Tobacco in spliffs

[SubPop]

Hi folks,

What's the current situation re tobacco in spiffs? My last time in dam it was a case of don't make it obvious, is that still the case? I'm hearing a lot on this forum about tobacco in spliffs causing issues in coffee shops

If it's not possible any more then that's not an issue as I'll just get a pipe

Thanks stoners!

[Von Goat Weed]

tobacco causes cancer
Only way to go is pure
Taking out your tobacco can cause someone to scream
You like being screamed at go for it

[Padge247]

I pretty much always use tobacco in joints, and I have never been told not to in a coffeeshop. Often there are signs up, but I think these are a requirement, no where I have smoked enforces it.

[worldcitizen1723]

It ruins the taste and the smell of the weed.. But that's just personal opinion

In most places discretion is key.

[notsofasteddie]

It ruins the taste and the smell of the weed.. But that's just personal opinion

In most places discretion is key.

+1

[DedsOne]

tobacco causes cancer
Only way to go is pure
Taking out your tobacco can cause someone to scream
You like being screamed at go for it

u can still get Cancer even if u smoke em pure

[Uncle Ron]

Hi folks,

What's the current situation re tobacco in spiffs? My last time in dam it was a case of don't make it obvious, is that still the case? I'm hearing a lot on this forum about tobacco in spliffs causing issues in coffee shops

If it's not possible any more then that's not an issue as I'll just get a pipe

Thanks stoners!

Hoi,
I'd post the link to the Dutch Govt. website that addresses this very issue, but I'm stoned at the moment and can't be bothered... ... give Google a workout...
Bottom line - the use of tobacco products in an enclosed public space is against the law. Establishments that are caught violating this law can and have had their license to operate revoked. However, warnings can and usually are given in the form of escalating fines and temporary closures.
Note - If an establishment lost their license to operate, and among the charges were poor management, this in itself could be problematic for businessmen/women. Just the tip of the iceberg - banks would hesitate to approve loans, credit rating could take a hit, and the list goes on.
The subject matter experts, on this forum at least, are Highlyblessssssssssssssed (Voyagers coffee shop owner), Ingi Bingi (manager/bud tender/everything else for Coffee Shop Utopia), and DC (current manager/bartender/everything else for t'Nes).
There are some who don't give a shit and will light up regardless of the consequences... and those who tell others not to worry, just be stealthy. Stealthy? Cannabis CAN'T mask the odor of tobacco, and then there are the hand held devices that are used to test for the presence of tobacco fumes.
As customers, don't we have an obligation to follow the rules so as not to jeopardize the business and livelihood of all those who depend on these said establishments?
...or do we, as a loose collective, allow the puff/puff/pass crowd (they know who and what they are) to have their way, regardless of the consequences? Sort of like cutting ones nose off to spite their face... actually, it's just like that, not forgetting my favorite - stoners being their own worst enemy by self-inflicting.
We, the stoner customers, would be immune to all of it (actually not really, we too could be fined if seen consuming said nasty). Wait, what? No, really? Umm, quite so actually. Then there's that to consider....
Some will listen to the naysayers... and then some will listen to the people I mentioned above. Who will you listen to?
Who wants to be the person known to be responsible for the closure of a coffee shop or smoker friendly establishment? Give that one some serious thought the next time lighting up tobacco.

...lastly, the sad truth is that those who use tobacco with weed and consider themselves non-smokers - are living a lie.
Try smoking without................................and now we wait for the sure to follow plethora of bullshit excuses opposing this suggestion.
For me, use tobacco or don't... I don't give a shit. It's all about knowing the difference between fact and fiction. Puff, puff, pass anyone?
It's up to us... always has been...
...

[stanleymoon]

ron hates stoners and likes to appear knowledgeable. he doesn't know a damn thing and is laughed about in the coffeeshops he mentions. ron loves this sort of nonsense and takes every opportunity to pretend knowledge and imply authority.
you make it too easy, ron. you really do.

ask your usual stupid questions, ron. or do that thing where you spout nonsense and pretend that it is some sort of psychological expertise. i dare you, ron. you will not get away with it.

many users of this website find your postings to be of no value.

[Steverfc1872]

I pretty much always use tobacco in joints, and I have never been told not to in a coffeeshop. Often there are signs up, but I think these are a requirement, no where I have smoked enforces it.

All shops I've been in were ok with you using tobacco in your joints a lot of them want you to keep your fag packet out of view,the only shop I've been told you are not aloud to smoke tobacco in so far was stones corner that was in January they were nice about it and tried to get me to use the tobacco substitute which was politely refused

[Padge247]

Sorry if it sounded like I was suggesting having tobacco all over the table was fine. What I meant to say is be discrete (ie put your baccy pouch away after you have rolled, or at least out of sight), but I have never been asked not to use tobacco.

@Uncle Ron
Your suggestion that we have a responsibility to respect the laws and the not put undue risk on coffeeshop owners (ie through the risk of fines, closure etc) is one I would buy into in principle, but in practice I find the people running (or certainly working) at the shops are perfectly happy for the use of tobacco (I have seen many a BT skinning a joint with tobacco in shops they work at). I heard one very well known and respected BT (present on this website, but I wont name names as I don't want to get anyone in shit by accident) saying that he would rather people used tobacco in the CS than the herbal substitute (I believe this was in response to someone asking on the rules). In another instance (different shop, different BT, probably more well known) I heard a BT saying that he didn't mind people using tobacco, and that their defence would always be how can they monitor what every individual puts in their joint. Now I don't know how well that defence would hold up (I suspect it wouldn't) but the point is most CS's (in my experience) are happy to ignore this rule, and even break it themselves (referring to staff smoking joints with tobacco), and as such I don't have an issue with doing the same. IF a shop had been caught a series of times (for the record I have never seen police enter a CS, I have read about it happening, but almost exclusively checking for the presence of hard drugs and/or weapons) and decided they wanted to enforce the rule stringently then of course I would respect that, but so far that isn't a scenario I have encountered.

[Roccy Tittzenbeer]

My last time in dam it was a case of don't make it obvious, is that still the case? I'm hearing a lot on this forum about tobacco in spliffs causing issues in coffee shops

Hello there,
In reality nothing has changed since last time so do enjoy your smoke the way you best like it.
Different shops have different shades of the same rules and within that scenario different bud-tenders have their own variations and interpretations.
Just go with the flow and observe what those around are doing which is likely to set a precedent for that establishment.
A cheap pipe is always worth carrying in ones pocket anyway
Relax and enjoy.
All the best
RTnB

[Uncle Ron]

Ok, my previous reply wasn't warmly welcomed, not to mention ridiculed as well. Fair enough... not the ridicule bit though. Sad...
If you see others doing it, go for it, because it's all good... or is it?
What of non smokers, or those who don't want to sit in rooms with tobacco laced smoke?
Deal with it, don't patronage these establishments, or face the consequences of being ridiculed for speaking ones opinion?
Why should coffee shops and cannabis friendly establishments be treated any different, than say a restaurant? office building? museum? hospital? all of which used to allow smoking, until laws forbid people from doing so. Why did they outlaw use of tobacco in enclosed public spaces? Hmm, if we need to go there...
Let us all not forget one of the principle arguments in support of cannabis is how there isn't conclusive evidence that inhaling either directly or second hand causes cancer... however, when adding tobacco, that argument is lost immediately and completely. Full Stop.
...and yet here we are, arguing/stating opposing opinions on whether to continue using a known and scientifically proven cancer causing agent, even among non smokers, in an enclosed space. Please, can I get some support? I believe in freedoms and rights, FOR ALL!!!...and yet I hear nothing from the non tobacco crowd? This isn't a matter of choice, it's a law we are supposed to live by, and hopefully those who don't smoke, a much longer life than us smokers. That's correct, I smoke cigs, and respect the rights of others (not to mention the law) and do so outside. I'm not perfect, I've lit up a cig indoors... but not every time I light up a tobacco filled joint, aka Spliff.
Oppose my tone, ok... but to oppose the message? Think about it before ridiculing me... or even offering an opposing opinion, the lives we save may be our own, not to mention the ones we love... hmm, some love.
I say what I think not to cause controversy, although I knew this before I typed the first letter, I do so because I care about everyone.
Think about what you are opposing... it is law, medical science, and those not wanting to inhale second hand smoke..... that's one stacked deck.
Puff, puff, pass, or do what is right....?
Happy tobacco free enclosed public spaces... we can live longer for it.
...

[Slip & Sal]

Hey Ron isn't weed illegal where you are? but do you partake? if it is illegal should you? or should you not so it doesn't bring trouble?

[Uncle Ron]

Hey Ron isn't weed illegal where you are? but do you partake? if it is illegal should you? or should you not so it doesn't bring trouble?

High,
Is this your argument/opinion on the matter? Seriously, come on man, a little more thought and substance, or perhaps not?
What does smoking cannabis or non-chemically produced hash mixed with tobacco in an enclosed public space have to do with smoking weed, in the context of this discussion?

If I were sitting in a coffee shop smoking a pure joint, and a Government inspector(s) with or without Police, walked in and performed a check, would I be arrested or would the establishment be at risk of fine or closure? No on both accounts, so your point is lost... sorry dude, it just is. I don't bring trouble to an establishment that is cannabis friendly when I smoke pure. Next...
The same scenario, this time add tobacco in the mix... now what? The inspector doesn't ignore my breaking of the law; I will most likely be fined, and as for the establishment that allowed or ignored my tobacco use - sucks to be them, right? Or will everyone come together for a tree hugging, bongo and drum beating wailing session on how DA MAN is to blame, for what amounts to be no more than their willful self inflicted misery?
Going down on a sinking ship mentality... it's ignorant, regardless of viewing from the Captain's perspective. Last off the ship, yes, but don't go down with it... that's stupid, not to mention suicidal, meaning ignorant.

Hate the messenger...whatever, shows lack of character and maturity
Hate the message... displays willful ignorance, especially towards others
...

[stanleymoon]

What does smoking cannabis or non-chemically produced hash mixed with tobacco in an enclosed public space have to do with smoking weed, in the context of this discussion?

everything, ron, since the discussion is about following rules.
read the thread, man. in fact it was you who pretty much made the thread be about rules, with your overlong post about our collective responsibility to be following the damn things.

pointing out that you break the rules about not smoking weed is perfectly relevant in the context of this discussion.