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Posted: Tue 30th Nov 2010 09:51 am
by ZBeebs
Based on the recommendation of the girl at the grow shop, I went with Botanicare Pure Blend Pro grow and bloom, which I will be supplementing with Beastie Bloom during flowering. Fed them for the first time tonight. I asked if I should start out using a lower concentration than listed on the container and she said that normally, yes - but not with these Botanicare products. I used 1 Tbsp per gallon, and used a total of about 3 gallons of water today, or about a third of a gallon per plant.
I still have no idea when it comes to watering and have been guessing. The store was sold out of those meters, so I will get one next week.
I asked about tablets for chloramine, and she said they had nothing that really worked. She also said that with these products I can continue to use distilled water and it's not a problem.
What do you guys think?
Pure Blend Pro Grow
Pure Blend Pro Bloom
Beastie Bloom
Posted: Tue 30th Nov 2010 10:09 am
by ZBeebs
Can probably change the vacation week to last week in February or second week in March, but have to decide shortly...
Also added a small humidifier to the tent today. Rated for 120sq feet. It's been running for more than 6 hours set on low, and the humidity has only gone up 1%, currently at 39%. I just added water and turned it up to high, but maybe I need a larger one?
I bet the humidity is being pulled out by the fan. I have the reflector open on one side, not ducted to pull in outside air. When I add my filter, I don't want to have to run a second fan so its going to be set up so the tent air gets pulled through the reflector, through ducting to the carbon filter, then through the fan and out the back.
Total spent at the grow store and on the humidifier was $110.
Posted: Tue 30th Nov 2010 01:09 pm
by Cisco
The internode is the section where the leaves come out from the main stalk , i cant give you any hints/tips on your feed as i have never heard of it , always use weaker amounts of feed at first also be carefull as you are running different strains not all will need the same amount of feed , which i just found out the hard way !!!
I would leave your stuff hanging up drying while your away ! or if possible leave it till you get back then cut it down then if poss ?
Posted: Tue 30th Nov 2010 01:50 pm
by Uncle Ron
Lateral branches/buds and leaves grow out of the stem at intervals called nodes; the intervals on the stem between the nodes are called inter-nodes.
I looked at the links and the materials look adequate for your needs.
The three main nutrients to be concerned with are Nitrogen (N), Phosphorus (P), and Potassium (K). Secondary nutrients are Calcium, Sulphur and Magnesium. In trace quantities, boron, copper, molybenum, zink, iron, and manganese.
Vegetative: high N, low P, low K (Example: 20-10-10)
Flowering: low N, high P, low K (Example: 10-30-10)
As for watering, I tend to use one or a combination of the following:
- Water every other day. I use 1L of water per 10L pot. Type/strain not to mention climactic conditions can/will vary the need for watering.
- When the top two inches of growing medium are dry.
- The plant(s) look like they need it.
A couple of guides to keep handy.
http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/tables_guide.php
http://www.weedfarmer.com/cannabis/trou ... _guide.php
"I bet the humidity is being pulled out by the fan."
Possibly. Does your fan have variable speed settings?
Something else you can try is to keep a open container of (warm?) water in the tent as well as the humidifier. Sounds a bit much though.
If the plants don't show signs of any deficiency, don't treat for it. By this I mean that if the plants are doing fine at 38%RH, don't fuck with it. May sound a bit simple, but shouldn't growing a weed be simple?
Happy farming.
Posted: Tue 30th Nov 2010 04:08 pm
by ftcarer
cisco wrote: also be carefull as you are running different strains not all will need the same amount of feed , which i just found out the hard way !!!
this is good advice , 1st grow , Wappa & RCB took the nutes the same pretty much all the way through .
2nd , Motivation & Sour Kush are happy with the nutes so far after their 1st feed at 1/2 strength
BBC , hhhhmmmmm doesn't seem to like , light dark being wet being dry hates the fucking nutes & is doing it's best to die

i'm fairly sure it doesn't even like me looking at it
Always learning trying this stuff

Posted: Tue 30th Nov 2010 06:59 pm
by Cal X
Hey ZBeebs. If your going to buy bottled water, your better off with spring water for the mineral content, or supplement minerals if you stick with the distilled water. The Chlorimine Buster is a liquid taht is used for Fish Ponds. Most garden or landscaping supply stores should have it, make some calls.
Also, if you don't have a moisture gauge, stick you finger deep in the soil at the edge of your pots, if you don't pull up moist soil it's time to water.
As Uncle Ron said, the end of Feb or early March is going to be a critical time for you. If possible I would put the trip back as far in March as possible. Your plants will finish at different times so there is no way to tell exactly when they will all be ready for drying. Then you'll need to dry for at least a week and cure them, which involves daily attention for about two weeks. If the timing is right you could take your trip during drying time, as Cisco suggested; however, that will be hard to plan out until a few weeks before harvest. It's best to know what you're up against so you can keep things right with the wife.
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 02:00 pm
by ZBeebs
Fed them for the second time last night. I think they like it, they seem to be thriving. I didn't think to check PH the first time I fed them, but remembered this time and the PH was low. I was surprised by how much PH changes by the addition of one tbsp of nutrients. Then I found out you only need a drop or two of PH UP to make a change. The first gallon I had to add some ph up, then ph down, then ph up, then down again to get it rigtht. I dumped that gallon because I felt like I used too much chemicals. Got it right the next time.
Humidity is back in the mid-high 40's, without the humidifier in the tent.
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 02:06 pm
by ZBeebs
About the Bloom Buster - I was told not to use the directions on the package, but instead to use it during weeks 3-6 (or 7) of flowering, then to flush the pots with 3 times the amount of water than the size of the pots.
Does running 9 gallons of water through my 3 gallon pots to flush sound excessive? Since I've been buying distilled water (and will switch to spring water shortly) it seems like a waste trying to keep the plants "cleaner" (I don't drink tap water myself, so didn't want to smoke it) if I'm going to flush them with 9 gallons of tap water each, since I don't want to have to buy 81 gallons of water just to flush my 9 plants. If I'm going to use that much tap water, I might as well use tap water the whole time? How much of an impact would that have? If I switch back to spring water after flushing with tap water would that matter?
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 02:12 pm
by Prestoned
I use 20L pots and put 60L of water through them. Think thats about the same as yours.
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 02:24 pm
by Cisco
Holy shizzle how big is a 20ltr pot ? i have 6ltr and they are the size of small trash cans

Yeah i think its recommended to flush at least three times the volume of your pot ! get yourself Jorge Cervantes grow bible allegedly one of the best grow books on the market

im gonna buy it me sen

Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 05:32 pm
by Cal X
Hey ZBeebs, by the time you're ready to flush, in a few months, you should be able to find that Chlorimine Buster; that way you can use tap water. Like I said above, you can find it at any store that supplies Fish Ponds, that's what it is used for: and it's very inexpensive. 9 gals of water for your pots sounds about right. Pour it in 2 or 3 increments. Such as, pour in 4 & 1/2 gals with a 5 gal container under you're pot and let most of it drain out then add the rest of the water and let most of it drain out, or do 3 gal 3 times. You will be spending a lot of $ on bottled water, so, I would find that anti-chlorimene, it's a liquid, not tablets! Use just a small drop in a 5 gal bucket and let it sit over night, using an aquarium pump with an air-stone is best.
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 07:18 pm
by Uncle Ron
"Does running 9 gallons of water through my 3 gallon pots to flush sound excessive?"
If done all at once, uh yes. Over a two week period, still a bit much. When I begin to flush, I use(d) 1.5L of water per 12L pot (10L in previous post was a mistake). The total amount of water I used for the two weeks was approximately 10L or 2.5 gallons. The bud tasted as advertised and the ash was white as snow (that last part more to do with the cure).
"Since I've been buying distilled water (and will switch to spring water shortly) it seems like a waste trying to keep the plants "cleaner" (I don't drink tap water myself, so didn't want to smoke it) if I'm going to flush them with 9 gallons of tap water each, since I don't want to have to buy 81 gallons of water just to flush my 9 plants. If I'm going to use that much tap water, I might as well use tap water the whole time? How much of an impact would that have? If I switch back to spring water after flushing with tap water would that matter?"
As long as the pH remains stable, 6.5-7.5 (6.8-7.2 is more to my liking), there shouldn't be any difference.
Switching back to spring water after flushing, why? When you are done flushing you harvest the plant(s).
Whatever happened to KISS? Just saying.
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 08:00 pm
by Trichome_Dense
Tap water is fine. Just leave it to stand for a full 24 hours and all the chlorine will evaporate off - leaving you with real good water which has acclimatised to the room temp - your plants will thank you loads for it.
Trust me. I'm a porn star.
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 08:07 pm
by ZBeebs
I'm confused. When I asked at the shop how I'm supposed to run 9 gallons of water through each pot, she said "do it on a milk crate in the bathtub", so I took that to mean I should run 9 gallons of water, at a slow pace, through the pots at once. That would flush the chemicals from the soil, and then I would feed them plain water for two weeks minimum to flush the chemicals from the plant.
Am I missing something?
Posted: Thu 2nd Dec 2010 08:11 pm
by Boner
It is advised that you stop using your cannabis flowering fertilizer 2 weeks before harvest time to ensure that all chemicals are out of the plant. If chemicals are in the plant when you harvest, the smoke will be very harsh. To prevent harshness, flush the plants heavily with fresh water 2 weeks prior to harvesting them. Ensure you flush at least 3 times the capacity of your pot. So a 4 gallon pot would be flushed with 16 gallons of fresh water. From that point water your plants with pure water, absolutely NO additives should be given to the plant. This is especially important if you have been using chemical fertilizers.
Taken from:
http://www.marijuanafertilizers.com/har ... lants.html