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A Dutch City Seeks to End Drug Tourism

Posted: Wed 18th Aug 2010 06:49 am
by Puffin13
A Dutch City Seeks to End Drug Tourism
August 17, 2010
By SUZANNE DALEY

MAASTRICHT, the Netherlands — On a recent summer night, Marc Josemans’s Easy Going Coffee Shop was packed. The lines to buy marijuana and hashish stretched to the reception area where customers waited behind glass barriers.

Most were young. Few were Dutch.

Thousands of “drug tourists” sweep into this small, picturesque city in the southeastern part of the Netherlands every day — as many as two million a year, city officials say. Their sole purpose is to visit the city’s 13 “coffee shops,” where they can buy varieties of marijuana with names like Big Bud, Amnesia and Gold Palm without fear of prosecution.

It is an attraction Maastricht and other Dutch border cities would now gladly do without. Struggling to reduce traffic jams and a high crime rate, the city is pushing to make its legalized use of recreational drugs a Dutch-only policy, banning sales to foreigners who cross the border to indulge. But whether the European Union’s free trade laws will allow that is another matter.

The case, now wending its way through the courts, is being closely watched by legal scholars as a test of whether the European Court of Justice will carve out an exception to trade rules — allowing one country’s security concerns to override the European Union’s guarantee of a unified and unfettered market for goods and services.

City officials say they have watched with horror as a drug tolerance policy intended to keep Dutch youth safe — and established long before Europe’s borders became so porous — has morphed into something else entirely. Municipalities like Maastricht, in easy driving distance from Belgium, France and Germany, have become regional drug supply hubs.

Maastricht now has a crime rate three times that of similar-size Dutch cities farther from the border. “They come with their cars and they make a lot of noise and so on,” said Gerd Leers, who was mayor of Maastricht for eight years. “But the worst part is that this group, this enormous group, is such an attractive target for criminals who want to sell their own stuff, hard stuff, and they are here too now.”

In recent years, crime in Maastricht, a city of cobblestone lanes and medieval structures, has included a shootout on the highway, involving a Bulgarian assassin hired to kill a rival drug producer.

Mr. Leers used to call the possibility of banning sales to foreigners a long shot. But last month, Maastricht won an early round. The advocate general for the European Court of Justice, Yves Bot, issued a finding that “narcotics, including cannabis, are not goods like others and their sale does not benefit from the freedoms of movement guaranteed by European law.”

Mr. Leers called the ruling “very encouraging.” Coffee shop owners saw it differently.

“There is no way this will hold up,” said John Deckers, a spokesman for the Maastricht coffee shop owners’ association. “It is discrimination against other European Union citizens.”

If Maastricht gets its way, many other Dutch municipalities will doubtless follow. Last year, two small Dutch towns, Rosendal and Bergen op Zoom, decided to close all their coffee shops after surveys showed that most of their customers were foreigners.

The situation has not made for good neighborly feelings. Many residents of border towns criticize Belgium, France and Germany for tolerating recreational drug use but banning the sale of drugs. “They don’t punish small buyers,” said Cyrille Fijnaut, a professor at the University of Tilburg law school. “But they also don’t have their own coffee shops, so that leaves us as the suppliers. Our policy has been abused, misused, totally perverted.”

As business has boomed, many of the Dutch coffee shops — dingy, hippie establishments in the ’80s and ’90s with a few plastic tubs of marijuana on the shelves — have become slick shops serving freshly squeezed orange juice and coffee in fine china.

The Easy Going Coffee Shop has a computer console at the door where identification documents proving that customers are 18 or older are scanned and recorded. Tiny pictures on driver’s licenses are blown up to life-size on a screen, so guards can get a good look at them. Behind the teller windows, workers still cut the hashish with a big kitchen knife, but all sales are recorded on computerized cash registers.

Mr. Bot’s ruling last month is only an early step in determining whether Maastricht can enforce a Dutch-only policy. A final ruling by the full court is expected by the end of the year.

But Mr. Bot’s finding, a veritable tirade on the evils of drugs, surprised many legal scholars, who expected the European Union’s open market rules to trump any public order arguments, as they have in other cases. Sweden, for instance, which has a long history of struggling with alcohol abuse, was obliged to take down most of its anti-alcohol laws restricting store hours and sales, as they were seen as impinging on free trade.

Polls show that a majority of the Dutch still believe that the coffee shops should exist. But the Netherlands once had 1,500 of them; now, there are about 700. And every year, the numbers decline, according to Nicole Maalste, a professor at the University of Tilburg who has written a book on the subject. “Slowly, slowly they are being closed down by inventing new rules, and new rules,” Ms. Maalste said.

Much of the criminality associated with the coffee shops, experts say, revolves around what people here call the “back door” problem. The government regulates what goes on in coffee shops. But it has never legalized or regulated how the stores get the drugs they sell — an issue that states in the United States that have legalized medical marijuana are just beginning to grapple with.

In recent years, the tremendous volume of sales created by foreigners has prompted an industry of cultivating cannabis and other drugs within the Netherlands — some estimate that it is now a $2 billion a year business — much of it tangled in organized crime and money laundering operations, experts say.

Advocates for legalized sales and coffee shop owners argue that trying to restrict foreigners will only encourage them to buy illegally in the streets. They also say that coffee shops have other selling points: they pay 450 million euros a year in taxes and provide thousands of jobs.

Mr. Deckers, the shop association spokesman, said coffee shop owners were so skeptical that the European Union would allow restrictions on sales based on nationality that they encouraged the city to get a ruling on the subject. They doubt Mr. Bot’s arguments will stand. “We know he is wrong,” Mr. Deckers said.

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Posted: Wed 18th Aug 2010 09:25 pm
by ed the head
I read this, from the NY Times I believe. I found this article to be wholly one sided.

Are there people in Holland who still oppose cannabis decriminalization? Sure

Are there isssues to sort out with Holland's progressive cannabis laws? Yes

On balance, Holland enjoys much more benefit than harm from their progressive cannabis policies. Cities like Oakland and Vancouver have already adopted similar policies, and thereby enjoyed similar prosperity. This trend will continue in spite of those who oppose it. Cannabis decriminalization simple makes too much sense, and too much potential tax revenues to keep it on the black market.

Posted: Wed 18th Aug 2010 11:10 pm
by Pauli Wallnuts
i got kicked out of hotel bastion in 2006 for smoking hash & refusing 2pay the fine, pricks, u could tell they absolutely hated cannabis &the kind of people it attracts, only time id been to a place in nederlands other than dam & it put me right off 2be honest, only gone back 2dam, have heard nothing but good about harlem though

Posted: Thu 19th Aug 2010 07:54 am
by Uncle Ron
I'm not sure how well this will be received, probably not well, but here goes.
If I were able to suggest to the Dutch people who are affected by cannabis tourism a solution to their problem, specifically border jumpers, I would start with raising the age limit from 18 to 21, for non-Dutch citizens that is. One problem that comes quickly to mind is how to discourage Dutch under-21's from becoming dealers. One solution at a time. :lol:
Give this a trial run as opposed to an outright ban. I for one do not cause any problems when I frequent a C/S, and in fact spend money on various consumer goods and services during these visits. To deny me entry into a C/S is to deny revenue from a respectable source. Me, respectable? :lol:

If, and this is quickly becoming a small if, Maastricht is successful, the entire Limburg Province may likely follow. "The Dreaded Domino Effect." Shops in Venlo have been using the card system for a few years now, which has enabled authorities to track certain information like the nationalities, ages, genders, etc... of customers. In this instance pot smokers are their own worst enemy. Behave properly and none of this would be an issue.

"It takes a village to raise an idiot, but it only takes one idiot to destroy a village." You can quote me, DUR. :lol:

Posted: Thu 19th Aug 2010 12:47 pm
by badbone
Dirty Uncle Ron wrote:I'm not sure how well this will be received, probably not well, but here goes.
If I were able to suggest to the Dutch people who are affected by cannabis tourism a solution to their problem, specifically border jumpers, I would start with raising the age limit from 18 to 21, for non-Dutch citizens that is. One problem that comes quickly to mind is how to discourage Dutch under-21's from becoming dealers. One solution at a time. :lol:
Give this a trial run as opposed to an outright ban. I for one do not cause any problems when I frequent a C/S, and in fact spend money on various consumer goods and services during these visits. To deny me entry into a C/S is to deny revenue from a respectable source. Me, respectable? :lol:

If, and this is quickly becoming a small if, Maastricht is successful, the entire Limburg Province may likely follow. "The Dreaded Domino Effect." Shops in Venlo have been using the card system for a few years now, which has enabled authorities to track certain information like the nationalities, ages, genders, etc... of customers. In this instance pot smokers are their own worst enemy. Behave properly and none of this would be an issue.

"It takes a village to raise an idiot, but it only takes one idiot to destroy a village." You can quote me, DUR. :lol:
I for 1, thinks it sounds like a good idea :idea:

Posted: Thu 19th Aug 2010 06:51 pm
by Chrisuperfly
Dirty Uncle Ron wrote:I'm not sure how well this will be received, probably not well, but here goes.
If I were able to suggest to the Dutch people who are affected by cannabis tourism a solution to their problem, specifically border jumpers, I would start with raising the age limit from 18 to 21, for non-Dutch citizens that is. One problem that comes quickly to mind is how to discourage Dutch under-21's from becoming dealers. One solution at a time. :lol:
Give this a trial run as opposed to an outright ban. I for one do not cause any problems when I frequent a C/S, and in fact spend money on various consumer goods and services during these visits. To deny me entry into a C/S is to deny revenue from a respectable source. Me, respectable? :lol:

If, and this is quickly becoming a small if, Maastricht is successful, the entire Limburg Province may likely follow. "The Dreaded Domino Effect." Shops in Venlo have been using the card system for a few years now, which has enabled authorities to track certain information like the nationalities, ages, genders, etc... of customers. In this instance pot smokers are their own worst enemy. Behave properly and none of this would be an issue.

"It takes a village to raise an idiot, but it only takes one idiot to destroy a village." You can quote me, DUR. :lol:

Well said and I agree. I frequent the Maastricht C/S's and haven't seen much in the way of Shenanigans, Amsterdam is a different story but, this is to be expected since it is a much larger tourist destination.

With the current state of The Netherlands economy, is closing these shops the best course of action? I would think not. I was talking to a couple of German youths a few trips ago and they were complaining about being harassed by polizei when they cross back over around Aachen. I simply told them, "With all do respect look at you, look the part act the part chances are you will get singled out". They then asked me how the police were in the U.S. I told them basically the same thing, act a fool get treated like one (not always the case but in my experience that proves to be correct). These kids actually gave me the rest of their Hash since they did not want to risk crossing back over with it, and I don't blame them, not worth it when you have a resource such as this so close to home.

I think Maastricht is a great place but, lets be honest here, the only reason I go there and not somewhere else is because its a quick 2 hour drive from Frankfurt and the C/S's are decent, take the C/S's out of the equation and I'll drive to Eindhoven from now on. I would much rather go to Maastricht but, no weed no go.

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 06:26 am
by Uncle Ron
I haven't seen any problems when I have frequented the C/S's in Maastricht as well, but I will readily admit that I'm not there when most of the action takes place, which is from what I know (maybe I don't know shite :lol: ) in the late afternoons/evenings and mostly on the weekends.

I've always shied away from stereotyping and profiling (all things considered), but I do however agree with Chrisuperfly, if you look and more importantly act the part, is there really any surprise that the authorities take notice? When they look at me the last thing they would think of is that I'm a pot smoker. However, if I acted like one, stereotypically speaking, they would take notice. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Limiting the customer base to Dutch citizens only will no doubt have an economic impact of those towns that apply such a ban, my questions are how much of an impact and what are the plans to recoup or offset the losses? This I would think should be of great importance to a community, given that a loss in revenue must be made up elsewhere. Cut in social or public services? Raise the tax rate? Impose new taxes? A slippery slope indeed. This is a typical problem when a revenue stream is cut or ended and other sources must be found to replace what has been lost/cut.

One final thought, is the Coffee Shop industry too big to fail, ie... the loss of revenue too great to overcome?

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 09:56 am
by xXEXCALABERXx
Its Hard to see this happen throughout Holland but as has already been stated cannabis isnt necessarily covered under the EU free trade law so its not inconceiveable that it could happen.

I go there purely to smoke weed, i walk to n from cs n enjoy the walking through the city it is beautiful n i can see why people would go their without cs's but i doubtt that this would cover the shortfall in revenue, however 450mill seems a lot to us but what is it compared to hollands national spend ? income ? Would it be such a loss jobs wise the cs employ a lot of non dutch nationals so again the effect may not be that great on the locals employment figures.

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 02:24 pm
by Chrisuperfly
I was reading an article last week about countries with a tremendous amount of debt and The Netherlands ranks in the top 5, it was a ranking of % of debt to the countries GDP. I can't find the article but, The Netherlands was at ~225% debt vs. GDP. I would say any hit on the economy, especially a 450 million Euro hit, would be tough to recoup in other areas.

I hope it doesn't happen throughout The Netherlands. We have made baby steps here in the U.S. in an effort to move towards legalization and I wouldn't want the move to close the coffee shops in The Netherlands to effect those efforts and have our idiot politicans use it as an example. The people of Holland has such a wonderful resource at their disposal I would not want to see them destroy it.

I have walked around Maastricht at night from one end to the other and never have I ever felt threatened or unsafe, my wife actually said the same thing to me the other day after she read the recent articles regarding coffee shops and crime rates in Holland. I live in Washington D.C. and I can't come close to saying the same thing, there are places I don't go during the day, and would stay at least 10 blocks away from at night.

Last time I was there was July 25th and at that time the situation was as it has always been, I could go into a coffee shop and purchase/smoke as I have always done. If you Wikipedia Maastricht there is an entry that says;

As of July 2010, the European Court of Justice upheld a local Maastrict ban on the sale of Cannabis to foreign tourists, restricting coffee shops to Dutch citizens [1]. The ban did not affect scientific or medical usage.


I think the Mayor probably added that :?


I absolutely despise stereotypes and these young guys and girls I was talking to were extremely respectful and a great group of kids.

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 04:22 pm
by Kingdoc
That article is in the "scotsman" newspaper today puffin.


http://news.scotsman.com/world/Netherla ... 6482696.jp

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 07:08 pm
by sh@dy
the mayor of Maastricht seems to be the same idiot as always....I cant believe he really believes his city will benefit from this. he is totaly wasted...

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 09:45 pm
by xXEXCALABERXx
Chrisuperfly wrote:I was reading an article last week about countries with a tremendous amount of debt and The Netherlands ranks in the top 5, it was a ranking of % of debt to the countries GDP. I can't find the article but, The Netherlands was at ~225% debt vs. GDP. I would say any hit on the economy, especially a 450 million Euro hit, would be tough to recoup in other areas.

I hope it doesn't happen throughout The Netherlands. We have made baby steps here in the U.S. in an effort to move towards legalization and I wouldn't want the move to close the coffee shops in The Netherlands to effect those efforts and have our idiot politicans use it as an example. The people of Holland has such a wonderful resource at their disposal I would not want to see them destroy it.

I have walked around Maastricht at night from one end to the other and never have I ever felt threatened or unsafe, my wife actually said the same thing to me the other day after she read the recent articles regarding coffee shops and crime rates in Holland. I live in Washington D.C. and I can't come close to saying the same thing, there are places I don't go during the day, and would stay at least 10 blocks away from at night.

Last time I was there was July 25th and at that time the situation was as it has always been, I could go into a coffee shop and purchase/smoke as I have always done. If you Wikipedia Maastricht there is an entry that says;

As of July 2010, the European Court of Justice upheld a local Maastrict ban on the sale of Cannabis to foreign tourists, restricting coffee shops to Dutch citizens [1]. The ban did not affect scientific or medical usage.


I think the Mayor probably added that :?


I absolutely despise stereotypes and these young guys and girls I was talking to were extremely respectful and a great group of kids.

Well guess it wont happen whilst theyre in that kind of situation.

Theres more an argument here in the UK that all drugs should be decriminalized and the money normally used for locking em up used to try n educate rehabilitate as the 'war' on drugs is failing all drugs are easier to get n cheaper than ever before, and that making someone a criminal just because they use drugs kind of forces them into the criminal world and starts a cycle thats hard to get out of.

The current government has said it has no plans to change the laws as one health official was forced to resign after saying that cannabis should be decriminalized and a retireing leading doctor also supports the decriminalization of all drugs claiming more people in UK die from dirty needles than the actual drug.

I know its off topic but just the fact these things are being discussed is hopefully a positive step in better drug laws in the future.

Posted: Fri 20th Aug 2010 11:34 pm
by Boner
xXEXCALABERXx wrote:The current government has said it has no plans to change the laws as one health official was forced to resign after saying that cannabis should be decriminalized and a retireing leading doctor also supports the decriminalization of all drugs claiming more people in UK die from dirty needles than the actual drug.
Differant governments, I dont think the Coalition has said anything regarding drugs as yet, they have too much on their hands trying to get rid of the debt Labour left behind.

Posted: Sat 21st Aug 2010 09:07 am
by xXEXCALABERXx
They did make a reply to the retireing doctor, nothing indepth just that they currently have no plans for change, dont think was any1 too important or poss spokesperson.
Yeah they different governments but its good to see that many countrys are looking / debating their drug laws and how effective and suitable they are today.

It wasnt that long aogo in UK that if you said that all drugs should be decriminalized you would be laughed at and called an idiot n i'd have probably been 1 of them ppl laughing but now theres support behind it the reasoning seems sound.