i get your point ..on some lvl...what if the native would have the techonogy of today 400+ years ago.. im not in the mood too rant away..so get the picture?
joeuk! i like fishing ..i get alot of byte
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Another ruined thread with your wacky opinions and lack of impulse control.Adamster wrote:Im sorry but aint talking about hilter here im talking about the GREAT WAR the FIRSTWAR WWI WORLD WAR ONE!at Hilter was in first was a soldier!
im saying if the german would of got the belgigum lex and...maybe the Party hilter joind in 1919 would of never been created and wwii would of never accured!i could just imagine all them brits Burning in the pizza ovens
i also wonder if Japon would of Drope a Nuc on the state how would they fill about that 60+years later? and japon would of tooken over after would we be speaking jap? and im guessing the american dream of the the 40's 50's where life look so simple would of been a living hell just like the japs
did you know 10year b4 the nuc of japan they was hit by eruption and earthquakes and 2 big city were almost destroyed and rebuild b4 the nuc hit them? ppor ppl only got like 600$ each in the 90's from the american gouverment for what they did to them and again what did the jews got and still getting? PFF!
As for the Japs (wtf, that is a racist term) getting $600 each, why did they get anything? They started WWII with the US by attacking us. The nuclear bombs saved millions of Allied lives, including my father's.
Marco, i am in no way defending the Japanese, BUT, there is a reason the Pearl Harbor attack happened.
Its not that the Japanese woke up one day feeling hung over from too many saki shots and decided a bombing run was in order.
"History" ( ie American History books )has done a good job glossing over the buildup to Japan entering the war.
** Unrelated note, did you guys get The Pacific ?
It was a new mini sreies by Spielberg last year, like a follow up to Band Of Brothers delving into the battle for the south Pacific ?
Its not that the Japanese woke up one day feeling hung over from too many saki shots and decided a bombing run was in order.
"History" ( ie American History books )has done a good job glossing over the buildup to Japan entering the war.
** Unrelated note, did you guys get The Pacific ?
It was a new mini sreies by Spielberg last year, like a follow up to Band Of Brothers delving into the battle for the south Pacific ?
Once In A while You Get Shown The Light
... i stop here ...cuz what i feel like saying you ppl wont like the truth that will occur in america one day soon! just say that the terrorist have and are trying to bring in russian Nucs (saw this on NG last night on a what if ..911 would of been a nucs hitting Washington DC) and they was showing video of the #1 terrorist saying BUTT out of Isreal or ... and ....
And if you ask me America are cowards Booming countries when its dark and ppl sleeping (that is terrorizing innocent ppl) but thats Okay of them cuz aint them sleeping and getting hit over their heads!
like once sayed america cant pick on ppl the same sieze then them why not go after pakistand? or North korea and did venulueza invite american to fight in the jungle? (LOL) and IRAN is waitting also what they waitting on if they so BIG and powerfull? More like pussies Cowards and a country built by TERRORIST (dont say no cuz its true) PATRIOTS ARE TERRORISTS Wit no Technology ....
rant over!
Adamster wrote:
... i stop here ...cuz what i feel like saying you ppl wont like the truth that will occur in america one day soon! just say that the terrorist have and are trying to bring in russian Nucs (saw this on NG last night on a what if ..911 would of been a nucs hitting Washington DC) and they was showing video of the #1 terrorist saying BUTT out of Isreal or ... and ....
And if you ask me America are cowards Booming countries when its dark and ppl sleeping (that is terrorizing innocent ppl) but thats Okay of them cuz aint them sleeping and getting hit over their heads!
like once sayed america cant pick on ppl the same sieze then them why not go after pakistand? or North korea and did venulueza invite american to fight in the jungle? (LOL) and IRAN is waitting also what they waitting on if they so BIG and powerfull? More like pussies Cowards and a country built by TERRORIST (dont say no cuz its true) PATRIOTS ARE TERRORISTS Wit no Technology ....
rant over!
i really think that you need to look into what you say before you speak.
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Love this well thought out post!Lemming wrote:I didn’t say nobody was here, just that most of us English probably aren’t descended from the people who were here then. Most of us are descended from Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Normans. People in the extremities of these islands may have a better claim to have ancestors who were here 2000 or even 7000 years ago.Adamster wrote:wait if 2000 years ago nobody was there who built stone hedge almost 7000 years ago?Lemming wrote: Yes but 2000 years ago the Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Normans hadn't yet arrived in the UK. On that basis most of us would be in refugee camps in northern Europe and the Scots, Welsh and Cornish would be occupying England.
Also, isn't this debate rather hijacking joeuk's thread?
The point I was trying to make was that it’s true that there were Jews in Palestine long before Islam was invented and the Dome of the Rock is built on the site of their temple but it wasn’t the Palestinians that evicted the Jews and destroyed their temple, that was the Romans and it was a very long time ago. Most countries in the world are not inhabited by the same people as they were 2000 years ago. If we try to put everything back how it was then then most of the population of world would be in refugee camps. You’d only have to go back a few hundred years to see that what is now the USA once belonged to someone else.
We’re all forced to share this little lump of rock floating through space so we need to learn how to get on with each other.
Amazing how a thread can via so far from its original purpose! Also continually amazed at the media fed opinions of hate, some of which stated here.
I often contemplate how I would feel about western (USA/UK) 'intervention' if the shoe was on the other foot, and I was trying to live in somewhere like Afghanistan or Iraq right now, who would be the terrorist then?
And finally back to the original intention of this thread... Respect to those who fought and/or died in the great wars of modern times. May we learn from these conflicts...
OKAY AFTER BEING TOLD I HOULD GO SOME READING AND CHECK MY FACT HERE THEY ARE!
LETTER BIN LANDENS READ ON TV IN 2003 Just AFTER 911!!
(NOW IN ENGLISH) I YES I AM 100% RIGHT!
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,
"Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]
"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]
Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.
While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:
(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine:
(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.
(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.
(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.
(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;
(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.
(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.
(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.
(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.
(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.
(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.
(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.
(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.
(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.
(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.
(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.
(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.
(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.
(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.
The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question!
I GOT MORE BUT I START WIT THIS!! ISREAL AMERICAN BRITS and the FRENCH are all in fault
GIVE BACK WAS IS NOT ANYMORE JEWISH LAND!! PPL DONT CARE ABOUT WHO IT WAS 2000 YEAR ago! just like i said its like if NAtive america WOULD take land back after 400years and everyone ELSE would be sent to live on the other side of the wall in the great north would you love that? NO! so same goes wit the ARABS...You know your all been braiwashed by english /french pro jewish MEDIA!! Sure i did once think like you ppl!but NOT SINCE 911 these ppl have rights TO NOT BECOME LIKE AMERICAN or live the american life! if they want to live like cavemen they can in my eyes !!
LETTER BIN LANDENS READ ON TV IN 2003 Just AFTER 911!!
(NOW IN ENGLISH) I YES I AM 100% RIGHT!
In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful,
"Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory" [Quran 22:39]
"Those who believe, fight in the Cause of Allah, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Taghut (anything worshipped other than Allah e.g. Satan). So fight you against the friends of Satan; ever feeble is indeed the plot of Satan."[Quran 4:76]
Some American writers have published articles under the title 'On what basis are we fighting?' These articles have generated a number of responses, some of which adhered to the truth and were based on Islamic Law, and others which have not. Here we wanted to outline the truth - as an explanation and warning - hoping for Allah's reward, seeking success and support from Him.
While seeking Allah's help, we form our reply based on two questions directed at the Americans:
(Q1) Why are we fighting and opposing you?
Q2)What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?
As for the first question: Why are we fighting and opposing you? The answer is very simple:
(1) Because you attacked us and continue to attack us.
a) You attacked us in Palestine:
(i) Palestine, which has sunk under military occupation for more than 80 years. The British handed over Palestine, with your help and your support, to the Jews, who have occupied it for more than 50 years; years overflowing with oppression, tyranny, crimes, killing, expulsion, destruction and devastation. The creation and continuation of Israel is one of the greatest crimes, and you are the leaders of its criminals. And of course there is no need to explain and prove the degree of American support for Israel. The creation of Israel is a crime which must be erased. Each and every person whose hands have become polluted in the contribution towards this crime must pay its*price, and pay for it heavily.
(ii) It brings us both laughter and tears to see that you have not yet tired of repeating your fabricated lies that the Jews have a historical right to Palestine, as it was promised to them in the Torah. Anyone who disputes with them on this alleged fact is accused of anti-semitism. This is one of the most fallacious, widely-circulated fabrications in history. The people of Palestine are pure Arabs and original Semites. It is the Muslims who are the inheritors of Moses (peace be upon him) and the inheritors of the real Torah that has not been changed. Muslims believe in all of the Prophets, including Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all. If the followers of Moses have been promised a right to Palestine in the Torah, then the Muslims are the most worthy nation of this.
When the Muslims conquered Palestine and drove out the Romans, Palestine and Jerusalem returned to Islaam, the religion of all the Prophets peace be upon them. Therefore, the call to a historical right to Palestine cannot be raised against the Islamic Ummah that believes in all the Prophets of Allah (peace and blessings be upon them) - and we make no distinction between them.
(iii) The blood pouring out of Palestine must be equally revenged. You must know that the Palestinians do not cry alone; their women are not widowed alone; their sons are not orphaned alone.
(b) You attacked us in Somalia; you supported the Russian atrocities against us in Chechnya, the Indian oppression against us in Kashmir, and the Jewish aggression against us in Lebanon.
(c) Under your supervision, consent and orders, the governments of our countries which act as your agents, attack us on a daily basis;
(i) These governments prevent our people from establishing the Islamic Shariah, using violence and lies to do so.
(ii) These governments give us a taste of humiliation, and places us in a large prison of fear and subdual.
(iii) These governments steal our Ummah's wealth and sell them to you at a paltry price.
(iv) These governments have surrendered to the Jews, and handed them most of Palestine, acknowledging the existence of their state over the dismembered limbs of their own people.
(v) The removal of these governments is an obligation upon us, and a necessary step to free the Ummah, to make the Shariah the supreme law and to regain Palestine. And our fight against these governments is not separate from out fight against you.
(d) You steal our wealth and oil at paltry prices because of you international influence and military threats. This theft is indeed the biggest theft ever witnessed by mankind in the history of the world.
(e) Your forces occupy our countries; you spread your military bases throughout them; you corrupt our lands, and you besiege our sanctities, to protect the security of the Jews and to ensure the continuity of your pillage of our treasures.
(f) You have starved the Muslims of Iraq, where children die every day. It is a wonder that more than 1.5 million Iraqi children have died as a result of your sanctions, and you did not show concern. Yet when 3000 of your people died, the entire world rises and has not yet sat down.
(g) You have supported the Jews in their idea that Jerusalem is their eternal capital, and agreed to move your embassy there. With your help and under your protection, the Israelis are planning to destroy the Al-Aqsa mosque. Under the protection of your weapons, Sharon entered the Al-Aqsa mosque, to pollute it as a preparation to capture and destroy it.
(2) These tragedies and calamities are only a few examples of your oppression and aggression against us. It is commanded by our religion and intellect that the oppressed have a right to return the aggression. Do not await anything from us but Jihad, resistance and revenge. Is it in any way rational to expect that after America has attacked us for more than half a century, that we will then leave her to live in security and peace?!!
(3) You may then dispute that all the above does not justify aggression against civilians, for crimes they did not commit and offenses in which they did not partake:
(a) This argument contradicts your continuous repetition that America is the land of freedom, and its leaders in this world. Therefore, the American people are the ones who choose their government by way of their own free will; a choice which stems from their agreement to its policies. Thus the American people have chosen, consented to, and affirmed their support for the Israeli oppression of the Palestinians, the occupation and usurpation of their land, and its continuous killing, torture, punishment and expulsion of the Palestinians. The American people have the ability and choice to refuse the policies of their Government and even to change it if they want.
(b) The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq. These tax dollars are given to Israel for it to continue to attack us and penetrate our lands. So the American people are the ones who fund the attacks against us, and they are the ones who oversee the expenditure of these monies in the way they wish, through their elected candidates.
(c) Also the American army is part of the American people. It is this very same people who are shamelessly helping the Jews fight against us.
(d) The American people are the ones who employ both their men and their women in the American Forces which attack us.
(e) This is why the American people cannot be not innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.
(f) Allah, the Almighty, legislated the permission and the option to take revenge. Thus, if we are attacked, then we have the right to attack back. Whoever has destroyed our villages and towns, then we have the right to destroy their villages and towns. Whoever has stolen our wealth, then we have the right to destroy their economy. And whoever has killed our civilians, then we have the right to kill theirs.
The American Government and press still refuses to answer the question!
I GOT MORE BUT I START WIT THIS!! ISREAL AMERICAN BRITS and the FRENCH are all in fault
GIVE BACK WAS IS NOT ANYMORE JEWISH LAND!! PPL DONT CARE ABOUT WHO IT WAS 2000 YEAR ago! just like i said its like if NAtive america WOULD take land back after 400years and everyone ELSE would be sent to live on the other side of the wall in the great north would you love that? NO! so same goes wit the ARABS...You know your all been braiwashed by english /french pro jewish MEDIA!! Sure i did once think like you ppl!but NOT SINCE 911 these ppl have rights TO NOT BECOME LIKE AMERICAN or live the american life! if they want to live like cavemen they can in my eyes !!
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make your mind upAdamster wrote:GIVE BACK WAS IS NOT ANYMORE JEWISH LAND!! PPL DONT CARE ABOUT WHO IT WAS 2000 YEAR ago! just like i said its like if NAtive america WOULD take land back after 400years and everyone ELSE would be sent to live on the other side of the wall in the great north would you love that? NO! so same goes wit the ARABS
couple months back you were saying northern ireland should be given back to Ireland 
which is it?
does the land belong to the original inhabitants or the current 1's??????
& what time limit is the cut off point??
should constantinople be given back to greece?
should pakistan be abolished & just be part of india?
should peru be given back to the incas?
what about morocco, tunisia, libya, algeria? these should be given back to the italians?
You just coming up wit this thing cuz your either a hebew or you love them (good for you)!! You know ill stand by The north irish ppl till i die!Pauli Wallnuts wrote:make your mind upAdamster wrote:GIVE BACK WAS IS NOT ANYMORE JEWISH LAND!! PPL DONT CARE ABOUT WHO IT WAS 2000 YEAR ago! just like i said its like if NAtive america WOULD take land back after 400years and everyone ELSE would be sent to live on the other side of the wall in the great north would you love that? NO! so same goes wit the ARABS
which is it?
does the land belong to the original inhabitants or the current 1's??????
& what time limit is the cut off point??
should constantinople be given back to greece?
should pakistan be abolished & just be part of india?
should peru be given back to the incas?
what about morocco, tunisia, libya, algeria? these should be given back to the italians?
India and pakistand wouldn live long if was one big country once again they nuc each other! (sound good to me) but...all them thing in india wouldnt be anymore
Peru just like CANADA got the independence in 1821 :O and would be hard after 500 year to say to everyone there well if you not from the blood line of the incas you out of here!why would Turks give back Istanbul? come on ...that would be like the jews and isreal!
anymoree questions
Alah! bless you for the sins your about to say