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zootly wrote: I was merely pointing out that you are arguing like a person who argues for the existence of god. I have no problem with that, do you?

What I am trying to find out, is why the way I argue is any of your concern, and why my opinions are so important, you are willing to use diminutive labels and comparisons to attempt to change my opinion.

I have not labelled you as anything, other than being dogmatic, which you clearly are with regards to the point at hand. The point being that cannabis does have medicinal properties in case you had forgotten - you keep diverting the conversation.

Your opinion is as important as anyone else's, including mine. We are debating a topic in this forum, if you had said "there's no medicinal properties because of <list of published scientific studies to back you up>", I would be much less concerned with your method of argument and more concerned with the evidence you had presented.

But you haven't done that, so here we are. I agree though, there's no point in continuing.

zootly wrote:I have not labelled you as anything, other than being dogmatic, which you clearly are with regards to the point at hand. The point being that cannabis does have medicinal properties in case you had forgotten - you keep diverting the conversation.

There are absolutely no medicinal properties in cannabis. This is a topic with which I do not negotiate. There is no ammount of research or papers that will ever change my mind on the topic. It really is just as simple as that. I do not change the topic, you, and your little mate Old Fart do that, bringing labels and accusations into the argument, rather than just accepting the fact that I hold a differing and totally unwavering opinion on the matter. Unfortunately, you chose with a few others to turn this into a hostile argument, something I am more than willing to continue for an indefinite period of time.

zootly wrote: Your opinion is as important as anyone else's, including mine. We are debating a topic in this forum, if you had said "there's no medicinal properties because of <list of published scientific studies to back you up>", I would be much less concerned with your method of argument and more concerned with the evidence you had presented.

We are not debating, I made a comment, and I have been victimised and abused for holding it. I do not justify my opinions, I hold them - you either accept it and move on, or turn it into a never ending argument. I do not quit, and I never, ever back down.

I hold the opinion that marijuana has no medical properties, I do not back this up with evidence, and I do not justify my position, to you or anyone else. I hope this has clarified the situation to a point where you can understand it better.

zootly wrote: But you haven't done that, so here we are. I agree though, there's no point in continuing.

And I never will. I will argue my opinion from now until the end of time if I have to.

Joshua Opinion:
I hold the opinion that marijuana has no medical properties

Real World Fact:
In about 65% of both normal subjects and patients with glaucoma, THC has been shown to reduce the intraocular pressure (IOP), and both oral THC and smoked cannabis are effective

Joshua already admits he is not open to being convinced, so any further discussion is futile.

Facts are facts. Opinions are opinions, and the two clearly dont always mix.

Well, unless the OP or anyone else has anything interesting to say on topic, I'm not feeding the troll anymore, can go believe in fairies for all I care

Ask the bud tender (think his name is Adam) at Grey Area about the cat which was dying of cancer. He will tell you a nice story and provide you with a link to back his story up. According to the docs the cat was as good as dead... happy ending to that one.

Yawn....
...these threads are becoming quite the bore
...seems the only reason they exist is so some can work out their personal issues
Next...
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StillSmokin wrote:Well, unless the OP or anyone else has anything interesting to say on topic, I'm not feeding the troll anymore, can go believe in fairies for all I care

Maybe you'd like to tell us all who you think that "troll" is? No doubt this "troll", is someone who refuses to buy into a popular and overused stoner cliche, or otherwise holds a differing view, but I would be very interested for you to elaborate further.

Got better things to do with my time - go read the internets - they'll tell ya

StillSmokin wrote:Got better things to do with my time - go read the internets - they'll tell ya

No, I'd quite like to hear your explanation, since it was your comment.

So, once again, care to elaborate further on your comment?

any1 care to get this topic back on track lol. i know it helps with my back pain, but doesnt remove a pain in the ass lol

Been having a bit of a read this morning and have found several things showing that CBD has some Immunosuppressive capabilities - obviously not what you'd want when healing, unless you're trying to heal from something where you'd want to supress the immune system.

But then again there are many other things that would be helpful when recovering such as Analgesic, and in your friend's case bone-stimulant - apparently.

Now, I'm no doctor, nor have any medical training, but the most interesting report seen so far is this one (Trends in Pharmacological Sciences, Volume 30, Issue 10, 515-527, 1 October 2009, Pages 515–527) that does seem to reference quite a lot...

http://norml.org/news/2011/11/17/cannab ... ord-injury

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.tips.2009.07.006

Non-psychotropic plant cannabinoids: new therapeutic opportunities from an ancient herb

Angelo A. Izzo1, 4,
Francesca Borrelli1, 4,
Raffaele Capasso1, 4,
Vincenzo Di Marzo2, 4,
Raphael Mechoulam3

1 Department of Experimental Pharmacology, University of Naples Federico II, Naples, Italy
2 Institute of Biomolecular Chemistry, National Research Council, Pozzuoli (NA), Italy
3 Department of Medicinal Chemistry and Natural Products, Hebrew University Medical Faculty, Jerusalem, Israel
4 Endocannabinoid Research Group, Italy

Also found a link to a PDF from the Norml website to this, which is the relevant part of the publication above...
http://www.advancedholistichealth.org/P ... rticle.pdf

Check out the PIE chart - quite interesting (large pic in the PDF above) smaller one here:
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 470900128X

Joshuadrooney wrote: There are absolutely no medicinal properties in cannabis. This is a topic with which I do not negotiate. There is no ammount of research or papers that will ever change my mind on the topic. It really is just as simple as that.

People like you still believe the world is flat!
They too say that they will never change their mind no matter what evidence is presented to them.
Oh well, ignorance is bliss, enjoy it!
I hope you don't fall off the edge one day!

What the OP is trying to say is that there shouldn't really be med MJ just let people smoke.
I agree to that. But the problem is politically, it is far far easier to get the public at large to support medical rather than 'just to get stoned'. Of course there are many medical properties and uses.

Some states only allow for very serious ailments, while others are more open. For example, stress can be a killer, so if Cannabis helps people to relax, that is a medical use.