Arjan to release ghs exodus cheese

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PeteAH wrote:Anyone selling cuts should be slapped across the fucking face.
It cost them nothing to grow them, they're like a week old!
Really makes you wonder how people can rip off their own friends so blatantly.
I agree.
PeteAH wrote:Cheese is clone only, any seeds you get won't be cheese, end of.
So what about Sour Diesel, Trainwreck, Chemdawg and so on, all 'clone only strains' that have been reproduced into seed form, like I've said previously I've seen lots of people trying and failing to reverse it but Franco claims he's done it and until we see the finished article no-one actually knows.
PeteAH wrote:And to be honest the plant has been serial cloned for that many years it's really starting to lose it's viability, strength and uniformity.
Not from what I've seen from people who have been growing it for 10+ years.
PeteAH wrote:If you really want an awesome underground strain that is UK through and through and will knock your socks off go for Blues.
KillerSkunk by Underground originals is the closest i've ever seen in seed form.
They've come out with Blues in seed form now.

http://www.ugorg.com/catalog/index.php? ... cts_id=199


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A clone only plant is a distinct line of genetics, it's like cloning a person, as soon as you cross it with someone - or even itself - it loses what it originally was.

To make a clone seed you either dose it with feminising agents thus making it grow seeds with hermy traits or you cross it with something that is more or less identical. But whatever you do you STILL don't have exactly what the clone offered. I don't care what you say whose done or owt, they haven't done it.
I took some Exodus Cheese to 'dam last time i was there to compare.
The only come that came close was HGF's who said he got it from somewhere in the UK.

And Franco in my opinion is just a hacker, not a breeder, as is GHS in its entirety. They are as bland and un-uniform as Nirvana to be honest.
Arjan is even breeding by terpens now rather than the high and ease to grow, he's literally growing and breeding by flavour!
And while i like MJ that tastes awesome, i would like a breeder to preserve and not milk the MJ market for all its worth to be honest.

The seed strains are nothing like the clones, and anyone with the clone will tell you this. Go look at iCMag or Uk420 for endless discussions between people who have the clones and people who have the seeds and how different they are.
Sure they might grow and look the same, smell a bit the same, but the high is always different.

As for serial cloning it's alright if you keep a Bonsai Mum and have done for years, as all clones have the same cell age as they're all coming from the same mum.
Explanation;
Hey Arnold! A plant that is propagated by serially cloning, will age much much faster at the cellular level than a plant that is held in semi stasis from its puberty age and constantly renewed from old tissue. ie mother plants are a way of holding back aging. Most of the research has in fact been done with elite forestry genetic lines, even their stock clone lines age beyond where cuttings are of commercially viable any longer, the cells having lost vigour and weakened beyond recall.

So at the moment with cannabis, bonsai mothers are the best method I know of, of holding its age back. Once a clone line has aged to a point that it is getting senescent, nothing can rejuvenate it, like all things the ability of cells to replicate is not finite. Plants are different to animal life in that a stem has many incipient dormant buds, these buds meristem is fixed at the age it was formed. So If I have a 5 year old mum and I force a dormant bud in the old bark to develop the shoot produced is 5 years younger age wise at the cell level than the tips would be at the top of the plant. This also holds true to a certain extent with the normal propagation methods used with bonsai mothers. ie the tips are constantly cut back to normal semi dormant nodes, these develop into new shoots that are aged from when they were formed. I hope you can translate this to what happens with cuttings that are produced by the serial method without me having to go into detail.

Some people are very confused about this and think that tissue culture can rejuvenate a clone line. This is not true re the cellular age level of any meristem is the cellular age, it can’t be changed. What tissue culture can do is produce a plant completely free of virus vectors. This make the plants take on a new vigour and life at the full potential for what their base cell age is.

I hope this helps.
The above is taken from a growing site i frequent.

As for blues i'll keep my clone over the seed any day to be honest 8)

Would love to discuss this over some fat doobies in 'dam Boner!
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Who said he was friend ,paying 15 for unlimited amount off green it's not that bad
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Post by xXEXCALABERXx »

Its an awful long time for that to happen tho in its a good few years and im sure using a clone to make a new mum every now n then wont do ne harm either.

As mentioned its not been crossed with anything but chemicaly reversed, there are far worse breeders out there than ghs but every1 likes to jump on the ghs hatein bandwagon at every oppertunity, a good few on the site you mention have stated if it IS what they say it is then they will be buying them n that its some achievement.

Theres soooo much debate about this its funny, its widely known that hemiein a exous cheese plant results in duff pollen and crossing it hasnt really been a great succes either. Which narrows their options,

Luckily for ugorg they didnt have such issues it was more about achieving uniformity n consistency but nonetheless they have put the bluez livers into seed n again according to arnold on the same forums its outstanding in taste and likeness to clone version. If ghs achieve this with cheese then fair play dont see what the hysteria is about id choose a few strains over cheese 100% sat OG#18 n mango haze for a start.
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Exodus cut has been about since the late 80's early 90's.
20 odd years is enough time!
Although i think the main problem is that people said "this clone is cheese" when it wasn't, and there's probably a hundred strains peddling about as cheese at the moment.

But aye i know what you're saying about UGORG, i've not seen genetics like the ones they released in my 8 years of growing.
Killerskunk and smellyberry are unbe-fucking-lievable!

Blows all dutch strains out of the water and would go toe-to-toe with any of ograskal's OG's any day.

You tried Ograskal's OG18 seeds?
Melted my brain that shiz did.
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I'm a huge fan of the Blue Cheese, I grew a pheno out a while back that made me trip like I was on acid, amazing stuff.

Pete, I haven't a clue when I'll be in town next, have fun on your trip though.

I think I may invest in some of Ugorgs seeds next, I've been keeping an eye on them for a while now, Connoisseur Genetics are doing a Cheesedog soon (Exodus x chemdog) which I want to get hold of as well.
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maybe the plant that franco was able to reverse isnt even the original?!
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Very probably Simon, as i said, hackers not breeders.

Boner, check out Ograskal, he sells on a few seed auction sites mostly for THCMJ the medical one and for other charities too. Literally buy all of what he's selling the guy is a fucking magician when it comes to breeding, pulls off in 3 months what it takes others a lifetime to do!
Similarly can't recommend Ugorg's killerskunk enough.
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Boner wrote:Yeah put it up I'll have a look.

Here's what I mean about the leaf:

http://www.thcfarmer.com/forums/f62/ori ... #post25852
Had a good laugh at Kaliman claiming an Exodus male on page 40 of that thread. His pics look like a pure sativa. Who do these jokers think they're gonna fool with this shit. :lol:
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PeteAH wrote:Very probably Simon, as i said, hackers not breeders.

Boner, check out Ograskal, he sells on a few seed auction sites mostly for THCMJ the medical one and for other charities too. Literally buy all of what he's selling the guy is a fucking magician when it comes to breeding, pulls off in 3 months what it takes others a lifetime to do!
Similarly can't recommend Ugorg's killerskunk enough.
i would love to talk to ya next week pete...theres so much ,i cant type it all here...i especially like the part about clone sellers being slapped..thats good..cant wait..see ya soon :D
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I'm in town 13th - 16th mate.
Alot of us going over but i can peel away from 'em for a toke 'n' talk :D

I'm new to all this do i have to add my name to some sort of list?
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oh well..im in town on the 17th....maybe some other time..have fun
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True Playa wrote: However, if this is the real deal, arjan will clean up bigtime whilst tempting some previous customers who had previously written ghs off.
Well said mate - I aint wasting any paper on their sub-standard, hard to germinate, week looking seeds. Yeah - I've spent hundreds on their seeds and got shit results. Never had a problem with the more reputable seedbanks... besides, I'm kinda bored of the cheese now. It's all we get up here in London.
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im in town on 17th i could do with the knowledge being spread as i wanna try my first real start to finish grow,last time i tried it was eaten by white fly,and yes im not very knowledgeable pmsl.
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www.uk420.com

Read for 3/4 months then start growing.

And 12 weeks after popping those first seeds.. inhale... exhale... free dope!
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