Cannabis Cup - will it be the last in Dam and end coffeshops

[Slip & Sal]

I disagree. I am talking specifically about the weed available in the shops.So was I

Don't recall the coffeeshop scene in Australia anything similar to that of Netherlands...so that's not really relevant. There is weed in Australia is that relevant, I also was only talking about the quality of weed going to shit. Of course we don't have a coffeeshop system, but we have cannabis being sold, not regulated, run by criminals and all off the street as it's called, exactly the way the Holland is headed if they persist with this weed pass. I'd like to see someone like Gapie (no offense Gapie, just using you as an example.) last a year on one shop and a limit of 3 grams a day, without buying "off the street"

Its simple supply and demand.Shit weed is better for supply and demand. Takes more to smoke, you buy more, they sell more if it is all shit, what do you do? buy it and smoke shit. Wet weed weighs more. You going to complain to a Motorcycle gang, to tell them your weed was wet?

When there's less need, prices drop. To get a better margin, suppliers need a better product in a flooded market.

Drugs became illegal,got dearer.When there's less need, people don't care as much.

This isn't a personal theory, its the life of an economy.

Your economy must be different then ours, if there is less need prices increase to catch up the slack and they make the good stuff dearer.

[doctordude]

I'd like to see someone like Gapie (no offense Gapie, just using you as an example.) last a year on one shop and a limit of 3 grams a day, without buying "off the street"

First, he'll choose the shop with the best quality and so will everybody else. This will get rid of a lot of shops who sell crappy and/or overpriced stuff and that in turn will increase the quality in the market as a whole. You're talking about "illegal" and "Motorcycle gangs" which leads me to believe that you're missing the important point: that the market would still be regulated and competitive, at least for NL residents. You may not complain to your gang, but Gapie could easily switch to a different coffeeshop.

I'm not so sure about the "One shop" and "3g per day" rules, is that really the plan? But even so, dudes, you don't get along on 3g per day? Seriously? Or is it "seriously addicted with an extreme high tolerance"? Anyway, I consider myself a heavy smoker and under extreme circumstances, e.g. Lowlands festival, I consume maybe 1.5g per day. And that amount tends to render my friends nearly unconscious. So I think it's safe to assume that the number of people who have a problem with the amount is really negligible.

[treetop]

Where is the 'I don't know' option?

Surely if the wietpas comes in the cup will move.

Simples.

[spidergawd]

[MellowStu]

Doctordude I dont mean this to sound rude but IMO smoking 1g a day does not make you a heavysmoker?! How many joints do you get out of a gram of weed? I would get 2 nice joints out of a gram. Some people smoke for medical reasons and would need more than 3g a day. There are 7 of us off to Amsterdam in a couple of weeks! I am certain that everyone of us will be buying and smoking far more than 3g a day!!

[doctordude]

Doctordude I dont mean this to sound rude but IMO smoking 1g a day does not make you a heavysmoker?! How many joints do you get out of a gram of weed?

A friend of mine is a social worker working with addicts, in his case mainly heroin but he studied all drugs at university. He tells me I'm in the "heavy" category because of regularity and larger amounts. He says I should be concerned about addiction and be on the lookout for symptoms of psychosis... but so far no disembodied voices talk to me Another friend is a clinical psychiatrist in a general hospital's ER and he agrees. Since those are my friends who seem to like me, i believe them!

For me, it's like this: if weed is available and there is nothing else going on, it's roughly 0.5g in the evening starting 2h after work. At the weekend it's 1g per day, sometimes eating / drinking is involved. I usually start in the afternoon, after chores are done and eat / drink before going into a club where dancing is involved and smoking may be difficult (Germany is generally tolerant, but not always). Festivals are the extreme, especially dutch festivals Starts with 0.3g to get (not too) high in the morning, then 0.1 per hour with breaks for food and concerts (up-front, where it's to crowded to enjoy smoking). Lowlands goes 3 days and I usually bring 5g from A'dam. But I actually like to remember things, even on festivals And friends who are not heavy users, e.g. the odd joint at the weekend, just cannot keep up with my pace at festivals, puts them into a catatonic state. So I seem to have developed a certain tolerance to weed already. Also I'm a purely recreational user, have a job, a life, friends who don't smoke regularly or at all etc.

Easy test: go a few weeks without wiet, be on the lookout for things like extreme mood swings, unability to focus etc.. If that's more than a bit annoying (a bit of craving is OK), be concerned!

edit: apropos 0.5g per joint... I once went to Dutch Flowers and, being slightly broke, went for a joint instead of a bag. Smoked said joint alone and went out to sit on the Spui. Started of fun enough, heightened senses, intense colors, nice chats/laughs etc. Stopped being funny when I tried to talk "birdish" to the pidgeons and could no longer keep up an english (2nd language for me) conversation with the dutch on my bench. Lend my Cell to a dutch girl for a call to a friend, she leaves voicemail message. A few minutes later the friend gets the message and hits call-back thus calling me, quite logically it seems now. But at the time I just didn't get it, not at all. If the dutch girl hadn't taken my phone from me, they would have missed each other... Went back to Dutch Flowers after 2h and asked how much they put in the joint: 0.6g of their best weed... That kind of crazy, non-functional and plainly weird behavior may be fun once in a while, but it's not something I strive for on a regular basis...

[MellowStu]

How many cannabis addicts has your friend or his co workers treated, out of interest? I know plenty of people who hold down jobs, have kids, a life as you put it that smoke a fair bit.
How much tabbaco are you using with you joints if you are getting 7/8 a day on the weekend? I would be more worried about smoking tabbaco than smoking weed.

[doctordude]

How many cannabis addicts has your friend or his co workers treated, out of interest? I know plenty of people who hold down jobs, have kids, a life as you put it that smoke a fair bit.
How much tabbaco are you using with you joints if you are getting 7/8 a day on the weekend? I would be more worried about smoking tabbaco than smoking weed.

The social worker is not involved with soft drugs, just heroin, providing needles and talking people into supervised methadon programs. The ER guy gets only the acute cases, 2-3 per weekend. Those are usually inexperienced users who get paranoid about the bodily effects like increased heart rate. The I-get-an-infarction or the I-cannot-breathe-anymore crowd. But those 2 types make regular appearances in an inner-city hospital at the weekend. Treatment involves calming words and placebos i.e. colored sugar pills.

Also I don't say that I'm addicted to wiet, I'm pretty certain I'm not, since I haven't smoked for the last 3 weeks. I'm REALLY looking forward to Amsterdam though and if I smell wiet during a dancehall party I'm like "Damn, I'd like some" but it's easily manageable.
I just say that science and medicine calls somebody like me a "heavy user" since after A'dam I will smoke at least 0.5g on most days until my stash runs out. Medium users smoke at weekends, light users smoke monthly or less. Usually these questions are based on the last 12 months of usage. So if you smoked within the last 12 month you're a "user" for a researcher / doctor, with the different grades as explained above. That's just the definition of "usage" and says nothing about addiction, only about risk.

And yes, tobacco is a bigger concern for me than wiet and in that case I have to admit to a full-on addiction. Normally I'm a heavy cigarette smoker but when I smoke wiet I hardly smoke any cigarettes so that (hopefully) balances out. I also use short slim-line papers, usually OCB-black papers sized like a "normal" rolling paper but with the thin paper found in "joint" papers when I smoke alone or in a club.

And remember that this discussion started about a daily limit of 3g with the new Wietpas (btw, source, anybody?). And with that amount you're either a really wasteful smoker (don't bogart that joint, brother ) or you don't hold down a job. At least not in my business, IT consulting working on-site with customers. Also the amounts I gave are for high-quality Nederwiet, not the crappy stuff I get here in Germany.

[Slip & Sal]

I just added up a weeks worth that I did over when I was in Amsterdam, and divided it by 7 and it worked out to be around 5.5 grams a day. maybe a gram a day of crap.

[doctordude]

I just added up a weeks worth that I did over when I was in Amsterdam, and divided it by 7 and it worked out to be around 5.5 grams a day. maybe a gram a day of crap.

I don't get how or why you guys do that... Tomorrow morning around 10:30 I'll go into a shop and smoke 0.2g of the best Sativa they offer through a Volcano. Then I'm high Of course I COULD smoke more, I mean the vaporizer is there and so is the weed, but it wouldn't really get me any higher. After probably 45 minutes, the effects start to wear of and it's time to change the shop and smoke again. But this time a bit less because I'm still a bit high.

Rinse and Repeat until 6pm when my bus takes me home. I'll have been high all the time, been to the Stedelijk and watched the pictures move, done a crawl of De Pijp and all in all smoked around 1g. If I'm not already completely tired and wasted I may have stopped at paradox and eaten a quarter slice of their space-cake. That should keep me happy on the 3.5h bus ride back home. That's the day-trip scenario: be high, have fun, but stay active and don't be that weird stoner-tourist who's talking to pidgeons

Maybe it's just me, but there is a pretty nice city behind the shop windows and if I'd smoke 5.5g per day I couldn't really appreciate it...

[Uncle Ron]

I just added up a weeks worth that I did over when I was in Amsterdam, and divided it by 7 and it worked out to be around 5.5 grams a day. maybe a gram a day of crap.

I don't get how or why you guys do that... Tomorrow morning around 10:30 I'll go into a shop and smoke 0.2g of the best Sativa they offer through a Volcano. Then I'm high Of course I COULD smoke more, I mean the vaporizer is there and so is the weed, but it wouldn't really get me any higher. After probably 45 minutes, the effects start to wear of and it's time to change the shop and smoke again. But this time a bit less because I'm still a bit high.

Rinse and Repeat until 6pm when my bus takes me home. I'll have been high all the time, been to the Stedelijk and watched the pictures move, done a crawl of De Pijp and all in all smoked around 1g. If I'm not already completely tired and wasted I may have stopped at paradox and eaten a quarter slice of their space-cake. That should keep me happy on the 3.5h bus ride back home. That's the day-trip scenario: be high, have fun, but stay active and don't be that weird stoner-tourist who's talking to pidgeons

Maybe it's just me, but there is a pretty nice city behind the shop windows and if I'd smoke 5.5g per day I couldn't really appreciate it...

I used to think the same thing, how can some smoke all that gear every day, but then realized that some have a high tolerance.
About the same principle with drinkers, dunno, could be...

As for the main topic, I don't know if it will be the last cup or the end of coffee shops as we know it, but I'll keep on truckin' until they refuse me entry.
Let's all chuck the hype, the dozens of retreaded threads, and just keep on truckin'...
No logical reason that I can think of not to, so let's go...
...

[sensismiler]

People who have a glass of wine with dinner are classed as alcoholics. People who smoke more than 1g a day are druggies. It's all rubbish. Who makes these 'rules'? So smoking only 0.95g means I'm not an addict??

Our Queen has a glass of sherry with her dinner. Nobodies pointing the finger at her majesty telling her she's a piss head!

I work hard 5 days a week. If fancying a hard earned spliff at the end of the day makes me addicted then so be it.. The man can do one!


Anyway, I cant imagine the CC will end. Surely the shops or seed companies that enter can supply weed as part of the package? By that I mean making the testers part of the package price therefore cutting out the coffeeshops and wietpass? Surely the wietpass is just a ban on purchasing and not possession?

[doctordude]

As for the main topic, I don't know if it will be the last cup or the end of coffee shops as we know it, but I'll keep on truckin' until they refuse me entry.
Let's all chuck the hype, the dozens of retreaded threads, and just keep on truckin'...
No logical reason that I can think of not to, so let's go...

I'm about to
But in keeping with the old wisdom of "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" I won't book anything 420-related until the Dutchies sort it out. Even though 420 is a Saturday which would be perfect Instead I'm planning monthly visits until the end of the year, just in case

I work hard 5 days a week. If fancying a hard earned spliff at the end of the day makes me addicted then so be it.. The man can do one!

That makes you a "heavy user" which is not necessarily a bad thing. Addiction is defined different, mainly through negative consequences for yourself. Heavy User = A Joint after work. Addict = A Joint before work and getting fired for that...

[spidergawd]

Ah Doctordude we're all different some of us want to party our ways through the maze and some of us have to do the serious stuff. I have managed over a life, to have done a fair amount of both I'm pleased to say .

As it happens, from being a lunatic toker when I was young, and always being employed in the meanwhile, I find myself in the last few years comfortable with a consumption similar to your own. But I have always been an all day every day buzz freak so yes, "My name is Al and weed is my God" .

[Willjay]

Ah Doctordude we're all different some of us want to party our ways through the maze and some of us have to do the serious stuff. I have managed over a life, to have done a fair amount of both I'm pleased to say .

As it happens, from being a lunatic toker when I was young, and always being employed in the meanwhile, I find myself in the last few years comfortable with a consumption similar to your own. But I have always been an all day every day buzz freak so yes, "My name is Al and weed is my God" .

Hi Al