Smart drugs worth it?

[Ansellius]

Hey,

I'm going in July (win) and whilst my friends love Weed I prefer MD and stimulants, are the smart stimulants worth the bother? I'm happy to get borked by weed anyhow if not

Tom

[Panog]

If you find NeoDoves 3 or 4 don't buy them, the high is horrible and the down is hardcore, if you can find neodoves 2 they're quite good, but I think they don't sell it anymore...
Anyway i've heard you can find quite good e/mdma in the dam, never experienced myself

[rigsby420]

Ansellius, the 'RC' scene is pretty non existent over there, compared with the huge one we have over here in the UK, as Panog has said the comedown of some of the so called 'smart/legal highs' can be horrendous, as a fellow Molly lover i feel your pain so to speak as its a total f*** on start to finish trying to obtain Molly be it in crystal or pressed pill form, you could always play 'take a chance' with the ropey guys in the RLD just think of it as the MDMA equivalent of a one armed bandit.

[RvanSteensel]

herbal xtc.

well worth 8euros

[rigsby420]

RvanSteensel, can you advise on the 'brand' of the herbal 'xtc' your recommending?
The only legal alternative i found that came close was the old mephedrone and alas that is no longer 'legally' available
If there is a decent legal alternative to Molly over there keep me posted as would love to be able to roll with out the complete head f*** that is trying to obtain the real deal.

[Adamster]

A little Info! Most of these FAKE drug Have this on them!! “NOT FOR HUMAN
CONSUMPTION !!! Weird thing i just watched DRUG INC special on Smart/fake/synthetic drugs on NationalGEO....

Red Dove, Vanilla Sky,
Bliss, White Lightning, Hurricane
Charlie, Pure Ivory, Purple Wave,
Sextac<< all have methylenedioxypyrovalerone < this drug is very bad

methylenedioxypyrovalerone FX
tachycardia (Rapid heartbeat)
hypertension (High blood pressure)
vasoconstriction (Narrowing of the blood vessels)
insomnia (Inability to sleep)
nausea, stomach cramps, and digestive problems
bruxism (Grinding teeth)
increased body temperature, chills, sweating
pupil dilation
headache
kidney pain
tinnitus
dizziness
overstimulation
breathing difficulty
agitation/hypertonia
severe paranoia
confusion
psychotic delusions
extreme anxiety/agitation, sometimes progressing to violent behavior
suicidal thoughts/actions
Psychiatric symptoms may persist. Physical symptoms may progress to rhabdomyolysis, renal failure, seizures, high anion gap metabolic acidosis, respiratory failure, or liver failure.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

Also they have mephedrone that is also bad and un-natural!!
ALL these drug found here for exaple should be banned!! http://www.partypils.us/

[rigsby420]

Agree with most of that Adamster, especially with anything containing MDPV( Vanilla sky etc) and any product containing mephedrone in the EU is already banned(this maybe the case with MDPV now also but im not up to speed) , however there are a lot of smokers who also use other drugs and are going to be tempted with anything that can be bought legally over the counter, especially when out of there own country as it takes away the hassle of 'scoring'.

[Panog]

Mephedrone is far better than any of the others drugs that are not banned yet, at least it gives a good high and it doesn't have a hardcore down effect

[rigsby420]

Agreed Panog, it had a huge impact in the UK when it 1st surfaced due to the severe lack of any decent MDMA/Pills, in fact there's a few of us believe its popularity is what brought the decent Pill presses back to the UK shores as the loss of earnings from the criminal fraternity must have been huge(until it was banned) as ravers turned from there shit piperazine packed excuse for disco biscuits to the new kid on the block Mcat at £10 a gram.

[dcurrey]

The stuff out these days is full on, much stronger than you would think.. Personally prefer the powders than the pills when doing Legal highs.. They go a long way & are highly recommended, just take it easy..

[Slip & Sal]

That Lemon X shit gets you whacked.

[gapie]

That Lemon X shit gets you whacked.

lulz I found this shit in a coffeeshop and it is still unopened
got it next to me lol and did u used it

[Slip & Sal]

Yeah me and sal downed em for skrillex one was enough, to get a good buzz, head tingles and shit. We liked them. Not as good as other things that are unspoken of here.

[RvanSteensel]

Designer drugs are prolly worse than real MD

[sensismiler]

Something like 90% of Europes MDMA is manufactured in Holland. It may even have been 90% of the worlds MD. Also you can get your pills tested without fear of arrest in Holland. One testing lab reported that 99% of the pills they test contain at least some MDMA.

I'd rather take the risk with the real deal than unknown and untested chemicals found in smart shops.