Dutch General Elections - Sept. 12, 2012 (updated poll)

[USbongLord]

Renting bike now Looking for 6'3" 235 pound bald man with barcode tattoo on neck...lol...

[piedpiperofvice]

Well Marco is a little bitch who does not know when to shut the fuck up...he insults people then runs and hides.....everyone has asked people to keep on topic and this little whore won't shut up.....again Marco I'll be at utopia at 10 am on the 5th if you want to " chat" face to face...otherwise would you shut up ...

There is always hope you will get run over by a bike, or better yet a tram, at 9:45.

Dont feed em man. http://www.smosh.com/smosh-pit/articles ... net-trolls

we are not trolls we just think differently than you. i guess i am the never surrender troll. however, in most cases i just don't think people have made a good case . if i present a thought and the other side gives what you feel to be a lame answer i will of course defend my position. what is the rhetorical objective of making a big deal about a use of an admittingly lazy analogy . it just seems like the talk show crowd ganging up on the unwed mother or the pro lifeys who fist themselves at night celebrating their righteousness for saving babies while ignoring the real life babies starving the world over. is it the let's all gang up on this guy for using an imperfect analogy. kind of like the grammar police troll. lazy discourse in my opinion. your sensitivity meter is set higher(or lower) than ours . let's just agree to disagree. however, as i said before i'll refrain from using the nazi analogy for you, spidergawd.. spidergawd, the name, a reference to south park religion episode.. probably not but i thought i would ask

[piedpiperofvice]

i am going to reiterate my last idea for the hell of it. hoping a coffeeshop owner runs with it. all of you kind of panned or ignored it. fair enough you don't share the vision. hoping someone who does sees it.i sure as hell don't have the time but a coffeeshop owner should. First step.... write bill maher , musicians and other like minded folks and see if they would do benefit concerts etc for the coffeeshop. set up a worldwide coffeeshop relief fund.. 2nd use that money to subsidize as many coffeeshops as possible. if they don't go bankrupt then they can stay in business, unprofitable or not. at that point it seems like they would have to enact another law to shut down the shops. it would probably have to be some lame local zoning law or a law with a new national coalition less likely to enact one at this time. the local government is not in favor of closing the coffeeshops so in order to prevent good real estate from being underused( in this case money losing ,fairly empty coffeeshops ) they may just choose not to enforce this on a local level. the cops already don't favor the restrictions. we wont have an argument from them. again the coffeeshops will be subsidized allowing them to retain their prime real estate. the opposition plan is for them to go bk and willingly sell their property and lose their license.this would put a big hole in the coffeeshops opponents hands if the coffeeshops did not go out of business. uncle ron seemed to misunderstand last time i mentioned this . hoping he and other can grasp it now. think it sucks ok but in reality this is VERY workable. 60 mil euro a year would go a long way toward dealing a serious blow to these..... or rather THOSE WHO WOULD SUPPRESS LIBERTIES AND PERSECUTE OTHERS .. this is totally on topic and very workable. please, tell me how it is a poor idea. no one liked the punitive boycott idea( which i still favor) however, i can see your side of that issue. this one seems great....marco will say i am hurting those who own etc those mundane eateries and mini convenience stores that dot the landscape that surround the coffeeshops... sacrifices have to be made, mister. not to mention they are scheduled to be pushed out in the grand gentrification plan anyhow if the coffeeshops are not saved. hoping for actual discourse and not unwarranted moralizing or moronic one liners. good one liners always appreciated... forgot,uncle ron, will claim that we should not interfere with holland"s sovereignty or whatever . i say i'll fight against oppression everywhere on this issue because i feel it is unrepresented. and ,yes, the us deserves some punitive measure for starting this awful freedom sapping drug war bullshit. i would love to see world wide stoner population come down on the US.it would eventually really help us if it succeeded. i just think it is much easier to punish holland and make an initial stand there.then the US . get all these motherfuckers to respect our united power and allow us the same rights as a drinker .

[mrdcotor]

the punitive boycott idea

When and if will be sure we were kicked out every municipalities, even the ones who still want us, I'll tell you my punitive ideas.

[piedpiperofvice]

the punitive boycott idea

When and if will be sure we were kicked out every municipalities, even the ones who still want us, I'll tell you my punitive ideas.

alright!!! someone else with a little fire in the belly. can't wait to hear them,mrdcotor.,,paesano by blood..sicillian,calbrese, and neopolitan...oh no here comes the troll.. since nazi references are off the table i will assume pol pot and stalin are ,also. how bout the crusades or inquisition ? is there a statute of limitations or something?

[wietroker]

i am going to reiterate my last idea for the hell of it. hoping a coffeeshop owner runs with it. all of you kind of panned or ignored it. fair enough you don't share the vision. hoping someone who does sees it.i sure as hell don't have the time but a coffeeshop owner should. First step.... write bill maher , musicians and other like minded folks and see if they would do benefit concerts etc for the coffeeshop. set up a worldwide coffeeshop relief fund.. 2nd use that money to subsidize as many coffeeshops as possible. if they don't go bankrupt then they can stay in business, unprofitable or not. at that point it seems like they would have to enact another law to shut down the shops. it would probably have to be some lame local zoning law or a law with a new national coalition less likely to enact one at this time. the local government is not in favor of closing the coffeeshops so in order to prevent good real estate from being underused( in this case money losing ,fairly empty coffeeshops ) they may just choose not to enforce this on a local level. the cops already don't favor the restrictions. we wont have an argument from them. again the coffeeshops will be subsidized allowing them to retain their prime real estate. the opposition plan is for them to go bk and willingly sell their property and lose their license.this would put a big hole in the coffeeshops opponents hands if the coffeeshops did not go out of business. uncle ron seemed to misunderstand last time i mentioned this . hoping he and other can grasp it now. think it sucks ok but in reality this is VERY workable. 60 mil euro a year would go a long way toward dealing a serious blow to these..... or rather THOSE WHO WOULD SUPPRESS LIBERTIES AND PERSECUTE OTHERS .. this is totally on topic and very workable. please, tell me how it is a poor idea. no one liked the punitive boycott idea( which i still favor) however, i can see your side of that issue. this one seems great....marco will say i am hurting those who own etc those mundane eateries and mini convenience stores that dot the landscape that surround the coffeeshops... sacrifices have to be made, mister. not to mention they are scheduled to be pushed out in the grand gentrification plan anyhow if the coffeeshops are not saved. hoping for actual discourse and not unwarranted moralizing or moronic one liners. good one liners always appreciated... forgot,uncle ron, will claim that we should not interfere with holland"s sovereignty or whatever . i say i'll fight against oppression everywhere on this issue because i feel it is unrepresented. and ,yes, the us deserves some punitive measure for starting this awful freedom sapping drug war bullshit. i would love to see world wide stoner population come down on the US.it would eventually really help us if it succeeded. i just think it is much easier to punish holland and make an initial stand there.then the US . get all these motherfuckers to respect our united power and allow us the same rights as a drinker .

Learn to use the "Enter" key and someone might actually read that...I got as far as the Bill Maher/benefits concerts part (seriously, do you think the Dutch and the coffeeshop scene give a flying fuck about some American musician???), laughed and couldn't be bothered reading the rest.

edit: I'm not trying to be mean. Come on man.

[piedpiperofvice]

i am going to reiterate my last idea for the hell of it. hoping a coffeeshop owner runs with it. all of you kind of panned or ignored it. fair enough you don't share the vision. hoping someone who does sees it.i sure as hell don't have the time but a coffeeshop owner should. First step.... write bill maher , musicians and other like minded folks and see if they would do benefit concerts etc for the coffeeshop. set up a worldwide coffeeshop relief fund.. 2nd use that money to subsidize as many coffeeshops as possible. if they don't go bankrupt then they can stay in business, unprofitable or not. at that point it seems like they would have to enact another law to shut down the shops. it would probably have to be some lame local zoning law or a law with a new national coalition less likely to enact one at this time. the local government is not in favor of closing the coffeeshops so in order to prevent good real estate from being underused( in this case money losing ,fairly empty coffeeshops ) they may just choose not to enforce this on a local level. the cops already don't favor the restrictions. we wont have an argument from them. again the coffeeshops will be subsidized allowing them to retain their prime real estate. the opposition plan is for them to go bk and willingly sell their property and lose their license.this would put a big hole in the coffeeshops opponents hands if the coffeeshops did not go out of business. uncle ron seemed to misunderstand last time i mentioned this . hoping he and other can grasp it now. think it sucks ok but in reality this is VERY workable. 60 mil euro a year would go a long way toward dealing a serious blow to these..... or rather THOSE WHO WOULD SUPPRESS LIBERTIES AND PERSECUTE OTHERS .. this is totally on topic and very workable. please, tell me how it is a poor idea. no one liked the punitive boycott idea( which i still favor) however, i can see your side of that issue. this one seems great....marco will say i am hurting those who own etc those mundane eateries and mini convenience stores that dot the landscape that surround the coffeeshops... sacrifices have to be made, mister. not to mention they are scheduled to be pushed out in the grand gentrification plan anyhow if the coffeeshops are not saved. hoping for actual discourse and not unwarranted moralizing or moronic one liners. good one liners always appreciated... forgot,uncle ron, will claim that we should not interfere with holland"s sovereignty or whatever . i say i'll fight against oppression everywhere on this issue because i feel it is unrepresented. and ,yes, the us deserves some punitive measure for starting this awful freedom sapping drug war bullshit. i would love to see world wide stoner population come down on the US.it would eventually really help us if it succeeded. i just think it is much easier to punish holland and make an initial stand there.then the US . get all these motherfuckers to respect our united power and allow us the same rights as a drinker .

Learn to use the "Enter" key and someone might actually read that...I got as far as the Bill Maher/benefits concerts part (seriously, do you think the Dutch and the coffeeshop scene give a flying fuck about some American musician???), laughed and couldn't be bothered reading the rest.

edit: I'm not trying to be mean. Come on man.

i apologize ..because you did not read the rest that would explain you missing the point. the dutch or whoever don't have to give a fuck about bill maher. however, if some weed friendly bands play

benefit concerts for the coffeeshop i am sure some people would go to the concert . this would generate money for the coffeeshops to stay in business when in the free market system they would

go bankrupt because of the weed pass. if they are paying their rent they can stay in business and not lose their spots in prime real estate and their precious licenses. having these remain in

existence will ensure that there is not a big land grab by the government eager to gentrify the area. perhaps this will force a compromise and allow wietpas to exclude amsterdam. it is all about the

ability to financially help the coffeeshops




in town sept 30 to oct 4 hoping to meet acd members for t and t . i'll buy ,wietroker. i end up buying way more than i smoke.

[piedpiperofvice]

better yet use the money raised to buy the real estate that the coffeeshops sit on and charge the coffeeshops a workable rent given the realities of the wietpas . then it would take some real machiavellian schemes by the opposition to oust the coffeeshop footprint. yes ......benefit concerts and a world wide stoner fund coupled with donations from big time weed supporters could buy some expensive amsterdam real estate. making a stand for a sensible cannabis policy

[Smirks]

Laughable, your name ain't the piedpiperofADvice. Benefit gigs, buy real estate, go spark up another one and hope for better inspiration next time. It's not even worth pointing out the things that make this idea so much fail.

[piedpiperofvice]

Laughable, your name ain't the piedpiperofADvice. Benefit gigs, buy real estate, go spark up another one and hope for better inspiration next time. It's not even worth pointing out the things that make this idea so much fail.

aw c'mon give me a few. it might make me see the folly of my ways. you could have gone with piedpiperofBADvice ..you know bad advice . that might have been good ,also. and you are so right. it is impossible to imagine that the possibly hundreds of millions tokers in the developed world who would treat a dollar or euro as small change would be able to raise the money to buy up real estate of the 100 coffeeshops in the most desirable locations. simple math might prove you wrong but ,sure, you are right it is laughable and as missika says absurd. i guess you win. you have clearly and convincingly demonstrated that you are correct by not mentioning the rational at all

[piedpiperofvice]

if you secure some of that real estate you have a bargaining chip. without out it we've got to hope for a weed dealing nightmare for the police to incite reconsideration of the wietpas or a local government that flouts the national government. At this late stage it would seem better to strive for all available tools

[Mikissa]

If we are over with this absurd and useless off topic and mutual offences (sometimes i get the feeling this is a forum for crackheads and cocaine lovers LOL), grey area posted this on facebook

http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl ... ek-wietpas

oh btw, nothing against crack or cocaine, actually i love them cause they make my face like this --->

[piedpiperofvice]

If we are over with this absurd and useless off topic and mutual offences (sometimes i get the feeling this is a forum for crackheads and cocaine lovers LOL), grey area posted this on facebook

http://translate.google.nl/translate?hl ... ek-wietpas

oh btw, nothing against crack or cocaine, actually i love them cause they make my face like this --->

more of a meth guy myself. this sounds like sanity may be creeping into the game based on the article

[buster.g40]

What a read that was...

[Marco]

Laughable, your name ain't the piedpiperofADvice. Benefit gigs, buy real estate, go spark up another one and hope for better inspiration next time. It's not even worth pointing out the things that make this idea so much fail.

aw c'mon give me a few. it might make me see the folly of my ways. you could have gone with piedpiperofBADvice ..you know bad advice . that might have been good ,also. and you are so right. it is impossible to imagine that the possibly hundreds of millions tokers in the developed world who would treat a dollar or euro as small change would be able to raise the money to buy up real estate of the 100 coffeeshops in the most desirable locations. simple math might prove you wrong but ,sure, you are right it is laughable and as missika says absurd. i guess you win. you have clearly and convincingly demonstrated that you are correct by not mentioning the rational at all

You are thinking about solutions, I will give you that. And you don't advocate violence like meth head veggie.....but come on. Benefit concerts to support coffee shops?

First off, I doubt it is even legal in the US to raise money for basically illegal activities. Second, what makes you think the real estate these shops lie on is even for sale? You are really missing the complicated reality of the business situation here.

But for fun, lets say you raise enough to save ONE shop, probably not in the center ($$). Lets say Hugo de Groot. Now you are subsidizing my weed purchases, but to what end? How does this save all shops?