Will I ever get a proper stone off any vaporizer??

[Smirks]

TT - do you grind the bud first before you put it in, or do you put it in as an unground bud, vape it once, then grind and repeat?

You're better off eating a smaller more concentrated edible first, rather than having it as part of a larger meal. If you eat on (or in the process of getting) a full stomach, it takes much longer to take effect and the effect will likely be weaker. You'll be wanting to eat dinner pretty soon after anyway and it will taste so much better if you get baked first.

[treetop]

TT - do you grind the bud first before you put it in, or do you put it in as an unground bud, vape it once, then grind and repeat?

I don't grind till after the 1st or 2nd bag depending on how much bud is in there.

[USbongLord]

No

[templeball]

Well meanwhile 5 days cold turkey now, no weed and no tobacco, third time in 30 years only..my snatches of sleep appears to be merely a vehicle for dreams which would keep an analyst busy for years. Last night for example I dreamt in one small burst before waking up in a sweaty heap that I had a leaky roof, the plumber came, but all of a sudden he got sucked up the drainpipe and shot in the air like Augustus Gloop, I rushed upstairs to bollock a mystery girl whose fault Id decided it was, I shouted terrible things at her that I cant even bring myself to repeat here, then I wouldnt let her apologise until she had finished wanking off this huge big fat guy in the corner of my room who was sort of convulsing as the porno film wouldnt be finished otherwise, and so on (thats a mild one compared to some I have )...each time I get back to sleep another dream similar starts - I feel knackered.

Last time i did this after about 2 months I cracked, I couldnt take the dreams/sleep bit...

back to topic, Kermit & Bonglord I suspect we have fairly similar needs hedonism wise, judging from previous posts, so your words (or word in your case USBL!) are valuable to me. Treetop cheers also.

You know what I think, Kermit you touched on it, I just need a proper rest from smoking, period. I dont smoke cigarettes btw, but I do in reality because Im getting through 5-10 fags a day in the ever spiralling upwards amount of spliffs I smoke. Im going to try and cold turkey for as long as humanly/mentally possible from the lot, with or without fat men being masturbated all night That way I clear my lungs out, my resistance eventually will lower, surely, and maybe the paltry up buzz of a vape may be more enticing/satisfying...maybe I could sneak the odd neat spliff in too, once im over the tobacco withdrawal thing in time to come..

I do make a mean weed brownie, that may have to be an occasional treat as suggested by others here to escape these mind warping dreams as a survival strategy.

[bleak]

you may well be right, ive often worried that I love the slightly giddy tobacco hit as much as the weed stone, and I have simply forgotten what is what over the years, hence why the vape buzz seems so weak.

This.

If you're smoking mixed joints for most of your life, your definition of a "proper stone" is a mix of weed AND nicotine buzz. As mentioned by another member, there are substances released specifically by combustion process (eg. carbon dioxide). These substances have independent effects like dizziness/light-headedness/tiredness, which are contributing to your definition of a proper stone.

I've talked with a lot of people over the years who had this same problem as you do and couldn't seem to understand that they were missing the nicotine. They'd complain that the vaporizer isn't satisfying them, that they need their tobacco joints to get a good buzz. I'm afraid that many of those people were addicted to nicotine but won't admit it to themselves. There are also those who smoke strictly mixed joints and therefore try to argue that weed is addictive. In case someone isn't aware, nicotine is EXTREMELY addictive - and its a physical addiction that creates a chemical need for nicotine in your body. Weed doesn't create this chemical dependance.

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with mixing your substances, and I never criticize anyone for doing it. But you can't remove one of those substances and expect the other to fill the gap. I mix substances too, my favorite way to start the day is a coffee and vape. I find the caffeine "up" balances the weed and creates a unique effect which I really enjoy. But I wouldn't stop drinking coffee and then complain that the vaporizer isn't working, that would be silly. Mind you, I can see how it could happen if I had ALWAYS used coffee and weed together, and never on their own. I wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the caffeine and the weed.

So to break it down: No vaporizer can possibly give you the same buzz as a tobacco joint, because a vaporizer does not produce nicotine, carbon dioxide and the other extras that a joint produces. Different chemical compounds give different effects, theres no way around it.

Volcano: don't waste your money!! Its just a more expensive Extreme Q, there is virtually no difference in the vapor produced. It won't get you any more stoned.

If you want a heavy-hitting vaporizer, look into the VapeXhale Evo or the Subliminator. Theres also a new product coming out called the Versa Infinity which looks as good as the $500 Cloud Evo but will cost only $250. These all produce extremely strong, thick vapor which is close to smoke. But neither of those will give you a tobacco buzz of course! Only a more intense weed buzz.

[templeball]

you may well be right, ive often worried that I love the slightly giddy tobacco hit as much as the weed stone, and I have simply forgotten what is what over the years, hence why the vape buzz seems so weak.

This.

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So to break it down: No vaporizer can possibly give you the same buzz as a tobacco joint, because a vaporizer does not produce nicotine, carbon dioxide and the other extras that a joint produces. Different chemical compounds give different effects, theres no way around it.

Volcano: don't waste your money!! Its just a more expensive Extreme Q, there is virtually no difference in the vapor produced. It won't get you any more stoned.

If you want a heavy-hitting vaporizer, look into the VapeXhale Evo or the Subliminator. Theres also a new product coming out called the Versa Infinity which looks as good as the $500 Cloud Evo but will cost only $250. These all produce extremely strong, thick vapor which is close to smoke. But neither of those will give you a tobacco buzz of course! Only a more intense weed buzz.

thank you for the words of wisdom, all makes perfect sense.
Ive been watching this guy cough his way into a collapsed lung with the Sublimator
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIxhN7ZjpMI
it puts me off, maybe i just have to be happy with less, and grow up a bit
the pisser is that I threw away my extreme q in despair (nobody wanted it either at the time), and now ive quit spliffs and fags i have an awful feeling it might have produced a noticeable effect, now my resistance is lowering..

[Pierre von Mondragon]

Honestly, the bong is the answer, particularly with some extra ash-catcher/percolating etc madness to smooth it out more, plus loads of ice, though too much ice too often might give you pneumonia...

[spidergawd]

Honestly, the bong is the answer, particularly with some extra ash-catcher/percolating etc madness to smooth it out more, plus loads of ice, though too much ice too often might give you pneumonia...

Yeah but thats a load of arsing about to get stoned, OK if you're setting up for a session, but if you've got a bus to catch .

[orle]

For nicotine simply use tobacco extract (ecig liquid) on your bud. I often do this with indica, few tiny drops per bowl works fine and adds more body to the vapor. Also can be used to breath some life into dry harsh or generally less tasty bud.

[mrweed]

the only vaporizer that ever got me stoned is the firewood portable vaporizer http://vaporeview.wordpress.com/2014/03 ... vaporizer/! Normally, you get very high only. That's true, but I think your vaping temperature has a big influence on that. If 190°C don't get you high, try 210°C. However, you might already release ingrediens you want to avoid, this way.

[madmaxxx]

there nothing wrong with the arzier,it just takes a little longer to fill the bags and the design mean it easier to break{but all parts can be replaced},but it 1/3rd of the price of the volcano and that needs mainatence as well,if you aint getting stoned of the arzier your doing something wrong.

[dconstrukt]

get an airizer solo.

trust me.

gets you destroyed and uses almost no herb.

[Smirks]

Herborizer FTW!

[spidergawd]

Herborizer FTW!

+ 1 The Herborizer has to be one of, if not the smoothest THC delivery system I've encountered. Cheers Smirks Now I have to save up for one.

[treetop]

Herborizer FTW!

Will have a look at that one now I'm going the vape then eat route only from now on. Cheers for the heads up.