No tourist ban or maybe there will be....then again...

[TwoCanucks]

You proved on your very brief stay at Channels what an arrogant and opinionated little non entity you are, and roundly and thankfully got chased away. So witnessing, with much mirth and merryment, your attempt to ingratiate yourself on this forum with such witless and clueless knowledge, only serves to bolster your reputation as an utter cock. As, in relative terms, you have only recently appeared out of the ether, you'd be better served if you just stfu until you actually had any credible grounding to state an opinion.

Oh hello. Youre a chap that starts a sentence with the the word 'actually', uses a tired and irrelevant proclamation that a user has' only' a certain number of posts and unashamedly sees fit to insert a silly emoticon to illustrate your pique of exasperation. You are, by all clear definition, a whiny upholder of cliquery, were dismal on school sports day and are likely to possess a thoroughly smug and pompous character trait. With regards my post , im inclined to view it as more of an accurate assessment of someones wilful ignorance concerning the pending changes to Coffeeshop restriction, as opposed to 'flaming' . But, of course , your sort always know better.

I'm not taking sides in the flame war, but for the record... I don't think you're going to find two posts as well written and stated by another member with only single digit postings.

Bravo sir, bravo.

[YourGuru]

You proved on your very brief stay at Channels what an arrogant and opinionated little non entity you are, and roundly and thankfully got chased away. So witnessing, with much mirth and merryment, your attempt to ingratiate yourself on this forum with such witless and clueless knowledge, only serves to bolster your reputation as an utter cock. As, in relative terms, you have only recently appeared out of the ether, you'd be better served if you just stfu until you actually had any credible grounding to state an opinion.

So articulate. I'm shocked a man of your caliber would attempt a vernacular with the likes of people such as myself. The fact that you have so few posts yet know of my short tenure @ channels proves that you are in fact a long time member posting under a new psudeonym. Have fun.


~Ian

[Epsilon]

Lets look at the NL Governments recent "Big changes" in the CS scene -
I would pick the alcohol ban (was that 07?), and the no- smoking laws July 1, 08)...How much lead time was given in those implementations ? Seems like many months ...
Maybe that will give us an idea on how quickly this could move ...
Anyone with a better memory than me on these issues ?

The world needs an Amsterdam more than Amsterdam needs the world ..

[Uncle Ron]

Well why are they asking the owners of these coffeeshop to choose one way or the other? ie locals or pothead tourists?,That doesnt sound like a blanket ban to me & rest assured there WILL be places where we can score! unless they ban us totaly of course,Speak with you soon no doubt KD.

Huh? I didn't know the C/S's had any say with the (possible) new policy. How could they choose locals over tourists, ban locals? Doesn't make any sense.
I do remember at one time places that sold weed and alcohol had to choose one and give up the other, like Nes Cafe.

If this ban becomes reality (as if it's not already), it's a total ban against tourist buying, possessing, and using any form of cannabis.
There may be places where one can score, but I bet there will be lots of arrests and possible loss of licenses if C/S's are involved, and they will be.
Some in this forum won't have any problem scoring in Amsterdam or other places, and then there are those that will be shit out of luck and will end up buying soap bar hash or adulterated gear from a street dealer. Just kidding, although...

When it happens, IF it happens, won't be anything I can do about it except grow my own, which I plan to do once I move to a place that is a little more conducive to growing. In the mean time, I will keep on keeping on...

No Ban is a good ban...

[YourGuru]

I've got a brain and a place in Amsterdam

MHD. you forget we met in 2008 when I was LAXtoAMS on Channels. and I know neither of these statements to be true. As well as the fact that you're not even allowed into The Netherlands for overstaying your welcome...

Ga nu en meer Nederlandse leren. Ga lekker op je vinger zitten. Je brengt jezelf in verlegenheid en Het is altijd prettig mensen persoonlijk te ontmoeten... So I look forward to see you again..

~Ian

[jimi62471]

No it wouldn't

Your right boner, bad comparison. I propose that we discuss it in November over drinks and smokes..

[cattales1960]

yawn...ya kids better make yer connections soon then...im gonna laugh cause this is stupid....luckily it only affects my vacation each year...ill go to spain or jamacia if i need to go to a smoke friendly place...recon ill be saying goodbye too after this as amsterdam wont have any pull to get me there other then my friends and they can come here to my cooffeshop and remember the good times...the people in the dutch goverment and the people behind all this can go fuck themselves..im done..have a great weekend folks

OMG I am totally agreeing with this. I got some much good smoke in jamaica. There are all kinds of places including alot in the USA that pot can be purchased. We go to amsterdam because its cool thing to do not to mention the culture is awesome. But hey there are all kinds of places to get smoke. I would not worry over it. cheers

[cattales1960]

KD, hop on the sane train with those of us who don't buy into it or don't give a fuck... Much better for your health...

Me
USBL
Kermit
Marco
Twich
Uncle Ron
And anyone else who has a brain...

~Ian

You proved on your very brief stay at Channels what an arrogant and opinionated little non entity you are, and roundly and thankfully got chased away. So witnessing, with much mirth and merryment, your attempt to ingratiate yourself on this forum with such witless and clueless knowledge, only serves to bolster your reputation as an utter cock. As, in relative terms, you have only recently appeared out of the ether, you'd be better served if you just stfu until you actually had any credible grounding to state an opinion.

Hi muckypup. How you doing. Hope all is well in your life.

[USbongLord]

hehehe...bullseye cat

[Balou]

I would have never caught that cattales1960, good eye,

Peace,
Balou

[dconstrukt]

just to let you guys know... no one here gives a fuck or even knows....

they laugh and point out the other 84 times the govmnt said something similar.

[ohm sweet ohm]

Nol just linked to this.. bit more positive

http://coffeeshopnews.nl/index.php?opti ... page-niews

Translation-

In the Mail: Do not be afraid of the big bad wietpas ...
Written by Myranda
Sunday, 29 May 2011 9:30 p.m.

Beyond the problems with the practical implementation of such membership management, the wietpas last week prevented by two motions filed in the Senate regarding the evaluation of the Data Protection Act. The motions Franken (CDA) and Tan (PvdA) are both supported by 10 parties, adopted at a meeting May 24 jl with by mr. Franken calling on the government bills in five criteria in the decision-making. Tan bill calls for an identity management. Day Wietpas.

The Minister refers to the (unqualified) ruling by the European Court. Reminder: the court held that the residence requirement had against the European Constitution, but may be temporarily deployed against nuisance caused by drug tourism for the period in which the nuisance exists. Certainly no excuse for entering the country with only a local function.

The coming of the ruling Council of State on Maastricht Josemans, the letter said. Chapeau Josemans, you have history. It will be remembered as the "Josemans Judgement", as is so named by the court of the State Council. (And an administrative law professor, Deborah has returned with a thesis because subparagraph spend "Jose's Judgement" was not sufficiently considered, while the Rotterdam was about!) We are waiting with baited breath (and I use 70% confidence in a happy ending). Hope that it can fend off a lot of trouble in Maastricht itself, because you have not at all easy.

I expect him to be 350 meters line very quickly, in Rotterdam to start. That too will be incorporated in the new guidelines by July 1, 2011 (not yet found anything about). Opstelten brandishes the key figures of 2009 Ladis, they have a bulletin issued in April "15 years cannabis treatment demand in the Netherlands". For sports enthusiasts on the button, how large is that group of addicts and vulnerable young people, where are all these measures? Of the 18,000 drug addicts in the Cannabis Consumers in 2009 with all sorts of other addictions, is 13% below 20 years, his 2340 most young problem users of cannabis among others. (Only 14 of the 18,000, only cannabis as the only problem). Treatment demand is also increased, especially among the 30-50 age group. Anyone have any idea how many (smooth) adult consumers in the Netherlands, estimates vary somewhat?

It seems to me a good idea to try to Schippers ask how those actions contribute to public health. Where is one of the pillars of our policy of tolerance, which remains protecting consumers?

Grt, Myranda

[Boner]

Buiten de problemen met de praktische uitvoering van zo’n ledenadministratie is de wietpas afgelopen week onmogelijk gemaakt door twee moties die ingediend zijn in de Eerste Kamer met betrekking tot de evaluatie van de Wet bescherming persoonsgegevens. De moties Franken (CDA) en Tan(PvdA) zijn beiden met steun van 10 partijen aangenomen ter vergadering 24 mei j.l. met van dhr. Franken het verzoek aan de regering bij wetsvoorstellen 5 criteria in de besluitvorming te betrekken. Tan verzoekt om een wetsvoorstel identiteitsmanagement. Dag Wietpas.

In English: Besides the problems in the practical execution of a members administration of the weedpass, it has been practically made impossible by two motions that have been filed in the Eerste Kamer (house of senators) last week, both of them in connection with the evaluation of the Law on Protection of Personal Data. Both motions, by Franken (CDA) and Tan (PvdA) have been accepted of 10 political parties during the reunion on May 24. Franken requested the government to impliment 5 criteria in the decision. Tan requested a proposal for a law on identity management.Exit Weedpass.

Full Article:

http://www.coffeeshopnews.nl frontpage.

[Marco]

If you think that MHD somehow deeply understand this country, then by all means listen to him. His jaded view of this country will just what you guys need to start hating the place that was only a drug-destination for most of you anyways.

Peace

Marco, I am far from Jaded and I do have a deep understanding of the Netherlands. I made it my mission for several years to understand the language, the culture, the people, etc. I live in a Dutch household with Dutch people. These same Dutch people also vote and have opinions that don't agree with your Dutch people. I saw Anne write the other day that she did not even know there was a cannabis culture in the Netherlands. And she is a friend of ours. It shows that it is not an important issue to most. Most of the Dutchies I know are very proud of the tolerant attitude that used to prevail. Many are very ashamed that only Geert gets international press. So, we may see two different Hollands from two different perspective's, but my opinion is valid and based on fact. I also report good news when I see it. I just haven't seen any lately.

I love many things about the Netherlands and many people there too. This month I have staying with me, the first guy to sell hash in public in Holland at the Paradiso out of an ice cream cart before coffeeshops. Later in the summer I will have the guy that opened the first coffeeshop in Amsterdam here. I know a little something about this industry. Probably more then most coffeeshop owners. They come to us for info.

I am glad you are happy with your gig.

Thanks for the response, I did not mean to come at you so aggressively. There are as many different facets of this country as any other, and you are correct, many Dutchies who are completely non-smokers are proud of the (formerly?) progressive Dutch drugs policy. Many are very pissed at the Wilder cabal, who are doing nothing but giving this place a bad name. Sometimes it does remind of the Bush years, as many Dutch people are against the right-wing government, but are doing little to nothing about it.

I have not lived here long enough to determine if this place is changing permanently. Natives I speak with seem to think it is not, but its often those on the inside that are last to see their country change.

Your opinions are of course valid and based on facts, and you know infinitely more about the cannabis scene than I do. My perspective is from talking to Dutch people that do not care either way about cannabis, and those types are probably in the majority in terms of voters.

[Marco]

Most of what MHD says comes from his Dutch girlfriend who is heavily involved with the cannabis community, who should people listen to her? (those that know Jackie know she is on the ball with all things canna) or a septic who thinks you should only take 3 tokes.

Whatever tourist.