the end of freedom

[Uncle Ron]

Let the capitalists have their way with their large farms, mass producing bud ala McDonalds. The people will decide whether or not the quality is worth the price. For those who think it not, hopefully there is a Mom and Pop store close by.

My advice - decide now which one of your thumbs will be designated the green one.

[Stanky Danky]

An article from Newsweek about the large scale farms and legilisation. Watch the video too, it's pretty good.

http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/21/oakl ... ?GT1=43002

[weedhog]

I do see USBL's point, but at the same time I beleive Cali owes it to those of us who have paid the ultimate price (jail), to legalise.
ANything is better than the current situation we have now here in the US.
I mean as great as A-dam is look at the effed up laws even they have (the distribution)
Those of us who want good herb either already grow our own or have a good connect those that don't will be able to go to herbmart.
I beleive alot of those against it are because they are afraid of losing their profits, but I beleive this is misguided, sure itll prolly be the end of $60-$70 1/8ths but there will be still be profits to be made, less on each bag but more ability for more volume.

[USbongLord]

if its 60 to 70 eighths...the profits gonna be unfing baleevabe thats alot more than most people are paying now i believe....they just need the right people runnin it and that aint gonna happen....damn

[weedhog]

Yeah USBL most of these "compassion" clubs are charging between 60-70 per 1/8. I beleive this is ridiculous considering they pay between 3500-4000 per lb for primo (OG Kush, Puple Kush, Sour Diesel, etc). I mean this is street prices.
As I said before I dont think the bottom will fall out of the market if legaized but will prolly settle in the $30-40 per 1/8th range which I beleive to be fair, Im not talking out my arse here either I have grown for alot of years and have family that have grown and sold for near 30 years.
I just cant see the BS propaganda lasting many more years even here in the US, We have to many people in the voting and making things happen stage of life who will not beleive the hype of the 40's!

[Uncle Ron]

1/8th = $60-$70
Oz (28 grams) = $480-$560
Gram = $17-$20 per gram

Above converted to Euros @ 1e = $1.32 (current rate)
3.5 grams = 45-53
28 grams = 363-424
Gram = 12.90-15.15

The price per gram in the above example is approximately the same price as top-end Sativas in C/S's in The Netherlands.

The last time I grew using my grow box set-up, the total cost was approximately 350 Euros. The total weight of the harvest was approximately 590 grams (5 plants). The cost per gram was 0.59 Euro or $0.78. WOW.
As USBL stated, the profits are going to be unbelievable, even if they charge half of what Dispensaries currently charge. I would guess that once weed becomes legal, the Dispensaries will probably lower their prices to stay competitive, not to mention remaining open for business.

I think $30-$40 is still too high. With the type of massive grows that has been suggested, the cost per gram would be minuscule. I would guesstimate their costs to be less than $0.10 per gram, probably lower, and I am considering in my guesstimate expenses such as salaries, insurance, packaging, advertising, transportation, etc....

Initially, prices will probably be near what has been suggested, $17-$20 per gram, but I think once the newness wears off the prices will settle down. Given that the grow cost per gram can be anywhere from nothing (free seed planted outdoors) to $0.78 as in my example, I think the price per gram should be around $8-$10. Also given is that this is a business, and the bottom line means everything, reality tells me that the price will most likely be what has been mentioned, about $30-$40 per 1/8th.

Time will tell.

[USbongLord]

just as a side note ron...dropping a gram below 10 bucks is gonna hurt the small businesses...just saying,electric,supplies,matinence,etc....bigger ops can deal with this but its gonna hurt the smaller ops....if you got sumptim special grow the fuck out of that to make up for the losses on yer regs...gonna be fun...no ones gettin PAULVERIZER....never ever even thought of pricing strains different prices..heads are gonna explode....round here,ak47 costs the same as mk ultra as cheisel...ya get whats there and everyone seems happy....theres alot of overthinkin going on in my head...its the charmageddon talkin

[Stanky Danky]

1/8th = $60-$70
Oz (28 grams) = $480-$560
Gram = $17-$20 per gram

I think your numbers are a bit high. Alot of dispensaries offer $45 1/8ths and don't charge more than $60 for top shelf. Some dispensaries charge more, but I think people with half a brain know how to avoid these places. As far as ounces go most can be had for $400 or less, some will charge more for an OG or a rare connisseur type strain. The gram estimate might be a bit low though. I know some dispensaries are known to rape the consumer and charge up to $30 a gram. If legaliztion does occur prices might not go down because of the tax they are proposing, they might actually go up. Even if massive grow ops up the supply and lower prices the tax they add on top could be more than the difference.

[weedhog]

First let me say its a pleasure to chat with some obviously knowlegeable people.
I do agree you can grow for way cheaper, no doubt about that.
I beleive the prices will be much lower, in fact so much lower the "hassle" of growing will not be worth it for most.
I mean once the cigerette companies get involved with their huge automated factories and perfectly uniform crops pumped full of who knows what!
I beleive it will be just like whiskey is sold in different strengths (ie: 80 proof 90 proof etc).
While I dont see them being able to produce connesuier weeds and so called elites in large quatities, the fact is most of the really top shelf herbs do not produce well. I do beleive they will be able to produce some potent buds just not the best.
P.S. Boner I will have to try the MK Ultra again seing how you always go on about it. I had some from a very seasoned grower and I wasnt that impressed, especially considering the parentage, compared to the g-13 clone weed I been getting for years it was a little weak...maybe he just got an inferior pheno type....

[cantona7]

1/8th = $60-$70
Oz (28 grams) = $480-$560
Gram = $17-$20 per gram

I think your numbers are a bit high. Alot of dispensaries offer $45 1/8ths and don't charge more than $60 for top shelf. Some dispensaries charge more, but I think people with half a brain know how to avoid these places. As far as ounces go most can be had for $400 or less, some will charge more for an OG or a rare connisseur type strain. The gram estimate might be a bit low though. I know some dispensaries are known to rape the consumer and charge up to $30 a gram. If legaliztion does occur prices might not go down because of the tax they are proposing, they might actually go up. Even if massive grow ops up the supply and lower prices the tax they add on top could be more than the difference.

i'd say those numbers are accurate. there have been eights in california for as high as $120 (no joke) and although this obviously isn't the norm 60 caps arent rare at all. look at that chubbs guys menu. he kinda talks down at that 45 per gram weed. here in seattle the weed i get at the co-ops has been as expensive as 25 a gram and as cheap as $10 a gram. its usually 10-15 though.

[Stanky Danky]

i'd say those numbers are accurate.

I was thinking more as an average. I know prices can get ridiculous, but $70 1/8ths are far from the norm. If a dispensary does charge that it's only for one or two strains, the rest are usually $60 or less.

[weedhog]

Thats why I said 60-70. Most are charging 60 per 1/8 and some 70 per 1/8 for elites. Like I said I realize the reason on the elites is because as the grower you tend to give up alot of quantity for quality but still even after paying for seeds/clones, nutes and electric, you will have at most $5-7 per 1/8th, and the main reason for these high prices is the quasi-illegal status of marijuana right now. You make it legal and that price will go way down.
Also, is my point in the fact I am worried prop 19 wont pass, folks will do ALOT to protect their almighty dollar even allow other to suffer ie: jail.

[USbongLord]

thats me on the mk ultra..boner on the c-99

[Uncle Ron]

1/8th = $60-$70
Oz (28 grams) = $480-$560
Gram = $17-$20 per gram

I think your numbers are a bit high.

Not my numbers, I used the numbers from weedhog's post in my example. From watching videos about dispensaries and seeing the prices, I would guess average gear goes for $40-$50 for an 1/8th, $11.40 per gram. I did notice a couple of the dispensaries, in LA, charging $20 and $25 (15-19 Euros) for Kush varieties. Greedy little fuckers. Someone is making some serious money.

As I explained in my example, cost me $0.78 per gram indoors. I'm willing to bet their suppliers cost is considerably less. My theory is that the larger the crop, the lower the cost per gram. Think SCROG or SOG, 10+ plants per square meter. I grew 5 plants in a 1 sq meter grow box using a 400w MH/HPS and netted nearly 600 grams. Imagine what they can do?

From what I've read and heard (taken with a grain of salt), a typical commercial grower will use cuttings; hydroponics; 1000w MH/HPS; CO2 injection system; uses individual nutrients - Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium (N, P, K) instead of premixes such as Miracle Grow; and so on... Using this type of set-up w/SOG should net at least 1000gms per sq meter, if not more. The only significant expense would be electricity. The national commercial average per kWh is $0.0976 http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electricit ... 5_6_b.html multiplied by the total kWh used (1176 - 24hrs x 21 days + 12 hrs x 56 days) equals $144.77 per lamp. For planning purposes, a 1000w light effectively covers an 8' x 8' area, slightly less than 3sq meters. http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com ... 6_237.html

Using the data above, a 1000w HPS covering 3 sq meters equals 3000 grams. Divide the cost of electricity ($144.77) by the amount of grams (3000), and the cost is $0.04 per gram. Using tap water ($3 per 1000 gallons) will cost less than $3 per lamp. Buying nutrients in bulk will cost pennies per plant. Using these figures, the cost to grow per lamp is approximately $150 or $0.05 per gram. There are other costs that have to be considered such as salaries, rent, insurance, packaging materials, etc... Even with these added costs, the price per gram should still be under $.50 per gram. Something to think about: Street price per gram = $15; approximate grams per 1000w lamp = 3000; potential revenue per lamp = $45,000. Fade in Pink Floyd's Money.

Sorry about the long post, a combination of Basjoe's Amnesia and having Business as my college major.

[weedhog]

Only problem I see in your math is that most experienced growers will get 1000-1500 grams per 1k watt, not 3k for one 1k light.