adhered to.

So, there is not as much lattitude for laws (or rulings) to be "interpreted" in the courts as there is under common law. England, Wales, the US, and most of the commonwealth countries use common law, so we have the advantagte of being able to change laws using the courts rather than simply in parliament.

In a civil law system the "it is a good cause" argument would not give you much leverage with the judge.

All is not lost though.

Shady, I think you might want to investigate whether there are German cannabis groups which already exist. I would also speak with representatives of the local political parties which might be sympathetic to the cause. (Such as the Greens, other left-leaning parties, and so on.)

For the medical issue, if you live in a university town, see if there are local researchers working in that field and take it from there. Most scientists are not swayed by the anti-cannabis propaganda and rely instead on the science..

thats not 100% true here in germany at least.
if you go all the way up to the highest court, they are able to annual the existing law so the politicians have to re-design the law....this happens at least 1-2 times a year...without the highest court we would already be a police-state
thats how it happened people now are able to get this medical card, the highest court ruled against existing law saying that helping an individual with his desease also is a matter to the public (because in the law it says you can only grow/use it if you have a matter of public use)