Ever been socially persecuted for your pot smoking habits?

[Pauli Wallnuts]

b) does very little damage to the human body (without tobacco)

not true, although it dont contain as many man made chemicals as tobacco, it is just as much a carcenogenic, especially when smoking a j. smoking through a water pipe/bong will drastically cut down the dangers but they still exist

[Proffessor X]

I disagree, yes anything that you inhale that has been burnt has carcinogens and free radicals but

1) using a water pipe or bong causes the smoke to pass through the water in bubbles, the advantage being that it cools the smoke making it smoother to inhale. Some particles will dissociate in water but not many, so overall using a water pipe or bong has no distinct health benefits.

2) If using a vaporizer burning does not take place at all, this has huge health benefits over alternative methods.

Quick story to clarify what I meant by "does very little damage"

In my line of work I have a variety of collegues in the medical proffession.
One of whom is a very experienced mortician.
He told me that upon inspection of a persons lungs you can see no difference between someone who has lived in central london and is a non smoker and someone who smokes 20 cigarettes a day of the same age from a rural area.

It's all about relativity, I am 100% certain that having a few beers a week is far worse than having a few pure joints.

We still all get persecuted for our choices though

[cant_think]

b) does very little damage to the human body (without tobacco)

not true, although it dont contain as many man made chemicals as tobacco, it is just as much a carcenogenic, especially when smoking a j. smoking through a water pipe/bong will drastically cut down the dangers but they still exist

Actually what your saying isn't true, especially considering there isn't a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker, in fact most studies show that cannabis does the opposite and causes regression in cancer cells. Link here to National Cancer Institute http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/cont ... t/djm268v1 Obviously there are harms caused by inhaling heated plant matter into your lungs (damage to cillia etc), but even still - it is probably one of the safest things you can do. In fact this was said by a US Judge after a case involving many expert witnesses, "Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to man... safer than many foods we commonly consume." DEA Judge Francis L. Young, Sept. 6, 1988.

So whilst it's not completely harmless, the original point of very little damage to the human body is absolutely true. In fact you are far more likely to die from drinking too much water than smoking too much cannabis.

Also(back to the original topic), any of us living in a country where cannabis is illegal are persecuted on a daily basis. The discrimination applied in the arbitary laws of most countries is disgusting and if the same level of discrimination was applied to something such as race, gender, sexuality or even dress, there would be public uproar.

[Pauli Wallnuts]

b) does very little damage to the human body (without tobacco)

not true, although it dont contain as many man made chemicals as tobacco, it is just as much a carcenogenic, especially when smoking a j. smoking through a water pipe/bong will drastically cut down the dangers but they still exist

Actually what your saying isn't true, especially considering there isn't a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker, in fact most studies show that cannabis does the opposite and causes regression in cancer cells. Link here to National Cancer Institute http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/cont ... t/djm268v1 Obviously there are harms caused by inhaling heated plant matter into your lungs (damage to cillia etc), but even still - it is probably one of the safest things you can do. In fact this was said by a US Judge after a case involving many expert witnesses, "Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to man... safer than many foods we commonly consume." DEA Judge Francis L. Young, Sept. 6, 1988.

So whilst it's not completely harmless, the original point of very little damage to the human body is absolutely true. In fact you are far more likely to die from drinking too much water than smoking too much cannabis.

Also(back to the original topic), any of us living in a country where cannabis is illegal are persecuted on a daily basis. The discrimination applied in the arbitary laws of most countries is disgusting and if the same level of discrimination was applied to something such as race, gender, sexuality or even dress, there would be public uproar.

DC who lives in amsterdam has recently said on here that he has been having trouble with his lungs, this is someone who smokes cannabis every day, so it proves your theory wrong, because if it was right he wouldn't have any troubles, thats from the horses mouth.
+ how can you possibly claim,

it is probably one of the safest things you can do.

this is a dangerous comment which i hope you dont preach to younger impressionable people like your kids or nephews/nieces, its 1thing to be pro cannabis & an other to think its completely harmless

[cantona7]

[quote="melb-dam-lover" but they go home and drink full bottles of red wine without even blinking...[/quote]


its because alcohol is so ingrained into most cultures that its ok. people think because its not illegal its ok. same with pain killer poppers. because mj is illegal though people lump it in with the rest of the illegal drugs.

[Kingdoc]

[quote="melb-dam-lover" but they go home and drink full bottles of red wine without even blinking...

its because alcohol is so ingrained into most cultures that its ok. people think because its not illegal its ok. same with pain killer poppers. because mj is illegal though people lump it in with the rest of the illegal drugs.[/quote]



Quite cantona.

[chigusa]

especially considering there isn't a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker

that's cobblers. what you are saying here is that smoking pure cannabis will protect you from all other causes of lung cancer.
i will bet the house keys that there are many recorded cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers.

[PecosTheCat]

I think you guys are confusing cancer with other lung problems.

To this date I have never seen any data to indicate that cannabis smoking is linked to lung cancer. That being said, heavy cannabis smoking does cause lung problems such as bronchitis, etc. These problems are acute rather than chronic as far as I know. Personally, I prefer to vape weed and maybe have a smoke every once in a blue moon, or when smoking some hash.

not true, although it dont contain as many man made chemicals as tobacco, it is just as much a carcenogenic, especially when smoking a j. smoking through a water pipe/bong will drastically cut down the dangers but they still exist

Actually what your saying isn't true, especially considering there isn't a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker, in fact most studies show that cannabis does the opposite and causes regression in cancer cells. Link here to National Cancer Institute http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/cont ... t/djm268v1 Obviously there are harms caused by inhaling heated plant matter into your lungs (damage to cillia etc), but even still - it is probably one of the safest things you can do. In fact this was said by a US Judge after a case involving many expert witnesses, "Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to man... safer than many foods we commonly consume." DEA Judge Francis L. Young, Sept. 6, 1988.

So whilst it's not completely harmless, the original point of very little damage to the human body is absolutely true. In fact you are far more likely to die from drinking too much water than smoking too much cannabis.

Also(back to the original topic), any of us living in a country where cannabis is illegal are persecuted on a daily basis. The discrimination applied in the arbitary laws of most countries is disgusting and if the same level of discrimination was applied to something such as race, gender, sexuality or even dress, there would be public uproar.

DC who lives in amsterdam has recently said on here that he has been having trouble with his lungs, this is someone who smokes cannabis every day, so it proves your theory wrong, because if it was right he wouldn't have any troubles, thats from the horses mouth.
+ how can you possibly claim,

it is probably one of the safest things you can do.

this is a dangerous comment which i hope you dont preach to younger impressionable people like your kids or nephews/nieces, its 1thing to be pro cannabis & an other to think its completely harmless

[cant_think]

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[cant_think]

not true, although it dont contain as many man made chemicals as tobacco, it is just as much a carcenogenic, especially when smoking a j. smoking through a water pipe/bong will drastically cut down the dangers but they still exist

Actually what your saying isn't true, especially considering there isn't a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker, in fact most studies show that cannabis does the opposite and causes regression in cancer cells. Link here to National Cancer Institute http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/cont ... t/djm268v1 Obviously there are harms caused by inhaling heated plant matter into your lungs (damage to cillia etc), but even still - it is probably one of the safest things you can do. In fact this was said by a US Judge after a case involving many expert witnesses, "Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to man... safer than many foods we commonly consume." DEA Judge Francis L. Young, Sept. 6, 1988.

So whilst it's not completely harmless, the original point of very little damage to the human body is absolutely true. In fact you are far more likely to die from drinking too much water than smoking too much cannabis.

Also(back to the original topic), any of us living in a country where cannabis is illegal are persecuted on a daily basis. The discrimination applied in the arbitary laws of most countries is disgusting and if the same level of discrimination was applied to something such as race, gender, sexuality or even dress, there would be public uproar.

DC who lives in amsterdam has recently said on here that he has been having trouble with his lungs, this is someone who smokes cannabis every day, so it proves your theory wrong, because if it was right he wouldn't have any troubles, thats from the horses mouth.
+ how can you possibly claim,

it is probably one of the safest things you can do.

this is a dangerous comment which i hope you dont preach to younger impressionable people like your kids or nephews/nieces, its 1thing to be pro cannabis & an other to think its completely harmless

It's not my theory, I don't have a theory on cannabis - I aren't a scientist, although I do base my opinion on the available facts, rather than intuition and andecdotes. What relevance does the fact that someone lives in Amsterdam, smokes cannabis and has problems with his lungs have to do with Cannabis causing cancer? I have never said that it is completely harmless, (if you read what I wrote you would see I mention the fact that heated plant matter is bad for your lungs) I said its probably one of the safest things you can do, which it is.

[cant_think]

especially considering there isn't a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker

that's cobblers. what you are saying here is that smoking pure cannabis will protect you from all other causes of lung cancer.
i will bet the house keys that there are many recorded cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers.

So first, you call something I say 'cobblers', but then you aren't sure that there are many cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers as you say you will bet the house keys but don't provide numbers of how many there is. This is from the emporer wears no clothes and is based on evidence from a Dr. Tashkin, M.D., UCLA - who initially predicted there would be many cases of lung cancer caused by cannabis by now http://www.digitalhemp.com/eecdrom/HTML ... H15_08.HTM and there is much more modern research on the anti tumour effects of cannabis. Or if you don't trust that, heres a wiki entry with cited resources at Harvard University and UCLA -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_ca ... ry_disease

[chigusa]

yes, i called something you wrote cobblers. i was quite correct to do this as your statement that there hasn't been a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker implies that smoking only cannabis prevents the onset of lung cancer from other causes.

when i tell you that, "i will bet the house keys that there are many recorded cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers", it means that i am sure that there are many cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers.


please note that i am not saying that smoking pure cannabis causes lung cancer, i couldn't care less about that. what i am saying is that smoking cannabis in any way, does not prevent the onset of lung cancer. or cure it.

i have never come across such an apt user name. you really can't, can you?

[mrdcotor]

Nice thread! it's important to compare the presence and level of preconceptions around world.
Here in Italy they are at an high level: the majority of people is really afraid of and even more than in the past (like the '70) due to a continual propaganda about MJ as a "drug, like all the others" by the conservative like Mr.Berlusconi. A relatively small part of society, instead, have a really relaxed attitude (probably because they are the sympathizers of socialism and so they pay attention to the claims of minorities).
Btw it's normal to hear from persons really bad comments about weed or stoners: they still think weed could fuck up an adult brain making him like a vegetable faster than watching an entire season of "The Big Brother" show.
In the tv news or on papers they try to paint the MJ users like a bunch of addicted, unuseful to mankind and harmful for theirself plus who is around.
In the Media other opinions, even science proof like "MJ it's less danger than alcool", are painted like weird ideas.
Personally I was discriminated uncountable times: from girlfriends' mothers wich told them I was "different" or "ill" due to my habit, cops wich told me "If u was my son I'll kill you" founding hemp during a search, many ppl refused me as a friend cause they felt like was relating with a criminal or a bad brain.
I hope ppl minds will change and maybe oneday fight the propaganda but, most important, I hope everyone of us will live their habits freely just to show to those people we all are humans like them and nothing to be afraid of.

not true, although it dont contain as many man made chemicals as tobacco, it is just as much a carcenogenic, especially when smoking a j. smoking through a water pipe/bong will drastically cut down the dangers but they still exist

Vaporize it!

or eat it, if you don't have a Volcano

[cant_think]

yes, i called something you wrote cobblers. i was quite correct to do this as your statement that there hasn't been a single case of lung cancer recorded in a cannabis only smoker implies that smoking only cannabis prevents the onset of lung cancer from other causes.

when i tell you that, "i will bet the house keys that there are many recorded cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers", it means that i am sure that there are many cases of lung cancer in cannabis only smokers.


please note that i am not saying that smoking pure cannabis causes lung cancer, i couldn't care less about that. what i am saying is that smoking cannabis in any way, does not prevent the onset of lung cancer. or cure it.

i have never come across such an apt user name. you really can't, can you?

No I can't, you are of such a superior intellect, you need not bring any facts to conversation - as your opinion is much more valid on it's own.

[Uncle Ron]

I'm not talking about tobacco. Purely marijuana..

Not personally, however I have witnessed others being persecuted, as you describe.
I tend to consume my gear either in private or social circles where its use is tolerated.

With over ten years of experience working as a health care provider, I can attest that smoking cannabis does damage the lungs, to some extent. As for a direct connection between smoking cannabis and lung cancer, stay tuned.

If anyone is concerned about the affects that smoking has on the lungs, I have a one word solution - vaporize. ''