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spidergawd wrote:Ah Doctordude we're all different some of us want to party our ways through the maze and some of us have to do the serious stuff.

I like to Party too That's why I enjoy e.g. Lowlands, basically a 3-day non-stop Party, program from noon to 4am. But with 5g in my system I wouldn't even get to a Stage, let alone the after-parties. Or getting a whitey up-front during Heideroosjes... no fun at all... even seriously dangerous
Or ADE with it's dozens of locations and hundreds of artists. I'd be like "Melk-what? Simian Mobile Who?" No way that would work, never really has...

But back to the topic at hand: I still like your optimism... Nota single vote for "The end is nigh"

Willjay wrote:

spidergawd wrote:Ah Doctordude we're all different some of us want to party our ways through the maze and some of us have to do the serious stuff. I have managed over a life, to have done a fair amount of both I'm pleased to say .

As it happens, from being a lunatic toker when I was young, and always being employed in the meanwhile, I find myself in the last few years comfortable with a consumption similar to your own. But I have always been an all day every day buzz freak so yes, "My name is Al and weed is my God" .

Hi Al

Hi Bill

doctordude wrote:

spidergawd wrote:Ah Doctordude we're all different some of us want to party our ways through the maze and some of us have to do the serious stuff.

I like to Party too That's why I enjoy e.g. Lowlands, basically a 3-day non-stop Party, program from noon to 4am. But with 5g in my system I wouldn't even get to a Stage, let alone the after-parties. Or getting a whitey up-front during Heideroosjes... no fun at all... even seriously dangerous
Or ADE with it's dozens of locations and hundreds of artists. I'd be like "Melk-what? Simian Mobile Who?" No way that would work, never really has...

But back to the topic at hand: I still like your optimism... Nota single vote for "The end is nigh"

With 5g in my lungs I could get ON stage and play the show... You consider yourself as a heavy user because you smoke 1g during a day in te dam ? And smoking a .6 joint makes you talk to birds ? You're too cute

hey Dr. Dude, (cough) LIGHTWEIGHT (cough) . stop being such a pesemist, the weitpass isn't a popular idea with the local governmants, even though it is a " LAW" the local governments know where their bread is buttered. they ain't gonna piss away any dollars because of a few stuffy fuckers from the conservative parties. Defecit problems are a source of concern for many of the Eurozone nations, and they need all of the dollars they can get. ( the Mayors of these cities have more power than you think, and they are the ones who would feel the direct impact financially. ) So chill the hell out.. and smoke a whole gram joint

Sincerely , Nurse Dude

Dude! Them pigeons are cool, we don't have converse pigeons like that in Oz mate!

Doc, if you think addiction (to cannabis) is defined by whether you have a joint before work (and get fired for it) then to quote Frank Gallagher "you know fuck all about fuck all."

Slip & Sal wrote: if there is less need prices increase to catch up the slack

Lets agree to disagree, because I think this could happen in a smaller marijuana market like your area.

In a bigger market like the Netherlands, they could seriously see massive reductions in sales almost overnight once tourists can't purchase.

So I think the dynamic is different in AMS and the Netherlands in the respect that it's a pseudo-legal economy, which is more stable and predictable day to day than the black market.

jimi62471 wrote:hey Dr. Dude, (cough) LIGHTWEIGHT (cough) . stop being such a pesemist, the weitpass isn't a popular idea with the local governmants, even though it is a " LAW" the local governments know where their bread is buttered.

Being a lightweight saves me a lot of money, so I'm cool with that Had a 0.2g joint yesterday and finally understood abstract art, a first for me! Mondrian et al must have been high all the time

And as far as pessimism goes, I see myself as more of a realist. The main reason I joined this forum at all IS the Wietpas. Before May there was no reason for me to go to Amsterdam for the coffeeshops. Instead I did more or less weekly trips to Venlo, fast and cheap. But Venlo is in Limburg province, one of the 3 southern provices where the Wietpas already is in place. And it IS enforced, at least as far as foreigners are concerned, even though the Major, citizens and police HATE it for the negative consequences. So I wouldn't put "Law" in qotation marks since the dutch, as a whole, rather like Law & Order. And if you're a major or a cop, you follow the law or you loose your job. So that's what they'll do, whether it really makes sense or not.

Forgive me for being "a pessimist", but I experience the negative effects of the wietpas RIGHT NOW...

What a scene Amsterdam will become should all the weed tourism is isolated there.

doctordude wrote:

jimi62471 wrote:hey Dr. Dude, (cough) LIGHTWEIGHT (cough) . stop being such a pesemist, the weitpass isn't a popular idea with the local governmants, even though it is a " LAW" the local governments know where their bread is buttered.

Being a lightweight saves me a lot of money, so I'm cool with that Had a 0.2g joint yesterday and finally understood abstract art, a first for me! Mondrian et al must have been high all the time
And as far as pessimism goes, I see myself as more of a realist. The main reason I joined this forum at all IS the Wietpas. Before May there was no reason for me to go to Amsterdam for the coffeeshops. Instead I did more or less weekly trips to Venlo, fast and cheap. But Venlo is in Limburg province, one of the 3 southern provices where the Wietpas already is in place. And it IS enforced, at least as far as foreigners are concerned, even though the Major, citizens and police HATE it for the negative consequences. So I wouldn't put "Law" in qotation marks since the dutch, as a whole, rather like Law & Order. And if you're a major or a cop, you follow the law or you loose your job. So that's what they'll do, whether it really makes sense or not.
Forgive me for being "a pessimist", but I experience the negative effects of the wietpas RIGHT NOW...

Nah, you ain't no lightweight. You chose to smoke an amount that's comfortable for you, nothing else really matters, assholes/elbows/opinions included.
I limit the amount that I smoke whenever I'm away from home, just feels right for me. If I'm labeled a lightweight, whatever... I'll be like - Next...
Living in the south, the pass system definitely has a negative effect on me...
Used to be a time that I could travel (3.5hr drive) to Maastricht, Venlo, or even up to Eindhoven to sample their gear, sometimes gear that wasn't to be found in the Mokum.
Now, it's the northern provinces or nothing, and that might come to an end in some form or fashion. This, in part, is the cause for some pessimistic outlooks.
As Doc Dude stated, it's happening now.
wiet pass sucks ass...
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TwoCanucks wrote:What a scene Amsterdam will become should all the weed tourism is isolated there.

Well, I only know about Venlo, which is a small city with only <150k people. But is has a cheap train connection (like the Metro in A'dam) to the Rhine-Ruhr-Area of Germany and has traditionally been a major destinaton for drug tourists. A report on public television once called the train the "Drug Express" in a documentary But before the Wietpas it was OK, with only the odd street dealer at the station now and then.

Anyway, now you are being chatted up frequently for ANY kind of drugs, have kids aged 12 or so selling weed and groups of rather young dealers on every major square in the city. The best of the bunch were a group of teenagers, trying to sell weed to a german camera team doing a "100days with the Wietpas" documentary - not with a hidden camera, mind you, but with a huge old-school shoulder-mounted thing. Locals are pissed because of drug tourists asking them to shop on their behalf. But businesses have hardly suffered, because Venlo is so close that it's mainly buy-and-fly. And of course 2 out of 5 shops are already closed.

For A'dam: Do you remember the old days in the RLD with dealers on every bridge trying to shamelessly chat you up "Pssst, hashish, cocain, heroin, LSD?", I think it would be like that, but all over the centrum and canals. Street dealers would be mainly minors due to juvenile law. And of course in A'dam tourism would suffer more because people tend to stay overnight, have to eat, etc. Coffeeshop-hotels would be especially hard hit and most coffeeshops would close, those in the centrum suffering the most.

To summarize, it would be a desaster for the city, that's why the major and council are opposed.

we all agree this is a problem.. with any amount of luck , the weitpas will go away and not be an issue. I had to bail for unrelated reasons this fall, but i would like a chance to see Amsterdam in the spring . .

I'm just wondering what would happen OUTSIDE of the shops? ID checks, Search & Seizure in the Vondelpark? How would the owners of e.g. Nes or Rookies react to smoking foreigners in the pubs? Or would that still be tolerated even though they obviously bought wiet on the black market? A crappy law, if I ever saw one...

Ah i hope it doesnt end here!! & what f-ing right has the d3ckheads geert wilders & mark ruitte got to tell a grown man or woman what to do anyways? f-all thats what,KD.

Kingdoc wrote:Ah i hope it doesnt end here!! & what f-ing right has the d3ckheads geert wilders & mark ruitte got to tell a grown man or woman what to do anyways? f-all thats what,KD.

The same right as David Cameron? Forget about the Dutch for a moment and please remember that YOUR government (and the belgian, french, german) asked the Dutch to come up with a solution to drug tourism in the first place. In NL even the far-right has a more progressve aproach to drugs than any government in your or my country ever had. If you had a wietpas at home you wouldn't be here, whining about the Dutch, now would you?