News: Amsterdam wants to experiment with coffee shops

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News: Amsterdam wants to experiment with coffee shops

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http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AMSTER ... shop.dhtml

very crappy google translate:
AMSTERDAM - The Amsterdam city council wants to experiment with coffee shops. In de ene variant zouden drugs alleen ter plekke geconsumeerd mogen worden. In one variant drug would only be consumed locally. De andere biedt alleen een afhaalloket met de openingstijden van een winkel. The other has only one takeaway counter with the opening of a store.


Dat zijn ideeën waarmee waarnemend burgemeester Lodewijk Asscher denkt overlast van coffeeshops te kunnen bestrijden. These are ideas that Deputy Mayor Lodewijk Asscher nuisance think of coffee shops to fight. Deze nieuwe vormen van coffeeshops zouden in stadsdelen kunnen komen waar nu geen gereguleerde verkoop van softdrugs is. These new types of coffee shops would be able to get where districts are not regulated sale of soft drugs is. Ook komt er uitgebreid onderzoek naar bezoekers en overlast rond coffeeshops. There will also be extensive research into visitors and nuisance around coffee shops.

Amsterdam wil op deze manier ingaan op een verzoek van het rijk om onderzoek naar de bestrijding van overlast rond coffeeshops. Amsterdam would thus respond to a request from the state to study the control of nuisance around coffee shops. Aan de andere kant kan het helpen om coffeeshops te spreiden over de stad, wat al lang een wens is van de gemeenteraad. On the other hand, help coffee shops spread across the city, which have long been a wish of the council.

Amsterdam stond aanvankelijk sceptisch tegenover de uitnodiging van het rijk voor dit onderzoek. Amsterdam was originally skeptical about the invitation from the state for this study. Het rijk mikt op kleinschaligere coffeeshops. The empire is aiming at smaller coffee shops. Amsterdam ziet de oplossing voor de criminaliteit rond de branche in het reguleren van 'de achterdeur': de teelt en groothandel van softdrugs. Amsterdam sees the solution to crime around the industry in regulating the 'back door': the cultivation and trade of soft drugs. Een onderzoek daarnaar was ook opgenomen in het collegeakkoord. An investigation into the college was also included in agreement. Maar het rijk wil daar niet aan. But the rich do not want to.

De gemeente Eindhoven heeft overigens wel een verzoek ingediend om een proef te beginnen met gereguleerde wietteelt. The municipality of Eindhoven has also made a request for a trial to begin controlled cannabis cultivation.

Er is al onderzoek gaande in de stadsdelen Oost en West naar de bezoekers en de redenen waarom mensen naar de coffeeshop komen. There is already under investigation in the districts east and west to the visitors and the reasons why people come to the coffee shop.
Daarna moet er een veel omvangrijk onderzoek komen bij zo'n vijftig coffeeshops. Then there is a lot of extensive research to come fifty coffeeshops. Alle stadsdelen, met uitzondering van Centrum, worden daarbij betrokken. All parts, except center, are involved. Volgens de gemeente wijkt de situatie in de binnenstad te veel af. According to the city differs from the situation in the city too much away.

Er komen enquêtes onder bewoners, ook in wijken waar geen coffeeshops zijn gevestigd. There are surveys of residents in neighborhoods where there are no coffee shops are located. Per coffeeshop wordt in kaart gebracht of de omzet uit de softdrugsverkoop of de horeca komt. Per coffeeshop is mapped or turnover from the sale or trade is soft. Daarbij zijn de Belastingdienst, de politie en justitie betrokken. Plus the tax, police and judiciary involved. Ook de klachten worden gemeten. The complaints are measured.

Pas na dit tweede onderzoek kan het experiment worden gestart met de café- of winkelachtige coffeeshops. Only after this second study, the experiment started with the cafe-style coffee shops or shopping. Dat kan op bestaande, maar ook op nieuwe locaties zijn. This can be existing, but also to new locations. Het experiment zal op zijn vroegst volgend jaar beginnen. The experiment will start next year at the earliest. Op dit moment is de verkoop van softdrugs alleen gedoogd in horecagelegenheden. At present, sales of soft drugs tolerated only in restaurants. (ADDIE SCHULTE) (ADDIE SCHULTE)


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AMSTERDAM - The municipality of Amsterdam wants to experiment with coffee shops. In one variant drug would only be consumed locally. In one variant only be consumed locally Would drug. The other has only one takeaway counter with the opening of a store. The other HAS only one takeaway counter with the opening of a store.


These are ideas that Deputy Mayor Lodewijk Asscher believes nuisance from coffee shops to fight. These are Ideas that Deputy Mayor Lodewijk Asscher think nuisance or coffee shops to Fight. These new types of coffee shops were in districts which may come now is not a regulated sale of soft drugs. These new types of coffee shops in the district Were Which May Come Now is not a regulated sale of soft drugs. There will also be extensive research into visitors and nuisance around coffee shops. There Will Also be extensification key research and nuisance visitors around coffeeshops.

Amsterdam respond to a request Would Galanthus from the state to study the control of nuisance around coffeeshops. On the other hand, help coffee shops spread across the city, which has long been a desire of the council. On The Other Hand, help coffee shops spread across the city, Which HAS long leg a desire of the council.

Amsterdam was originally skeptical about the invitation from the state for this study. Amsterdam Originally Skeptical about the invitation from the state for this study. The empire is aiming at smaller coffee shops. The kingdom AIMS at smaller coffee shops. Amsterdam sees the solution to crime around the industry in regulating the 'back door': the cultivation and trade of soft drugs. Amsterdam sees the solution to crime around the business in Regulating the back door: the cultivation and trade of soft drugs. An investigation into the college was also included in agreement. An Investigation Into the college Also included in the agreement. But the rich do not want to. But the rich do not Want To.

The municipality of Eindhoven has also made a request for a trial to begin controlled cannabis cultivation. The municipality of Eindhoven HAS Also made a request for a trial to start controlled cannabis cultivation.

Already there is under investigation in the county east and west to the visitors and the Reasons why people come to the coffee shop.
Then there is a lot of extensive research to come fifty coffeeshops. Then there is a lot of research to come extensification fifty coffeeshops. All parts, except center, are involved. All parts, Except center, are Involved. According to the city differs from the situation in the city too much away. , According to the city from the differential situation in the city too much away.

There are surveys of residents in neighborhoods where there are no coffee shops are located. There are surveys of residents in Neighborhoods Where There are no coffee shops are located. Per coffeeshop is mapped or turnover from the sale or trade is soft. Per coffeeshop is mapped or turnover from the sale or trade is soft. Plus the tax, police and judiciary involved. Plus the Tax Authorities, the Police and Judiciary Involved. The complaints are measured. The complaints are measured.

Only after this second study, the experiment started with the cafe-style coffee shops or shopping. Only after this second study, the experiment started with the cafe-style coffee shops or shopping. This can be existing, but also to new locations. Can this be existing, but Also to new locations. The experiment will start next year at the earliest. Will start the experiment next year at the Earliest. At present, the sale of soft drugs tolerated only in restaurants. At present, the sale of soft drugs tolerated only in restaurants.
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Post by Panog »

Not sure I understood everything...
Amsterdam wants to open new "fly and buy" CS, and maybe new CS where you can smoke ?? If it's that, it's a good news
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"The empire is aiming at smaller coffee shops."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5blbv4WFriM
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Amsterdam to launch soft drugs trial

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Amsterdam to launch soft drugs trial
19 June 2010

Amsterdam wants to experiment with different kinds of bars which sell cannabis and hashish to reduce trouble resulting from the soft drugs trade.

The trial involves two types of "coffee shops". In one, drugs have to be used on the spot; in the other, drugs can only be bought.

Under the current rules, soft drugs can only be bought in certain bars and cafés. Critics say the combination causes problems because drugs users hang about. It also makes the soft drugs trade harder to control.

The experiment with the "coffee shops" is part of a government plan. Amsterdam wanted to crack down on crime surrounding soft drugs by toughening conditions required to grow cannabis. The government, however, opposes regulating the proliferating cannabis plantations.

Growing cannabis is illegal in the Netherlands. Its cultivation, however, has become a booming trade, which supplies coffee shops as well as foreign demand. Police and the public prosecutor say organised crime is heavily involved.

The trial in Amsterdam is to start next year at the earliest. Trouble surrounding "coffee shops" will first be documented in detail.

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Puffin13 wrote:Amsterdam to launch soft drugs trial
19 June 2010

Amsterdam wants to experiment with different kinds of bars which sell cannabis and hashish to reduce trouble resulting from the soft drugs trade.

The trial involves two types of "coffee shops". In one, drugs have to be used on the spot; in the other, drugs can only be bought.

Under the current rules, soft drugs can only be bought in certain bars and cafés. Critics say the combination causes problems because drugs users hang about. It also makes the soft drugs trade harder to control.

The experiment with the "coffee shops" is part of a government plan. Amsterdam wanted to crack down on crime surrounding soft drugs by toughening conditions required to grow cannabis. The government, however, opposes regulating the proliferating cannabis plantations.

Growing cannabis is illegal in the Netherlands. Its cultivation, however, has become a booming trade, which supplies coffee shops as well as foreign demand. Police and the public prosecutor say organised crime is heavily involved.

The trial in Amsterdam is to start next year at the earliest. Trouble surrounding "coffee shops" will first be documented in detail.

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Sounds like BS politics and nothing else.

- where you have to consume on the premises.

What's the point? You can always buy elsewhere? No idiot will go to a coffeeshop that forces you to smoke it there and then (no doubt you'll have to buy a drink too).

And what if people try to take their weed with them? Possession will now be illegal? This is flawed.



- where you must take away.

How does this stop crime or make the place safer? People can still congregate outside and you can't do anything about it.

Case in point, Boerejongens is a local place where everyone flies and buys (I've never seen anyone smoke there and I think they officially made themselves smoke free), the local council actually forbid smoking on the street (you may have seen these signs in some areas).

Local street police (not really police) are employed to keep order in the area because tons of jongens (youths) end up hanging outside by the canal and smoking (see it for yourself here: link). Nobody is forced to move on and nobody causes any trouble or crime.



Political and nothing else. I actually think it is harmless, this experiment. Hopefully it will keep the antis busy for a while.
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^ +1

The only promising part is the desire to eliminate 'the back door' through legal cultivation.
The rest is BS.
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Puffin13 wrote:Amsterdam to launch soft drugs trial
19 June 2010

Amsterdam wants to experiment with different kinds of bars which sell cannabis and hashish to reduce trouble resulting from the soft drugs trade.

The trial involves two types of "coffee shops". In one, drugs have to be used on the spot; in the other, drugs can only be bought.

Under the current rules, soft drugs can only be bought in certain bars and cafés. Critics say the combination causes problems because drugs users hang about. It also makes the soft drugs trade harder to control.

The experiment with the "coffee shops" is part of a government plan. Amsterdam wanted to crack down on crime surrounding soft drugs by toughening conditions required to grow cannabis. The government, however, opposes regulating the proliferating cannabis plantations.

Growing cannabis is illegal in the Netherlands. Its cultivation, however, has become a booming trade, which supplies coffee shops as well as foreign demand. Police and the public prosecutor say organised crime is heavily involved.

The trial in Amsterdam is to start next year at the earliest. Trouble surrounding "coffee shops" will first be documented in detail.

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As with many articles on that site, the translation here leaves a lot to be desired. There are so many factual errors for one...you cannot buy cannabis in bars, period.

The only problem with soft drug is caused by the government, which does not allow cultivation. If there are problems with noise, etc around particular coffeeshops, that is a police issue. But the Dutch police are impotent when dealing the anti-social trouble-makers.
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Marco wrote: The only problem with soft drug is caused by the government, which does not allow cultivation. If there are problems with noise, etc around particular coffeeshops, that is a police issue. But the Dutch police are impotent when dealing the anti-social trouble-makers.
Is this really true? I'm yet to find one coffeeshop that encourages anti-social behaviour. The street police or whatever their official name is (the usually Moroccan guys in the black jackets with a title printed on the back) and even the regular police don't seem to tolerate any BS.

And I don't think people cause trouble much anyway if they're smoking, compared to drinking.

I could be wrong though. Maybe there are some coffeeshops that blight their communities.
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wietroker wrote:
Marco wrote: The only problem with soft drug is caused by the government, which does not allow cultivation. If there are problems with noise, etc around particular coffeeshops, that is a police issue. But the Dutch police are impotent when dealing the anti-social trouble-makers.
Is this really true? I'm yet to find one coffeeshop that encourages anti-social behaviour. The street police or whatever their official name is (the usually Moroccan guys in the black jackets with a title printed on the back) and even the regular police don't seem to tolerate any BS.

And I don't think people cause trouble much anyway if they're smoking, compared to drinking.

I could be wrong though. Maybe there are some coffeeshops that blight their communities.




Never seen any fights/weapons or anything near a coffeeshop,I did see someone pass out once thou :lol:.
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This is more than likely not going to happen is it?

Seems quite stupid to me and another thing, who ever saw a fight between to stoners? The last thing on my mind when baked is going out and starting something!
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they force you to smoke where you buy?

"Hey, you still got 2g of that Terminator"
"I need to drive home"
"But not before you smoke the whole!"
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