possible new dutch coaliton announce new plans

[qahouaji]

They do not rule by decree. And 74 of th 150 votes in the Parliament will oppose this measure, quite automatically.

Their government has fallen before. In 2002, when LPF polled second, it lasted about four months. They will not do this unopposed, thanks for the information.

--qahouaji

[islandgurl]

Definitely not good, Oracle (who lives there) put this up today:

We heard at Cannabis College from very reliable sources today, that the new Dutch Right Wing Coalition government intends to proceed with closure of all coffeeshops for foreign tourists. The sale of Marijuana will be restricted to Dutch nationals and Dutch residents ONLY. This has been confirmed in the news this evening.
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As to when it will happen, I don't know. I can't believe it, but am glad my Dutch girlfriend who used to work at Pink Floyd and lives there told me I could stay with her from now on and she would make sure I had plenty of product. I'll still go because I like it there and I like her, but I won't go as often. Probably start going to Cali since it looks like legalization may happen there. Wherever there's legalization, coffeeshops will follow.

[Boner]

Wherever there's legalization, coffeeshops will follow.

It was never legal in Amsterdam and the whole legalisation in California wont produce coffeeshops anyway due to the anti-smoking nazis.

[Rufus]

Definitely not good, Oracle (who lives there) put this up today:

We heard at Cannabis College from very reliable sources today, that the new Dutch Right Wing Coalition government intends to proceed with closure of all coffeeshops for foreign tourists. The sale of Marijuana will be restricted to Dutch nationals and Dutch residents ONLY. This has been confirmed in the news this evening.

Oh shit...not good at all...

[donpacino]

more and more things are being said about this which makes me think this will definately and very soon. This coalition seems to have a right bee in its bonnet over it. Lets hope parliament and the dutch people fight against them. I cant see the coffee shop owners just rolling over and taking it.

[Kingdoc]

Funny how nearly every econimic downturn spawns some kind of nutter in the political field ,He (wilders) is not fit to be the cleaner never mind the leader of some political "alliance",He should be in jail or at the very least kicked into the shaddows of there back benches! ,Racist nazi c**t! radical is not the word here.

[philly-Rich]

This is bad news,I'm glad I'm going this week.This is good news at least,California decriminilized possesion of up to one ounce.$100 fine,like a traffic ticket.http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/201 ... gns_mariju

[archambaut]

more and more things are being said about this which makes me think this will definately and very soon. This coalition seems to have a right bee in its bonnet over it. Lets hope parliament and the dutch people fight against them. I cant see the coffee shop owners just rolling over and taking it.

I was under the impression that this is a CDA policy.
You have to ask cui bono?

Follow the money, I'd like to wager that the breweries are
behind this and there must be some major kickback for Verhagen
for him to risk destroying his party.

However, the fact that hey banned alcohol sales in CS
a while back, the breweries do look guilty by association
(at least to my PC* mind)

Arch

*PC - paranoid and cynical

[Kingdoc]

Hes not home & dry yet,There even arguing about negotiations ,



AMSTERDAM - The CDA conference has the most far-reaching resolution in Congress rejected the vote was taken . The resolution called on to abandon cooperation with the PVV.

MPs Kathleen Ferrier and Ad Koppejan among the minority that the resolution was.

At present, the resolution put to the vote by the party board is inserted. That resolution is about the support for the outcome of negotiations .

The vote was chaotic . Not everyone understood what exactly was put to the vote . Therefore, the vote there again .




Looks like more problems for him in getting his final "agreement"



http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/art ... solutie_af

[donpacino]

you are rite there king doc, he is a total c***, he will end up causing more trouble in the long term. Does anybody know, if decisions are made by this new goverment and they end up being the wrong decisions can a future goverment reverse them? Or is it a case of once the government decide we cant go in to coffee shops, thats it, over for tourists forever??????

[Kingdoc]

you are rite there king doc, he is a total c***, he will end up causing more trouble in the long term. Does anybody know, if decisions are made by this new goverment and they end up being the wrong decisions can a future goverment reverse them? Or is it a case of once the government decide we cant go in to coffee shops, thats it, over for tourists forever??????

Another vote on tuesday! looks like the anti wilders clan is growing,Like i said hes not home yet! "a deeply divided party",He has to force this threw still & its very much up in the air.



AMSTERDAM - The CDA MP Kathleen Ferrier , an opponent of cooperation with the Freedom Party , is heartened by " a substantial minority "of the CDA conference. She still said she could not say whether Tuesday during the group meeting also will vote against

The fraction must finally decide whether the CDA in a minority government with the VVD graduate, tolerated by the PVV. Ferrier wants ' one or two nights of sleep . "I take this whole thing in my consideration of this afternoon . " Ferrier will continue the discussion in the group perform .

Koppejan
Koppejan ad mentions the outcome of the CDA , Congress " encouraged "because a substantial minority of 32 percent with him and Kathleen Ferrier agrees and voted against government involvement . " I have found that many people agree with me and share the concerns , "said Koppejan after the vote.

Koppejan did not say what he does, but it looks very much as if he was anti - Wilders Sound in the group will continue to promote , without blocking minority government . "This conference gives me the courage to go further in the coming years . In that respect there is a whole task . "

Koppejan says no dissident , and in any event in the group to stay. "I always stay in the group . I am an emergence of CDA politician at heart . ( -) Maxime Verhagen and I are both very fond of the Christian Democracy . That is what unites us and why we continue . "

Xue said that a substantial minority , like him, opposed. Tuesday Koppejan expects the group spoke about the pronunciation of the congress .

CDA minister Ab Klink is that opponents of the CDA parliamentary party in cooperation with the PVV by the result of Congress ' legitimacy to their opposition to keep . " In a first reaction was to turn out to have Klink annoyed that after the vote at the party once " not the slightest doubt " that the minority government was more of VVD and CDA , tolerated by the Freedom Party , is coming.


CDA Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin , also declared opponent of cooperation with the Freedom Party , says " a significant part "to have seen that opponent. He spoke of a party that " deeply divided "is




http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/art ... emoedigend

[archambaut]

I've been trying to follow this on BVN, and whilst my dutch is not up to it, I'm quite freaked out by what seems to be happening.
Let's get things in perspective here, the CS thing is minor in comparison to shit like banning the burka and the other anti-islam measures.

Sure, I love the idea of hassle free access to the highest quality dope, but whilst its loss will be sorely lamented none of us is going to keel over and die without it (it's just not the nature of the drug). Us stoner's will always find a way.

Seeing CDA delegates singing nationalistic songs on the coach and the Wilders
addressing a gathering of German anti-Islamists (in Green shirts this time around) I can't help thinking that Europe has developed collective dementia and has forgotten who it is and where it came from.

I'm half expecting the Daily Mail to be printing the headline 'Hurrah for Mr Wilders' in the next few years, swiftly followed by holocaust II.

The idea that Wilders, having de-Islamified The Netherlands will declare his work done and retire is naive - people like him always find another scapegoat to keep the power trip going.

Sad day for us all.

Arch

[qahouaji]

You guys seem to think it's already over. It isn't. I've watched this board and heard these kind of plans advertised over and over, at least a dozen times by now.

It will not go so easily. Relax.

[Kingdoc]

I've been trying to follow this on BVN, and whilst my dutch is not up to it, I'm quite freaked out by what seems to be happening.
Let's get things in perspective here, the CS thing is minor in comparison to shit like banning the burka and the other anti-islam measures.

Sure, I love the idea of hassle free access to the highest quality dope, but whilst its loss will be sorely lamented none of us is going to keel over and die without it (it's just not the nature of the drug). Us stoner's will always find a way.

Seeing CDA delegates singing nationalistic songs on the coach and the Wilders
addressing a gathering of German anti-Islamists (in Green shirts this time around) I can't help thinking that Europe has developed collective dementia and has forgotten who it is and where it came from.

I'm half expecting the Daily Mail to be printing the headline 'Hurrah for Mr Wilders' in the next few years, swiftly followed by holocaust II.

The idea that Wilders, having de-Islamified The Netherlands will declare his work done and retire is naive - people like him always find another scapegoat to keep the power trip going.

Sad day for us all.

Arch

Insane times like,Privilages have to be earned & fought for when needed! as far as i am concerned the dutch people that couldnt be arsed to vote are as bad as wilders is,Pin fortuyn (spelling) seems like an angel compaired to that wilders twit! & if the CDA have any sence what so ever they will distance themselves from the stench of "green shirts" & nazi like politics real quick on tuesday,& It seems the game is not as done & dusted as some people on here & in the media have made out! good old google translator & a stack of dutch papers,Just what i was looking for .

[donpacino]

you are rite there king doc, he is a total c***, he will end up causing more trouble in the long term. Does anybody know, if decisions are made by this new goverment and they end up being the wrong decisions can a future goverment reverse them? Or is it a case of once the government decide we cant go in to coffee shops, thats it, over for tourists forever??????

Another vote on tuesday! looks like the anti wilders clan is growing,Like i said hes not home yet! "a deeply divided party",He has to force this threw still & its very much up in the air.



AMSTERDAM - The CDA MP Kathleen Ferrier , an opponent of cooperation with the Freedom Party , is heartened by " a substantial minority "of the CDA conference. She still said she could not say whether Tuesday during the group meeting also will vote against

The fraction must finally decide whether the CDA in a minority government with the VVD graduate, tolerated by the PVV. Ferrier wants ' one or two nights of sleep . "I take this whole thing in my consideration of this afternoon . " Ferrier will continue the discussion in the group perform .

Koppejan
Koppejan ad mentions the outcome of the CDA , Congress " encouraged "because a substantial minority of 32 percent with him and Kathleen Ferrier agrees and voted against government involvement . " I have found that many people agree with me and share the concerns , "said Koppejan after the vote.

Koppejan did not say what he does, but it looks very much as if he was anti - Wilders Sound in the group will continue to promote , without blocking minority government . "This conference gives me the courage to go further in the coming years . In that respect there is a whole task . "

Koppejan says no dissident , and in any event in the group to stay. "I always stay in the group . I am an emergence of CDA politician at heart . ( -) Maxime Verhagen and I are both very fond of the Christian Democracy . That is what unites us and why we continue . "

Xue said that a substantial minority , like him, opposed. Tuesday Koppejan expects the group spoke about the pronunciation of the congress .

CDA minister Ab Klink is that opponents of the CDA parliamentary party in cooperation with the PVV by the result of Congress ' legitimacy to their opposition to keep . " In a first reaction was to turn out to have Klink annoyed that after the vote at the party once " not the slightest doubt " that the minority government was more of VVD and CDA , tolerated by the Freedom Party , is coming.


CDA Minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin , also declared opponent of cooperation with the Freedom Party , says " a significant part "to have seen that opponent. He spoke of a party that " deeply divided "is




http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/art ... emoedigend

Although this is very confusing to read it does seem quite positive, it seems like the cda have really strong reservations about this alliance, may be they cant all just get along in the end afterall.