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dconstrukt wrote:i saw a whole show about it.

they have NO CLUE what the long term effects of this are. (which is scary as fuck)

in fact, some people have gone crazy from it.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/03 ... rooms?lite

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitragyna_speciosa

Thanks for the reply.I'm only interested to try it in the dam so I'm not so worried about the long time effects.

People here smoke weed all day everyday but a vast majority of them are pretty judgmental and misinformed about tobacco, alcohol or all the other drugs. You won't change them, do if you wanna have a real talk about other drugs go to erowid or bluelight

Panog wrote:People here smoke weed all day everyday but a vast majority of them are pretty judgmental and misinformed about tobacco, alcohol or all the other drugs. You won't change them, do if you wanna have a real talk about other drugs go to erowid or bluelight

Thanks.

Its not an Opiate but people who know both Drugs say that it would be compareable to a very light dosage of Heroin.
In a asian Country,i cant exactly remember which one,it was the same where Kratom is native too,its used as substitute for Heroin addicted people l

I personaly never tried it.I once bought a bag in a Headshop but then i ended up with never taking it (was a bit scared after bad salvia d. experiences.. even its a other substance) and then i gave it a friend who was intrested in as present.He liked it he said.He was sitting on the Coach and sleeped and then his Mother came in and he hardly could tell her to get out before he slept in again .On the Bag was written that it would be 2 x normal Dosage or 1 x big dosage,he took all:)
We smoked alot of Dope this evening too

Hii,

Try http://www.smartshopx.com/kratom.php
I've been ordering from them for several times now and its realy good.

Octavio wrote:Hii,

Try http://www.smartshopx.com/kratom.php
I've been ordering from them for several times now and its realy good.

Yikes, ehh, maybe check out this one instead:

kratometcetera.nl

Have used it semi-briefly as an alternative to my prescribed medication, but it turned out to be just as addictive. Not an opiate, but an opioid. But sadly not a hugely effective painkiller. For me it is very close in effect to Tramadol (also an opioid) since it's not very sedating, it can even be energetic.