Tourist ban IS happening?

[Pauli Wallnuts]

imo the owners will do as their told (whatever that may be), they have all made a shit load of money with this monopoly theyve had for over 15yrs? or so (alot in centrum must be multi millionaires) why risk a prison sentence?
not to say a couple wont push the boundries, but theyl be squashed eventually,
+i said it before, if i was a dutch citizen i would be in favour of this ban, less demand = cheaper prices, some will say, no theyl push up their prices to make up for it, imo- no they wont, i mean i might be wrong but how many dutch locals go to barneys & pay 17e for 1g of grass? no sane persons gonna pay 20e for 1g of grass, locals will just turn to the blackmarket, who will still be getting the same price they sell it to the cs's,

before any1 gets excited, this is all imo, which dont stand for much

[Kingdoc]

Not happening as I've said for as long as I've been on this forum...


~Ian

4 times a day since you joined in February.






OK, now I need to get back to life.
I will report again in mid-June after the fat lady sings.

Thanks for all the info MHD.

[dconstrukt]

i'm gonna go think about this.... in a coffeeshop and smoke

[Uncle Ron]

... i mean i might be wrong but how many dutch locals go to barneys & pay 17e for 1g of grass? no sane persons gonna pay 20e for 1g of grass, locals will just turn to the blackmarket, who will still be getting the same price they sell it to the cs's,
before any1 gets excited, this is all imo, which dont stand for much

Your opinion stands shoulder to shoulder with the rest of ours, by which I mean they don't stand for much either...

Good point about Barney's and shops like them. If this ban does go into effect (I'm still in denial), these shops will probably be the first to go, unless they change their pricing. Would be interesting to know the statistics of how many locals frequent these overpriced shops...
Come to think of it, doesn't Barney's and a few other shops grow their own or have peeps do it for them instead of dealing with distributors? Why develop a seed catalog, along with selling bud grown from these seeds, if someone else is setting the per Kilo prices and so on? Doesn't make any business sense if they do. Given this theory, Barney's might be ok. However, there is this little thing called greed.

Nothing happy about a tourist ban...

[A Leprechaun]

Just having an idle thought.If said legislation does come into being,that will probably mean in relation to the market that the suppliers and the retailers are going to have a smaller customer base.When in the Dam I would probably smoke more weed in a week than a local, for various reasons,like when you go holiday you tend to drink more abroad than you would whilst at home.

Now the suppliers are probably not going to go,hey lets cut down on what we are producing/supplying,they will think what other markets are available to them,they might think of either using street dealers[probably not the best option as it could lead to various confrontations over what street corner to sell it from] or maybe going to back to the old method of little dens in house boats.Then again they might decide to open up their supply chain and spread their product to other countries,if the customers can't come to them then they will have to go to the customers.In Europe, Spain and maybe to a lesser extent Portugal the governments must be thinking what a way to get some extra money[via tax] they are warmer countries and have an established tourist economy,plus are probably closer to various countries that export weed,and their climate would also be very good for growing weed.

Britain and Irelands tokers may be thinking the same and be hoping that there may be a glut of weed coming into the country which may help quality and bring prices down.

The neighbouring countries to Holland may also find that the same applies to them,so maybe the current drift of weed tourists drift away from Holland never to come back as the rest of Europe opens up.
Just an idle thought mind.

[medal]

well it is easy if they do it, there will be more street dealers in the city's. but there will also be more house dealers en people that deliver en have better quality then the shops do for lower pricing. just like it is now only even more .

i for one will not register my self at my local cs, i wont do this because i know this will go to some central database in time en then evry one can see iam a "user" your just fucked when you need a job en the boss sees you are registerd.

the second reason i wont is that i know house dealers that sell much better weed for lower pricings. like 5 gram Master kush for 25€

[A Leprechaun]

The sad thing about that is,the cultural impact it will have in the coffeeshop scene,I love going into coffeeshops and meeting people from all over the world and just spacing about things in general.

[medal]

well tourist do that ofc i would do the same, but lot of locals just go there to get some weed roll a joint smoke it with a frend en then go space at home or somewhere else most of the time they r in a shop for max 15 minutes. so for them the only thing that would change is that they need a pass to come in.

[A Leprechaun]

well tourist do that ofc i would do the same, but lot of locals just go there to get some weed roll a joint smoke it with a frend en then go space at home or somewhere else most of the time they r in a shop for max 15 minutes. so for them the only thing that would change is that they need a pass to come in.

What about going to clubs/gigs and festivals in Holland,or smoking in parks etc etc, will you also need to be a member?

[medal]

well its never been allowed to smoke weed evry wheren so if some one complains to a cop you can still get a ticket en stuff like that but most of the time no one says any thing about it so no problems en that will just stay the same like it was. on festivals you can just come en go as always. its not allowed to smoke there thats what they call zero tollerance beleid. means no drugs no nothing only alcoholic drinks that can be bought at the bars. if the security sees you smoking at a festival or you got caught by entering the police will handle the rest with you just like it always was.

[Marco]

well its never been allowed to smoke weed evry wheren so if some one complains to a cop you can still get a ticket en stuff like that but most of the time no one says any thing about it so no problems en that will just stay the same like it was. on festivals you can just come en go as always. its not allowed to smoke there thats what they call zero tollerance beleid. means no drugs no nothing only alcoholic drinks that can be bought at the bars. if the security sees you smoking at a festival or you got caught by entering the police will handle the rest with you just like it always was.

Yep, watch the festivals, they almost busted my ass at the Source festival in Utrecht last year. Took my 4.5 grams and left me on the street, fucking security guards.

[dconstrukt]

i can see them getting around this in an easy way....

have a shop to just buy weed... they have a local person who works there who 'buys' the weed for you... then the coffeeshop where you can smoke but not buy the weed.

this way they get around the issue of selling weed to non dutch.

this is if the bullshit laws pass.

i'm still in amsterdam since april 1st.

no one here gives a shit about this law.

they've said the govmnt has said this crap every year and nothing ever happens.

[TwoCanucks]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

better chance of this guy picking up

[Uncle Ron]

i can see them getting around this in an easy way....
have a shop to just buy weed... they have a local person who works there who 'buys' the weed for you... then the coffeeshop where you can smoke but not buy the weed.

The first bit sounds possible, find a connect, but the bit about going to a C/S where you can smoke but not buy weed, not possible.
IF this ban passes, you need a membership to get inside the C/S, so there goes your theory or whatever. Just saying...

Now on the other hand, if you meant establishments that allow smoking but don't sell weed, like Nes Cafe, then you might have something there. Of course there isn't anything stopping the local authorities from entering said establishments and either citing or arresting those who are seen smoking or have weed in their possession w/out a membership card which entitles them to have weed in their possession. This may sound a bit anal and far fetched, but is it really that far off? Only a fool would bet against me.
Side note: DC mentioned in another thread that a local establishment recently received its third fine for violating the no tobacco law. I wonder what that cost them?

Nothing happy about a ban...

[Tranquilised]

Yep, watch the festivals, they almost busted my ass at the Source festival in Utrecht last year. Took my 4.5 grams and left me on the street, fucking security guards.

Sorry to hijack but is this really true of all of them? We went to Lowlands in 2004 and they had a 5g personal limit, we took more, smoked most of it but still got busted on the last day going into the site; we had about eight bags left with about a j's worth left in each, nowhere near 5g but they just said "you have too many bags" and "you have weed AND hash" (uh, duh, yeah?!) Did dine out on the tale of being busted in Holland for having too much weed for a while though!

It was the first time I realised the gulf of opinion between Dutch weed smokers and those who don't, but still can't imagine they will bust everyone they see at every outdoor festival for toking up?