It looks like the CDA-PVV-VVD talks have failed, meaning no right wing government with the fascist PVV and anti-cannabis CDA.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/art ... VV_mislukt
No right-wing minority government
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archambaut
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Fuck, the talks are back on
Right-wing coalition back on the table as Wilders says 'I'm in'
Tuesday 07 September 2010
Anti-Islam party leader Geert Wilders wants to resume talks on forming a right-wing coalition with the VVD Liberals and Christian Democrats, Nos tv reports on Tuesday.
Wilders pulled out of the talks after four weeks on Friday, saying he no longer had confidence in the CDA.
But now Ab Klink, the CDA's biggest critic of the right-wing alliance, has stepped down as an MP, Wilders says he would like to start talking again.
In an initial reaction, VVD leader Mark Rutte said he would be pleased to resume talks on a right-wing government.
And CDA leader Maxime Verhagen also wants to reopen the negotiations. My position is the same as it was on Friday, Verhagen said. 'The CDA wants to continue.'
Debate
MPs are due to debate the collapse of right-wing cabinet talks with the queen's negotiator Ivo Opschelten on Tuesday afternoon.
Meanwhile, queen Beatrix is currently consulting her advisors and party leaders about what should happen next in terms of forming a new government.
The Netherlands has been without effective government since the end of February when the cabinet collapsed over support for Afghanistan. The VVD emerged as the biggest party with 31 seats after the June general election. Labour has 30 and the PVV 24.
Right-wing coalition back on the table as Wilders says 'I'm in'
Tuesday 07 September 2010
Anti-Islam party leader Geert Wilders wants to resume talks on forming a right-wing coalition with the VVD Liberals and Christian Democrats, Nos tv reports on Tuesday.
Wilders pulled out of the talks after four weeks on Friday, saying he no longer had confidence in the CDA.
But now Ab Klink, the CDA's biggest critic of the right-wing alliance, has stepped down as an MP, Wilders says he would like to start talking again.
In an initial reaction, VVD leader Mark Rutte said he would be pleased to resume talks on a right-wing government.
And CDA leader Maxime Verhagen also wants to reopen the negotiations. My position is the same as it was on Friday, Verhagen said. 'The CDA wants to continue.'
Debate
MPs are due to debate the collapse of right-wing cabinet talks with the queen's negotiator Ivo Opschelten on Tuesday afternoon.
Meanwhile, queen Beatrix is currently consulting her advisors and party leaders about what should happen next in terms of forming a new government.
The Netherlands has been without effective government since the end of February when the cabinet collapsed over support for Afghanistan. The VVD emerged as the biggest party with 31 seats after the June general election. Labour has 30 and the PVV 24.
First off, I am an EU citizen living and working in this country. My job involved helping Dutch companies make MONEY in the export/global market. In that capacity, I think I have quite the right to be concerned about the government here. And a government with Wilders in it is BAD FOR BUSINESS. Wilders has already damaged the image of the Netherlands, especially in the IT and high-tech fields.roker wrote:Why does it bother you? you're not Dutch! Wilders got 1.5 million votes I believe, are you saying that the voices of REAL NEDERLANDERS no longer count?Marco wrote:Fuck, the talks are back on
Second, Wilders is a racist and anti-democratic. You know, as well as I do, that he is a party of one, with no membership or debate. Bullshit if you ask me.
Finally, your use of the words REAL NEDERLANDERS leads me to think you may think the only real Nederlander is a white one. Sickening, but common view among certain segment of this society (not that the Dutch are alone, this is common in my country and many others).
I am sure the NSB had the support of at least a million or two Dutch, which makes the popularity of Wilders much more understandable.
Not sure if you are Dutch or not, BTW.
You are an American I believe, thus not 'an EU citizen'...Marco wrote:
First off, I am an EU citizen living and working in this country.
Marco wrote:My job involved helping Dutch companies make MONEY in the export/global market.
You speak in the past tense. Are you now on some kind of uitkering like many other foreigners that move to NL? just bumming around smoking dope? You are active on this forum and others during the day which means you're not working. Precisely what Wilders wants rid of, and he has my full support!
Oh really?...show me some proof or stfu!Marco wrote: And a government with Wilders in it is BAD FOR BUSINESS.
How so? PROVE IT!!!!!Marco wrote:Wilders has already damaged the image of the Netherlands, especially in the IT and high-tech fields.
Prove it!!!!Marco wrote:Second, Wilders is a racist and anti-democratic.
Bullshit, pure and utter bullshit! If you call 1.5 million Dutch a party of one...well, it's no wonder you're famous on other forums for talking nonsense!Marco wrote:You know, as well as I do, that he is a party of one, with no membership or debate. Bullshit if you ask me.
Huh? please elaborate...Marco wrote:Finally, your use of the words REAL NEDERLANDERS leads me to think you may think the only real Nederlander is a white one.
I'm English, but spent 6 years in Holland and was awoken many a Sunday morning by the incessant wailing of the islamists call to fucking prayer. Something that I would love to see CEASE in a Christian land...Marco wrote:Not sure if you are Dutch or not, BTW.
Thanks for proving my point, little man.
I am a dual national EU citizen and currently work in business development for Dutch IT and telcom companies. The use of the past tense was a typo. The Dutch interested enough in my capabilities to create a position for me here. I am curious as to what experiences you have with the Dutch business community and the government?
The PVD is a party with a single member, this is a fact. Being a voter does not make one a party member here, this is basic Dutch politics. Unlike the other political parties, the PVD has no membership, no elected platform, no accountability to party members (there are none), this is the definition of an anti-democratic party.
Following the release of the film Fatima, KPN was removed from bidding for management of a middle eastern wireless telecom network, despite having the lowest price bid with massive amounts of experience. Comments made after this indicate that the reputation (fair or not) of the Dutch as being anti-Islam played a part. I was told this directly by a KPN board member.
If you want to use my reputation on a pathetic board like Channels, against me, I welcome it.
I am a dual national EU citizen and currently work in business development for Dutch IT and telcom companies. The use of the past tense was a typo. The Dutch interested enough in my capabilities to create a position for me here. I am curious as to what experiences you have with the Dutch business community and the government?
The PVD is a party with a single member, this is a fact. Being a voter does not make one a party member here, this is basic Dutch politics. Unlike the other political parties, the PVD has no membership, no elected platform, no accountability to party members (there are none), this is the definition of an anti-democratic party.
Following the release of the film Fatima, KPN was removed from bidding for management of a middle eastern wireless telecom network, despite having the lowest price bid with massive amounts of experience. Comments made after this indicate that the reputation (fair or not) of the Dutch as being anti-Islam played a part. I was told this directly by a KPN board member.
If you want to use my reputation on a pathetic board like Channels, against me, I welcome it.
roker wrote:You are an American I believe, thus not 'an EU citizen'...Marco wrote:
First off, I am an EU citizen living and working in this country.
Marco wrote:My job involved helping Dutch companies make MONEY in the export/global market.
You speak in the past tense. Are you now on some kind of uitkering like many other foreigners that move to NL? just bumming around smoking dope? You are active on this forum and others during the day which means you're not working. Precisely what Wilders wants rid of, and he has my full support!
Oh really?...show me some proof or stfu!Marco wrote: And a government with Wilders in it is BAD FOR BUSINESS.
How so? PROVE IT!!!!!Marco wrote:Wilders has already damaged the image of the Netherlands, especially in the IT and high-tech fields.
Prove it!!!!Marco wrote:Second, Wilders is a racist and anti-democratic.
Bullshit, pure and utter bullshit! If you call 1.5 million Dutch a party of one...well, it's no wonder you're famous on other forums for talking nonsense!Marco wrote:You know, as well as I do, that he is a party of one, with no membership or debate. Bullshit if you ask me.
Huh? please elaborate...Marco wrote:Finally, your use of the words REAL NEDERLANDERS leads me to think you may think the only real Nederlander is a white one.
I'm English, but spent 6 years in Holland and was awoken many a Sunday morning by the incessant wailing of the islamists call to fucking prayer. Something that I would love to see CEASE in a Christian land...Marco wrote:Not sure if you are Dutch or not, BTW.
Its Kamerleden, not Kamerlidden and they have 24 seats in the Tweede Kamer, not 48.roker wrote:There are 48 Kamerlidden. Do you understand that?
The film was called Fitna btw.
And, the party is PVV, NOT PVD ( that would be the 'Party For Democrats' lol)...Are you this absent minded at work?
The members of Parliament are not voting members of the party but associates. The party is actually a stichting (a Dutch organization the can encompass anything from a charity to a foundation, etc.
--from Wikipedia, the only source I could find in English.PVV is the name under which the association Stichting Groep Wilders operates. It has Geert Wilders as its sole member. This makes it unique in the Dutch parliament.
To call this a Christian land means you either spent your six years in the Bible belt or your are just finding an excuse for your support of a racist, far-right, anti-European party. That is your right, but it is equally my right to oppose it. And I do vote here in the local elections, do/did you?
Someone posted this on Channels:
The policy agreed by the Fascists (PVV,VVD,CDA) who are going to be in power in the Netherlands shortly is:
"The right-wing coalition supported by the Freedom Party reportedly also wants to tighten drugs policies. Under a right-wing government, the import and export of soft drugs will be penalised just has severely as hard drugs. A system of identification passes would be introduced to prevent drugs tourism, and the Freedom Party wants minimum penalties introduced for drug offenders to prevent them getting off lightly"
The policy agreed by the Fascists (PVV,VVD,CDA) who are going to be in power in the Netherlands shortly is:
"The right-wing coalition supported by the Freedom Party reportedly also wants to tighten drugs policies. Under a right-wing government, the import and export of soft drugs will be penalised just has severely as hard drugs. A system of identification passes would be introduced to prevent drugs tourism, and the Freedom Party wants minimum penalties introduced for drug offenders to prevent them getting off lightly"
Being pedantic and knobbish since 1972
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SGawain235
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I'm still a little skeptical as they don't exactly seem to be moving with one mind.
And by that I mean I don't think they could agree on what to order for take out, much less making any changes to the drug laws.
Still not as bad as the Bush thing here in the US, but still.
And by that I mean I don't think they could agree on what to order for take out, much less making any changes to the drug laws.
Still not as bad as the Bush thing here in the US, but still.
Did you think you'd get rid of me that easily?