11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month

Post by **Lemming** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:11 pm

In some countries this moment is marked as the end of the war on the Western Front in 1918.

11 o'clock on that day is often referred to as the moment the guns went quiet.

Apparently, it really was that abrupt. A continuous thundering roar suddenly stopped.

I'd never really thought about why it was so sudden until I learned the reason. I still find it shocking.

It might be expected that the fighting would have faded away as word got around that the war was over. In fact, far from slowing down, the slaughter actually accelerated.

The armistice was signed early in the morning to come into effect at 11am. The intervening hours were spent in a desperate attempt to use up the stockpiles of artillery shells. Literally thousands were killed and maimed on that last day despite one side having already surrendered. That's why the sudden stop was so noticeable.

cantona7 · Post by **cantona7** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:13 pm

who stopped first? not that it matters, just curious.(embarrassed i don't know this seeing as i just finished a unit on ww1 about 3 weeks ago.

the great war/ww2 were awful events, but maybe we learned something(i hope)...lets all hope it never happens again. rip to all the fallen in all wars. and as i said much respect to the veterans that are still with us.

Pauli Wallnuts · Post by **Pauli Wallnuts** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:18 pm

cantona7 wrote:maybe we learned something(i hope)

unfortunately not m8

the poor are still dying so the rich can become richer, my 1st cousin has completed his training & is being shipped off to afghanistan in january for his 1st tour, it really saddens me that he's willing to risk his life so that weapons manufacturers can continue to make MASSIVE profits

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe · Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:21 pm

As long as there is man there will be war unfortunately we are just too violent a species.

cantona7 · Post by **cantona7** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:22 pm

Pauli Wallnuts wrote:
cantona7 wrote:maybe we learned something(i hope)
unfortunately not m8 the poor are still dying so the rich can become richer, my 1st cousin has completed his training & is being shipped off to afghanistan in january for his 1st tour, it really saddens me that he's willing to risk his life so that weapons manufacturers can continue to make MASSIVE profits

yea i hear ya. at least we haven't come as close to "total war" as those to conflicts were though. and i really hope we never do. unfortunately there will always be war though i think.

Iko · Post by **Iko** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:31 pm

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:As long as there is man there will be war unfortunately we are just too violent a species.

Not true imo.
As long as we have organised RELIGION we are doomed to repeat our pasts.
I really do believe more and more of the world is turning away from letting organised religion dictate violence.
Look at North America, there has not been a war here in a very long time, same can be said for much of the world.
Look at the war hotspots, what do they have in common ?
Religous extremists.
Be it India, the Middle East or Ireland , the root is religious extemism.

cantona7 · Post by **cantona7** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:38 pm

Iko wrote:
HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe wrote:As long as there is man there will be war unfortunately we are just too violent a species.
Not true imo.
As long as we have organised RELIGION we are doomed to repeat our pasts.
I really do believe more and more of the world is turning away from letting organised religion dictate violence.
Look at North America, there has not been a war here in a very long time, same can be said for much of the world.
Look at the war hotspots, what do they have in common ?
Religous extremists.
Be it India, the Middle East or Ireland , the root is religious extemism.

there will always be religion man. i myself am religious but i can see your point for sure. but people cant make people not have religion. not even a government can force their values on someone like that weather they be pro religion or anti. the real problem is people beefing on others about religion..ie trying to force their beliefs on others. imo if people could just chill the fuck out ant not try and make people believe what they do i think things would be better. let the athiests be athiests, the agnostics be agnostic and the religious be religious . would help alot if this happened but i don't think it will happen.

Iko · Post by **Iko** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:46 pm

cantona7, sorry but i do not get your point at all.
I can not remember one single war started by "The Athiests " or " Agnostics " but i can come up with a FEW wars started by the Catholics, Protestants , Muslims and almost every other organised religion.
I'm not saying God is bad, what i'm saying is making violence in Gods name is ALWAYS wrong.

cantona7 · Post by **cantona7** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 07:52 pm

Iko wrote:cantona7, sorry but i do not get your point at all.
I can not remember one single war started by "The Athiests " or " Agnostics " but i can come up with a FEW wars started by the Catholics, Protestants , Muslims and almost every other organised religion.
I'm not saying God is bad, what i'm saying is making violence in Gods name is ALWAYS wrong.

you missed my point man.

i agree with you in that most war is started by religion. my point was that if people weren't judged on their beliefs or tried to be converted to a religion they don't agree with maybe things would be better. the religious should be left to believe what they choose and those who don't should be able to as well. never meant to say atheists or agnostics started anything. eliminating organized religion would prob cause more problems than anything.

Iko · Post by **Iko** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 08:16 pm

What if that choice is a calling from God to stop abortion doctors, or call dead soldiers faggots or to suicide bomb so he can collect his 47 virgins in the afterlife ?
My hope is evolution and education will take care of religous fundamentalism on its own.
We just will not see it in our lifetime.

HasAnyoneSeenMyPipe · Thu 11th Nov 2010 08:18 pm

Iko wrote:As long as we have organised RELIGION we are doomed to repeat our pasts.

Exactly why I am Athiest, if there is a god (i seriously doubt it) he is a right cunt.

cantona7 · Post by **cantona7** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 08:24 pm

Iko wrote:What if that choice is a calling from God to stop abortion doctors, or call dead soldiers faggots or to suicide bomb so he can collect his 47 virgins in the afterlife ?
My hope is evolution and education will take care of religous fundamentalism on its own.
We just will not see it in our lifetime.

fair point. although iv been told by my Muslim friends that the whole 47 virgins thing isn't in the quaran and that the people who did 9/11 weren't legit Muslims but extremists/ terrorists. i tend to draw a line between the two but if you don't i respect that too.

not sure what your on about the dead soldiers thing. most vets catch flack at some point though. i know my dad was spat on when he came home from Vietnam.

Iko · Post by **Iko** » Thu 11th Nov 2010 08:42 pm

"not sure what your on about the dead soldiers thing. most vets catch flack at some point though. i know my dad was spat on when he came home from Vietnam."

Oh, thought that was obvious, sorry.
Was talking about that Christian Church you guys have in the states that shows up at military funerals and puts up protest signs saying the soldiers died because america has too many gays ( paraphrasing ).
Was just big news again recently because of a supreme court ruling that they were just expressing freedom of speech i think ?

Adamster · Post by **Adamster** » Fri 12th Nov 2010 03:49 pm

Next year at 11.11.11.11.11.11
(hours munites seconds day month year)

that one 11 lest then in 1111- 900years ago