Rick Simpsons hemp oil

[ZBeebs]

Food grade is important because it is something you are ingesting. Naptha (paint thinner!) isn't food grade, and neither are the trace components found in it like benzene. You want to smoke benzene? Smoking carcinogens like that can cause cancer. Smoking the trace amounts of ethanol that might be left behind in an extraction will be much less harmful than smoking known carcinogens. Or vaping, or eating them for that matter.

Sorry, daily experience with no scientific method applied doesn't sway me, and shouldn't sway people anyway. Dr. Grinspoon asks those questions not only because he hasn't seen the evidence, but because there is NOTHING but anecdotal evidence that what he is doing is helping anyone. No testing before or after to see if these people have cancer, and then to see if his oil has cured them. NONE. NEVER. ZERO. NADA.

So if I go to him, having never seen a doctor, and tell him I have cancer, he takes it as fact. He then gives you his medicine, and when you don't get sicker, YOU ARE CURED. There is nothing scientific about that at all.

If I go to him while taking chemo or anything else from a doctor, and then also take his oil, he will claim with no testing, no real knowledge if it's true or not, that if I'm cured it is because of his oil and does not take into account any other info.

There is also no follow up with those patients, he does not do any long term studies... what has happened to all the cured people 6 months, a year, 5 years, or 10 years later? No one knows! Not because Rick doesn't share the statistics, it's because he doesn't have them.

I am NOT saying that cannabis doesn't have medical properties - it definitely does. But is it a miracle cure? Apparently, some think so even though there is no empirical scientific proof.

I'll say it again - if this was really legitimately curing people, of things like terminal cancer, you wouldn't be finding out from the corners of the web... those who are cured would be in the news... the papers... magazines... that's a real story that reporters would be all over... so either it's not really happening, or it's time for the conspiracy theories...

[tot ziens]

The guys making the Charlotte's Web oil in Colorado are treating 300 kids with 2,000 on a waiting list. Amazing results across the board. You can ignore this if you like but then you would be as foolish as the government that refuses to put cannabis as a schedule one so it can be legally studied. I bet the parents don't give a flip what fools think and you wouldn't either if you thought it would help your suffering child. If it's good enough for Sanjay Gupta an American neurosurgeon and an assistant professor of neurosurgery at Emory University School of Medicine and associate chief of the neurosurgery service at Grady Memorial Hospital in Atlanta, Georgia then it's proof enough for me and the thousands of children and adults it could be helping without silly obstructionists.

We have been told for the last 60 years by our governments and medical professionals that cannabis has no redeeming medical use and will turn us into zombies that want to rape and kill, why are we surprised that research hasn't caught up with the facts? How many people will die or suffer while waiting for "official studies"?

[ZBeebs]

Are those the kids getting treatments for seizures? Because that is the real deal with actual, visible, recorded, documented results.

Dr. Gupta used to be strongly anti-cannabis, he has recently come around.

Dr. Grinspoon is pro-cannabis and has no agenda to refute what Rick Simpson says.

Again, I'm not saying that it's all bullshit, there are lots of medical uses for cannabis and I understand that because of politics the research that needs to be done cannot happen. I hope that I'm wrong, and I'll eat my hat when it's proven that Rick Simpson oil is the best choice for cancer patients. If it turns out that cannabis does have properties necessary to defeat cancers, it will be in a form other than using Rick Simpsons method. I'm not saying a synthetic version, I'm saying a cleaner substance made under controlled conditions with known potency from batch to batch, and the knowledge of how much or how little is needed for that specific person and how best to administer it.

Cancer is a word that can mean many different things, it is not a description of one specific thing. Saying "Cannabis cures cancer" is like saying "Cannabis cures virus", meaning every and all virus. While that would be amazing, it's probably not true, and definitely not scientifically verified.

[milehigh]

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... re-cancer/

For your reading pleasure.

[milehigh]

Cancer is a word that can mean many different things, it is not a description of one specific thing. Saying "Cannabis cures cancer" is like saying "Cannabis cures virus", meaning every and all virus. While that would be amazing, it's probably not true, and definitely not scientifically verified.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/201 ... re-cancer/

Amazing if you ask me.

[Doc Holliday]

Some interesting reading here. I would not argue with Z or Milehigh one way or the other, as I think you guys are ALL bringing out valid points. I would say that remember the cancer industry is a MULTI-BILLION dollar industry. If there WAS a cheap cure that could be grown by a private individual or made in a crock pot, certainly Big Pharma might not like to see it exposed or at least "publicized". I am not a conspiracy theorist, BUT think about the money involved in "treating" cancer versus "curing" cancer, similar to diabetes. Again, some of these doctors have lost loved ones, so I am also not suggesting it CAN be cured, but it is food for thought and if a loved one has it ALWAYS worth exhausting everything possible. Some interesting reading on the a guy who battled the AMA is below. I do know of one guy personally who beat a lymphoma via this clinic after turned away at Rochester, MN to go home and die! AND they are not solely about money, as they will help financially disadvantaged people as well. But one person is anecdotal as well. Enjoyed reading your points on RS and his oil.

http://www.whale.to/cancer/hoxsey.html

[Slip & Sal]

I believe if they found a cure they would hush it up. Here in Qld. Australia. Cancer is one of our biggest profit makers.

Sure the food grade thing may be important when eating it, but when smoking it, that all goes out the window.

[ZBeebs]

So we've got conspiracy theories... that it will be "hushed up"... because money... maybe at first, but when the world starts learning, how is one country or group going to stop it?

And yes, FOOD GRADE DOES MATTER. Your lungs can absorb carcinogens much more efficiently than your stomach. So if you inhale something like vaporized benzene your lungs will absorb it just the same, if not faster than eating it.

Just because you "think" something may be a certain way doesn't make it so. There is so much opinion here masquerading as fact. OF COURSE if you smoke something that isn't for human consumption IT WILL BE BAD FOR YOU, and potentially worse than eating it. Otherwise why all the hate on tainted or sprayed weed? You're smoking it, not eating it, so those chemicals can't hurt you right? Soapbar should be fine to smoke, don't worry about the extra stuff, you're not eating it, right?

[Slip & Sal]

http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/hpawebfile/h ... 7147643281

from that:

Ethanol

General information

 Toxic via inhalation, ingestion, skin and eye exposure

from another site:

People have described that they experience the effects of the alcohol vapors almost immediately. However, the danger and risks are much more significant. Individuals who smoke alcohol are at a much higher risk of an alcohol overdose, referred to as “alcohol poisoning”. In the normal course of drinking, as people become more intoxicated, they generally vomit. Vomiting is the actually your body’s way of preventing an overdose. However, when alcohol bypasses the stomach and liver– as in “smoking” alcohol– there is no effective way to get rid of it. Once your brain has absorbed the ethanol, there is no way to expel it from your system.

The cancer society also lists it as a carcinogenic

What I keep trying to say that none of these methods using chemicals as solvents are safe. Once they are ignited it is bad news. No matter if it is food grade or not.

Water hash would be safer.

CO2 and Nitrogen as well I guess.

When ingesting it, and for interest sake- do you think that you would active the thc by heating the hash and then consuming it?

The reason I ask this is to mimic RSO oil he has applied heat. Do you think this has anything to do with it? You could cook it and eat it I guess, but I sorta believe it is because he has sort of melted down the whole plant, waxes, thc and all. I think maybe because he doesn't purify the shit out of his dope for smoking like the trend is, that this is part of it for medicine.

I'm interested at the moment in a thing called spagyrics. So this is all feeding my brain, or what I have left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spagyric