Amsterdam may extend 'stop and search' to West

[roker]

Roker you have to be a Republican or a Tea Partier

I won't tell you what I think of your comment...

I'd rather there be no need for searches of any kind, hows that ?

Well there is, get used to it. There was just a stabbing in Vondelpark last week...Preventief fouilleren is nothing new in Holland...

[Iko]

Roker you have to be a Republican or a Tea Partier

I won't tell you what I think of your comment...

I'd rather there be no need for searches of any kind, hows that ?

Well there is, get used to it. There was just a stabbing in Vondelpark last week...Preventief fouilleren is nothing new in Holland...

I'm sure that statement was all the rage in 1938.
Its only one civil liberty here, and one there what could possibly be the problem ...

[Pauli Wallnuts]

@iko, you should come south london, all the yoots carry blades, think their gangsters, its easy to sit back &say stop &search is totalaterian(which i agree it is) but when you got 14year old kids being murdered every day somethings gotta give, &1's who get killed are nearly always mixed up in it, it aint them you should feel sorry for but the daily commuter who gets mugged for his phone while on train home, problem is cops use weapon searches as an excuse, e.g why when searching for weapons at transport hubs do they always have drugs sniffer dogs??
+i saw a program on nat geo last night called drugs inc, its a 4part series &last nights episode was about heroin, it was based in vancouver, i was amazed such a beutiful city has such a chronic heroin problem, people shooting up on the streets in broad daylight

[Iko]

"+i saw a program on nat geo last night called drugs inc, its a 4part series &last nights episode was about heroin, it was based in vancouver, i was amazed such a beutiful city has such a chronic heroin problem, people shooting up on the streets in broad daylight "

Yup.
Its actually very clean compared to how it was in the early 90s.
As there are free safe injection sites and needle exchange vans.
Not sure what the answer is, do you throw them in jail for being addicts?
IMO only if they are being "thugs" as you describe.
Regardless of all the addicts Vancouver is still one of the worlds greatest and most tolerant cities.

[badbone]

IKO: I would love to visit Vancouver

Pauli: you are absolutely right ... used to think like IKO ... until I was stabbed in the stomach by an amphetamine affected 17 year old idiot

[RollUp]

This is very interesting to me at least. Why? because I am one those people that has a Knife anywhere I go. Not just any knife either, a Smith & Wesson Black Ops switchblade. I'm not some huge bugger like Arnie or Sly, so i need something to protect myself and my lady. And it just generally comes in handy, whether I am splitting a blunt or opening a new dvd. They need to find out a better way to catch those with poor values without trapping us nice stoners in the web.

[wietroker]

Well there is, get used to it. There was just a stabbing in Vondelpark last week...Preventief fouilleren is nothing new in Holland...

I got stopped on my bike a week later by the police while stoned off my tits. They showed me an artist's impression of the suspect.

I don't have any objection to stop and search but then I'm not black or Antillian or Maroccan. You can bet that these guys will be searched more often just like black men are in London. A mate of mine is Ghanian and gets stopped all the time.

I still don't have any objection to the basic stop and search though. Luckily, knife carrying is not rife in Amsterdam like it is in England (many young English men carry knives and a great deal of them are still in school).

This robbery is sad news but the guy getting killed is a bit of a one-off. A number of coffeeshops are robbed each year too. But overall, Amsterdam is damn safe, way more safe than most cities in England.

They are trying to use this robbery as an excuse to make many shopping areas "PIN only" (debit card) which is a major pain in the arse.

Curious thing about the Dutch I find is that on some issues they will play hell and not take it lying down, they will fight much harder than the British who I regard as apathetic on the whole, to sterotype as a nation. But on other issues, they will basically spread their arse cheeks and wait for the penetration. Bizarre to say the least.

[Marco]

This is very interesting to me at least. Why? because I am one those people that has a Knife anywhere I go. Not just any knife either, a Smith & Wesson Black Ops switchblade. I'm not some huge bugger like Arnie or Sly, so i need something to protect myself and my lady. And it just generally comes in handy, whether I am splitting a blunt or opening a new dvd. They need to find out a better way to catch those with poor values without trapping us nice stoners in the web.

Sorry, but from a Dutch point of view, you do have poor values. It is not allowed (culturally or legally) to carry weapons here. Plus, you do not need it.

What you are doing is totally illegal (look for the bins for knives and CS gas as you exit Schipol). If you get caught (almost anywhere in Europe) you will get in big, big trouble with a knife like that.

I suspect you are American (like me)....and I suggest you leave those values back in the USA as they are not acceptable over here.

Simply my advice, no hostility intended.

[cantona7]

iv never carried a weapon on me, but out of curiosity where are those swiss army knifes classified. the tiny ones that can be used as a key chain. was just kinda curious.

[wietroker]

I suspect you are American (like me)....and I suggest you leave those values back in the USA as they are not acceptable over here.

Is it legal to pack a knife in USA? I know you can carry a gun sometimes but a knife too?

iv never carried a weapon on me, but out of curiosity where are those swiss army knifes classified. the tiny ones that can be used as a key chain. was just kinda curious.

Says here that any knife with a thumb stud to help you open it may be illegal (!):

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/sho ... -than-UK-s

[Marco]

I suspect you are American (like me)....and I suggest you leave those values back in the USA as they are not acceptable over here.

Is it legal to pack a knife in USA? I know you can carry a gun sometimes but a knife too?

iv never carried a weapon on me, but out of curiosity where are those swiss army knifes classified. the tiny ones that can be used as a key chain. was just kinda curious.

Says here that any knife with a thumb stud to help you open it may be illegal (!):

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/sho ... -than-UK-s

Like guns, those rules vary by state and even city.

I once had a CCW permit in Virginia. I had a Baretta .40 and carried it exactly one time. I decided that was not for me.

[cantona7]

I suspect you are American (like me)....and I suggest you leave those values back in the USA as they are not acceptable over here.

Is it legal to pack a knife in USA? I know you can carry a gun sometimes but a knife too?

iv never carried a weapon on me, but out of curiosity where are those swiss army knifes classified. the tiny ones that can be used as a key chain. was just kinda curious.

Says here that any knife with a thumb stud to help you open it may be illegal (!):

http://www.britishblades.com/forums/sho ... -than-UK-s

ah ok thanks for clarifying.

and yea marco is right varies by state and even city. i know you cant carry a gun in nyc,dc or sf anymore. they isssue carriers permits in seattle, but im told they arent easy to get compared to other places.

[wietroker]

btw I read this original article and it seems that stop and search is a new power to be given to police in Nieuw-West? So this implies that they couldn't stop and search before?? If this is true, I find that incredible - criminals were probably laughing at cops who could not even search them.

btw Nieuw-West gets a bad rap. Locals tell me it is known as "little-Kabul" or something due to large amounts of Morrocans here.

Well, I live in this district of town and I can tell you that it does not compare to most British cities. I feel far safer here than in those places.

To get some idea as a tourist, next time you use the train from/to the airport, look out for Lelylaan station (nearest station to the airport). This is in the heart of Nieuw-West. Judge for yourself.

[Marco]

btw I read this original article and it seems that stop and search is a new power to be given to police in Nieuw-West? So this implies that they couldn't stop and search before?? If this is true, I find that incredible - criminals were probably laughing at cops who could not even search them.

btw Nieuw-West gets a bad rap. Locals tell me it is known as "little-Kabul" or something due to large amounts of Morrocans here.

Well, I live in this district of town and I can tell you that it does not compare to most British cities. I feel far safer here than in those places.

To get some idea as a tourist, next time you use the train from/to the airport, look out for Lelylaan station (nearest station to the airport). This is in the heart of Nieuw-West. Judge for yourself.

I agree, its not so bad in the New West compared to almost any major city in the USA.

To answer your question, there is a special law that they can stop/search in the center of Amsterdam (and perhaps other cities) without any probable cause. In other words, they can close down a block and search everyone. This is what they are extend to the NW.

[joeuk]

you dont seem the type to be packin heat at all marco