Rokerij Seed Co's Amnesia Haze

[Prestoned]

Depends on ones method of purging I suppose. BHO can take months, ala Spoon.
From what I've read, the purge occurs when the QWISO is being fanned for 12 hours.
As far as I know, QWISO isn't supposed to be oily like BHO.

I scraped the fuck out of the dish to get the crystals. I need to buy a proper scraper, which I intend on doing before I wash again.

You stopped because you thought/think that QWISO needs to be purged like BHO? That's your choice but maybe you should rethink.


I have yet to try my hand at making bubble hash, so I can't comment if it's easier and cleaner or not.
The only difficult part of this entire procedure was scraping the hash with an improper device. Nothing dirty about it if one takes their time.

I dried mine with the fan for 12 hours, just thought there could have been some leftover somewhere in the remains.

I used a pair of pliers attached to a razor blade to scrape it up, it worked pretty well, but I would purchase a proper scaper if I was to repeat. Mine looked the same as yours but different to whatever pictures I was looking at online at the time.

Maybe it wasnt the main reason I stopped, but it added to it. I just didnt want to be smoking something that I wasnt sure about. I have not had other QWISO to compare it against, so i put it on the back burner. Im sure that it is fine to smoke, but until I have done some research on how to ensure the cleanest output, or am told by others (and Im in no real rush to be honest ), I will stick to weed, traditional hash and bubble.

I dont know which is cleaner/better between Bubble/QWISO. When I have made it, I would pick Bubble over QWISO. Someone elses Bubble/QWISO would be different, so maybe I would pick the QWISO, but maybe not. I think Im gonna always be on the side of bubble, as i have the bags already and all I need each time is ice. Give Bubblebags a go sometime if you get bored of QWISO, the price of bags is insane for what they actually are. QWISO involves me ordering online, which I dont like doing, but will if needed.

Oneday I will give BHO another go, but I really need to understand about it before I start laying about with it. Thankfully theres loads of people writing/snapping up pics of stuff all over the web.

[Uncle Ron]

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I dried mine with the fan for 12 hours, just thought there could have been some leftover somewhere in the remains.

I used a pair of pliers attached to a razor blade to scrape it up, it worked pretty well, but I would purchase a proper scaper if I was to repeat. Mine looked the same as yours but different to whatever pictures I was looking at online at the time.

Maybe it wasnt the main reason I stopped, but it added to it. I just didnt want to be smoking something that I wasnt sure about. I have not had other QWISO to compare it against, so i put it on the back burner. Im sure that it is fine to smoke, but until I have done some research on how to ensure the cleanest output, or am told by others (and Im in no real rush to be honest ), I will stick to weed, traditional hash and bubble.

I dont know which is cleaner/better between Bubble/QWISO. When I have made it, I would pick Bubble over QWISO. Someone elses Bubble/QWISO would be different, so maybe I would pick the QWISO, but maybe not. I think Im gonna always be on the side of bubble, as i have the bags already and all I need each time is ice. Give Bubblebags a go sometime if you get bored of QWISO, the price of bags is insane for what they actually are. QWISO involves me ordering online, which I dont like doing, but will if needed.

Oneday I will give BHO another go, but I really need to understand about it before I start laying about with it. Thankfully theres loads of people writing/snapping up pics of stuff all over the web.

After 12hrs, the surface of the dish felt like sandpaper. I placed a finger tip on one spot for a few seconds and it started to become sticky, yum.
I just don't see where any residual alcohol could be lurking. To be honest, I was beginning to worry when I looked at it, thinking it should be a little moist.
Nope, dry as a prairie phart.

I also used a pair of pliers, at first, but it became too cumbersome. I ended up using just the blade and my fingers. Yup, nasty little hand and finger cramps were in my immediate future. I won't be making that mistake again. Going to take my paint scraper and make it scalpel-sharp. Problem solved.

I understand your caution when dealing with chemicals, everyone should, as do I.
I use 90-96% grain alcohol, safe for human consumption, safe trace materials (water).
Sure, smoking alcohol isn't recommended, if one is able to do so without bursting into flames while trying to light it.
BHO is different because of the potential for trapped butane gas bubbles in the oil, hence the necessity for extended periods of purging.
Having researched QWISO extensively, and now having beginners practical experience, I'm comfortable with smoking my QWISO. More so than BHO.

Which is cleaner, bubble or QWISO? One would think the bubble especially if using an 8 bag system.
The QWISO process uses one maybe two standard coffee filters.
When I looked at my QWISO under 100x pocket microscope, I didn't see any plant material.

I think it just comes down to personal preference.
I will continue to make BHO, but the QWISO process just doesn't do it for me.
The purchase price for neutral spirits makes it nearly cost ineffective.

Thanks for your thoughts and opinions.
Have a kind day...
Happy trails...

[ZBeebs]

Some of my qwiso experiments turned out like yours, where it's a powdery dust. This is the good stuff!

If you let the weed soak in the isopropyl for longer than 30 seconds to a minute, you'll pull more contaminants out of the weed and the color will get darker, but you will get a more oily, hash-like substance. It's not quite as strong (but still packs a punch!!), but easier to work with if you're looking to dab it.

Somewhere on this forum is a picture of a 5 gram chunk I made, where it's dark brown and sticky. I must have posted it a year or more ago...Of course that qwiso is long gone...It was a good smoke... dabbed and into joints...

I haven't made qwiso in a long time...it's been BHO for a while now...

Actually, I guess I have some qwiso ready to be dried...I have a half a bottle of isopropyl alcohol that I use ONLY to clean the glass dish I make my BHO in...then I save that isopropyl...there's always lots of little bits stuck in the corners and little bits I didn't scrape up...That jar of isopropyl is a beautiful dark amber color...I bet when I get around to evaporating it there will be at least a couple grams there... mixed of all the strains I've had the past year or so... should be some interesting stuff!

I also have another bottle that I use just to clean my oil-only pieces...That bottle is also turning a beautiful golden color...

[ZBeebs]

Found those pics ...




and a close-up...



I think it's also strain-dependent as well, since I've seen pics of qwiso with a really fast wash that turned out a light oily goo as well, no dusty scrapings...

[Uncle Ron]

Hey ZBeebs,
That's some nice looking QWISO. Had I used more than 16 grams of trim, maybe I could have had something similar.
The next time I make QWISO, I will use a little more material. I will also do multiple washes of the same material, hopefully get my monies worth.
Happy trails...

[Uncle Ron]

Hello and good afternoon,
Just a little update on the cure. P3 and P4 are doing nicely; they emit an aroma typical of amnesia haze.
I think I may have over dried P2, mainly because the odor has changed from somewhat amnesic to dry grass/hay.
At the start of the cure, I used two containers for P2 because there I didn't want to break up the larger bud clusters. When I decided to add a sliver of peel, I only put it in one of the containers for comparison. There was a slight difference in odor between the two, as was a slight increase in moisture, but it only lingered for several days before the smell of grass/hay became noticeable. What to do next?
I removed all of the bud from the containers; broke down the bud clusters; threw away the stems; repacked the bud into one container.
Six hours later I opened the container and noticed an increase in moisture, and the smell was almost what it should be like although there is a lingering dry grass/hay smell. If I lose the cure I will go to Plan B, make hash. Too easy...
More to follow, quite possibly with some Oil of Amnesia.
Happy farming...

[RvanSteensel]

looks like the amnesia i had yesterday

flavour is fucked up ,but the high , DAMNNN

[ZBeebs]

I personally no longer bother with a second wash. It's not nearly as potent and tasty as the first wash. Not worth the time and effort to make second-rate hash when I've got so much of the good stuff... maybe if i was giving it away? Same with bho... one run, then into the trash...

[Uncle Ron]

looks like the amnesia i had yesterday
flavour is fucked up ,but the high , DAMNNN

This strain definitely has some problems, but as I've said in the past, I don't begrudge the good peeps formerly of the Rokerij.

Cure Update
The aroma may be all but gone from P2, but I'm going to milk as much oil from it as I can.
Nearly 80gms of trichome dense bud, in addition to nearly 100gms of trim and bud from P5, ought to make for some tasty oil.
Today I took the bud out of the containers and noted their weight...
P2 - 78/80gms (approx. 2gms for sampling)
P3 - 26/32gms (approx. 6gms for sampling)
P4 - 40/44gms (approx. 4gms for sampling)
I suppose it was too good to be true in regards to the weight of P2.
Lots of trichome dense buds, but not very pleasant to smoke. Only one thing to do, make oil.

Tasting Notes:
P2 has hints of sweet citrus but is overpowered by a stale grassy taste. Bye bye cure, hello oil.
P3 is beginning to mellow out some, the "green" taste nearly all but gone.
P4 still needs some more time, still a little moist.

More to follow...
Happy farming...

[treetop]

Hi Ron

[Uncle Ron]

Hi Ron - Sorry to hear the cure is not being totally productive this time. Right now I'm drying a plant by hanging it in front of an A/C unit hope it doesn't get too dry too quick. Had it there for 24 hours now.
Had a question about Iso alcohol too. Where I'm at it is dirt cheap but it is only possible to get 70% ethyl Alcohol do you know if that is ok to use?
Did some research which said the lower the alcohol content the longer you should dry.
Also I hazily remember reading something on either ICMAG or Rollitup about ethyl alcohol being bad for QWISO due to toxicity although I may have read wrong and havenot been able to find the reference again.
Any of this make sense?
ps - is plastic ok to cure in? I have both mason jars and plastic. Seems like everyone uses glass. There a reason?

Hey Treetop,
Although I've yet to try, I've read about drying using the Rule of 7's - 70F/70% RH/7 days. My problem I think was the humidity was too low at 55%.
My school of thought is that with these constants, drying should be relatively even. I'm going to give this method a go the next time I grow.
The main challenge I foresee is adjusting and maintaining the humidity level.

As far as Ethyl alcohol is concerned, I won't use it because it's poisonous. I don't recommend anyone use it for this purpose.
I think if I recommended using ethyl alcohol, I might as well advise people to drink antifreeze for the drunk-like effect.

I've read that some plastics may be harmful because of the materials it's made of.
But then again nearly every coffee shop I've been to stores their gear in plastic bins. I would suggest asking them what they use.
I use glass containers because I know glass isn't toxic, is odor neutral, and air tight.

Giving is better than receiving; give someone a hug and see for yourself.
Happy trails...

[spidergawd]

Uncle Ron, well done and thank you for an excellent read, I aint much of a farmer myself yet but I love these brilliant grow reports with their mouth watering pics.

So thanks for the inspiration .

[ZBeebs]

There is a thread on ICMag titled The Perfect Cure. Read that and follow the directions and your curing problems are solved. That method is easy and it works every time.

[stints]

There is a thread on ICMag titled The Perfect Cure. Read that and follow the directions and your curing problems are solved. That method is easy and it works every time.

could you post the direct link to that please?

[Uncle Ron]

There is a thread on ICMag titled The Perfect Cure. Read that and follow the directions and your curing problems are solved. That method is easy and it works every time.

+1
Lots of good grow info in that site.
There's good grow info to be had here as well, regardless if it's origination.
Growing is fundamentally easy, straight up basic - plant a seed, water and feed as needed, harvest, dry, cure.
If only growing indoors were that simple... germinate, seedling, veg period, flower period, variations with watering and feeding, temperature/humidity control throughout the entire process, and on and on and on... When taking a moment, there's quite a bit that goes into a "successful" grow.
Someday I might reach the coveted "cannaisseur level" grower status.....nah, I'll leave that shit to the pretentious wannabes...
I'm just a humble, soon to be a migrant (and hydro?), dirt farmer.
Happy farming...