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i know this may be a reach, but anyone ever visit okinawa? was there last year and got to visit the battle of okinawa memorial as well as the former japanese naval hq/bunkers. was very interesting. and VERY well kept up. there are graves there for thousands both Japanese and allied.

cantona7 wrote:

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:Yeah the somme must have been fucking horrific, 50,000 killed a week. makes some other battles seem pale in comparison.

yea man awful battle. the battle of stalingrad in ww2 was also horrible. fighting room to room, street to street, people getting killed, raped, no food..people were eating wallpaper paste to stay alive.

A workmate and very good friend comes from Schwabach, Bavaria and his grandfather was in Stalingrad with the Wehrmacht and a couple of stories he told me made my hair stand on end.

cantona7 wrote:i know this may be a reach, but anyone ever visit okinawa? was there last year and got to visit the battle of okinawa memorial as well as the former japanese naval hq/bunkers. was very interesting. and VERY well kept up. there are graves there for thousands both Japanese and allied.

Would love to go, Iwo Jima especially. I read Flags of our fathers during my honeymoon and it was a fantastic read, the japs were inhuman in their treatment of American pows.

Never been, but that does remind me of " Letters from Iwo Jima ", worth a viewing imo .
Really interesting and eye opening to see alternate perspectives.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEawk_8SEIM

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:

cantona7 wrote:i know this may be a reach, but anyone ever visit okinawa? was there last year and got to visit the battle of okinawa memorial as well as the former japanese naval hq/bunkers. was very interesting. and VERY well kept up. there are graves there for thousands both Japanese and allied.

Would love to go, Iwo Jima especially. I read Flags of our fathers during my honeymoon and it was a fantastic read, the japs were inhuman in their treatment of American pows.

yea they were. i cant say much though we weren't very nice to the Japanese citizens in America back then. not nearly as bad as the Japanese but we shouldn't have had those internment camps.

lets hope it never happens again mate, tho I suspect some time it will.

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:lets hope it never happens again mate, tho I suspect some time it will.

yea probably. i'll head to the mountains if it does. we're prob doomed to destroy ourselves.

"the japs were inhuman in their treatment of American pows."

Of all days, we really should not be slinging that kind of shit today.
Canadian, American and UK troops are ALL breaking the rules in respect to the treatment of enemy combatants.
How are all our "secret torture prisons" any different then 1945 ?

Iko wrote:How are all our "secret torture prisons" any different then 1945 ?

For a start there were not people getting starved, raped or butchered in their millions If a little bit of water boarding stops another 9/11 then I am all for it.

maybe you should tell that to the relatives of contractors and aid workers that have been tortured and beheaded by the ragheads iko, or tell it to the toms that have had limbs blown off in afgha

yup Ken Bigley or Daniel Pearl didn't get shown much quarter, so what if a few Islamic militants get a bit of a hard time, I cannot say I really give a shit about them, they got off light.

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:

Iko wrote:How are all our "secret torture prisons" any different then 1945 ?

For a start there were not people getting starved, raped or butchered in their millions If a little bit of water boarding stops another 9/11 then I am all for it.

i can see your point. but dont think for a second the waterboarding is all their doing(usa atleast)...iv heard stories of people being moved from Guantanamo to places like Haiti where "real" torture is accepted.

cantona7 wrote:

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:

Iko wrote:How are all our "secret torture prisons" any different then 1945 ?

For a start there were not people getting starved, raped or butchered in their millions If a little bit of water boarding stops another 9/11 then I am all for it.

i can see your point. but dont think for a second the waterboarding is all their doing(usa atleast)...iv heard stories of people being moved from Guantanamo to places like Haiti where "real" torture is accepted.

I know its not just making a point, these fuckers deserve to get tortured if it helps stop another atrocity like 9/11 or 7/7, what those victims went through on those days is just terrible, I for one will never forget the sight of people jumping from the twin towers.

Hey....this thread is for honor...lets keep it this way. You guys are not debating anything to do with honoring those who do what 99% of us would not and could not do (with the exception of any ACD vets).

Debate is fine, but on another thread perhaps?

well said marco