Best ice-o-lator

[420cntr]

Hi friends,in January I'm visiting Amsterdam and I'm interested in good ice o later,what is the average price of good stuff?? And where to go...

[macky]

See your new welcome. If you go Coffeeshop menu,s page you can do research. That said ,waterworks from tweeds Karmer is some of the best but very pricey. Barney,s rubble is ok! The best and cheapest is Picasso 12euro,s a gram for there Neder hash,I really liked this one. I roll all with weed so hard to judge

[CopenhagenCouple]

The Kandy Kush ice at Utopia (if they still have it on, was on two weeks back) is super great value at 18 / g, great smoke also! The two dry sieve ices they have, blueberry and Nicole, are very tasty and fresh, the frozen dry sieve method is really interesting and ok value, but not near the great value of the first one.

1e hulp has some great valued bubblehash all at 16 IWRC, tried both the nikole (that's how the tender spelled it on the mini-tub it came in) and caboose, both of them very tasty and quite potent, especially concidering the price. Prefer the caboose as it was a chocolate milk coloured, creamy brown beauty that bubbled like crazy anywhere near heat, which we find rather rare...

De graal also has great valued ice, but get there in a hurry...

[420cntr]

Thank you friends,yes im new here but im reading a lot about cannabis products! I'm searching higher price hash,what is the most potent and best quality iceolator,where to find really potent hash and for fair price???I think the average price of high quality should be over 50euro/gram because for quality iceolstor you need 10 of quality buds for producing one gram of good hash,,so I'm searching for really good stuff.....and I don't want to give too much money for product that is not wort it...not tourist price...what do you think??..what you think coffeeshops pay producers of iceolstor hash....i found somewhere in forum that coffeeshops pay 5euro per gram of quality buds..so if we made buds into hash..it must be minimum price 50euro....
What do you think??

[CopenhagenCouple]

First thought was that there might be some misunderstandings at play and maybe to much extrapolating from a random number (5 e / g of quality bud might be right around the mark, maybe a little high maybe a little low, thinking the first, but you can bet that it varies quite a lot). No offense meant at all, but if you are aiming at a average price above 50 e / g you are aiming at getting ripped off.

If you insist on getting the absolute top of the top available at coffeeshops you will have to give up on the good value. The highest “ranking” ices out there (meaning the ones priced above 50 €) are, at least in our opinions, simply not worth the price tag. The math just doesn’t add up if you take a reasonable guess at the THC (and other ‘noids) content relative to the price and compare them to ices priced from around the 20 e /g mark and up to 30/40 e / g. We think that a lot of other members will agree that from a “bang for your buck” perspective you would want to go for the ices in the price range of ca. 20 – 40 e / g.

Off course you can splurge on a gram or two of the really high priced stuff, here we would second the recommendation for the waterworks, but we recommend sticking to the other price interval if you want to get proper mileage for your money (which equals getting higher and more stoned!).
This opinion, which others may disagree with and they are very free to do so, has been formed partly from our own experience buying both in the pricy range of 50 + e / g and the much more reasonable (and IOHO sane) range of 16-40 e / g and partly from simple reasoning looking at the value for money in most of the shops that carry the stuff at 50 + e / g (such as Greenhouse, Barney’s, Bush Doctor).

If you are new to ices and not a regular and quite heavy smoker (or have freaky high natural tolerance) we are quite confident that you will have more than enough fun with the stuff in the range we recommend, and will also have the opportunity to sample a lot more different products.
If you are a seasoned smoker (or more even better dabber) going for the high priced ice, IOHO, is not finding a good home for your hard-earned cash, especially given the price range of high quality concentrates, but that is a different story.

Any way you choose to go we hope you have fun and get your money's worth!

CC

[Nuggz]

yeah for the high-end the waterworks might do in a pinch, can't say for sure as I haven't tried them myself. Boerejongens have a ice-o-lator menu that is separate from their "block-hasj" line, that may be worth checking out, but even at Boer – value you will not find on said specific portion of their menu. I've heard good things on here in the past about club media's top-shelf bubble hash offerings, and Dampkring Original occasionally has some choice bits as well, as does Bluebird. I think, hands down though for both value and any chance of superior product, 1e Hulp is known to occasionally shuffle in some seriously nice bubble-hashes (unpressed "crystals") that I don't think I've ever seen listed for more than 40-50 a gram. Now of course 1e Hulp, imho has declined at least a little with respect to quality and pricing on the whole, but all said in done they're still easily (again imho) a top-5 Mokum CS. So that's my recommendation.

If you can manage to find an in to the concentrates market, that's also worth a look if you perhaps are lookin to get on the dab train, choo-choo, next train departs from platform 4.20 at 16:20! I won't provide those links here on principle, but if you do some research then you shouldn't have too much problem finding that!

[OneHighMofo]

I'd definitely go with the Club Media option. They're the only shop in town producing IWE the way like it; Yield from the various micron-sized bags separated, u-Value noted and the end-product perfectly dried, sieved/grated, stored in the fridge and served in little pots Vs pressed into a ball/baggie/drawer and left to Oxidise.

Whoever curates their menu is a bubble-hash aficionado is my guess. The care and attention paid reminds me of current 'best-practice' Bubble-hash methodology.

[CopenhagenCouple]

I'd definitely go with the Club Media option.

Oh oh, that rings a bell, haven't tried them from Media directly, but just remembered reading on here that someone said Dave had mentioned that Club Media and the weed fairy had the same source for ice. If that is true, then what OHMF said for sure, Dave's ice stash was always very, very interesting (not to forget quite powerful) indeed!!!

[Nuggz]

I'd definitely go with the Club Media option.

Oh oh, that rings a bell, haven't tried them from Media directly, but just remembered reading on here that someone said Dave had mentioned that Club Media and the weed fairy had the same source for ice. If that is true, then what OHMF said for sure, Dave's ice stash was always very, very interesting (not to forget quite powerful) indeed!!!

Wait when did you sample Media's water-extracted wares OHMF? I just figured you would've have mentioned them on one of your visits now, but I suppose the last two times we procured ice from 1e Hulp and our friend at college (remind me about story time regarding him when we see each other Friday btw).

@CC - who's Dave?

[OneHighMofo]

Wait when did you sample Media's water-extracted wares OHMF? I just figured you would've have mentioned them on one of your visits now, but I suppose the last two times we procured ice from 1e Hulp and our friend at college (remind me about story time regarding him when we see each other Friday btw).

The time I brought the missus and our kid - my first or second travelogue 'proper' (and I think it may be the one that was lost during the big crash of 2014/2015) I believe was the time we all went to Media and bought a couple G's of their bubble-hash.

Oh him! I'd forgotten about him. Yeah - he'd be a good bet for finding good isolater in the dam. I follow him on IG. He makes a LOT of bubble-hash. He wouldn't be THAT difficult to find if one were so inclined. He's a dam good plug.

[Nuggz]

Wait when did you sample Media's water-extracted wares OHMF? I just figured you would've have mentioned them on one of your visits now, but I suppose the last two times we procured ice from 1e Hulp and our friend at college (remind me about story time regarding him when we see each other Friday btw).

The time I brought the missus and our kid - my first or second travelogue 'proper' (and I think it may be the one that was lost during the big crash of 2014/2015) I believe was the time we all went to Media and bought a couple G's of their bubble-hash.

Oh him! I'd forgotten about him. Yeah - he'd be a good bet for finding good isolater in the dam. I follow him on IG. He makes a LOT of bubble-hash. He wouldn't be THAT difficult to find if one were so inclined. He's a dam good plug.

Actually he's maybe not so much, I'll have to pull up some screenshots from the Barca fb page for you to have an idea of what I'm talking about. Don't wanna air too much on here, but I assume you catch my drift...

[CopenhagenCouple]

@Nugs: Dave, or DC on here, was a budtender at Nes and took over management after Simon and some of the crew from Nes moved "up the street" to Batavia (in the smokers friendly bar days mostly IWRC). He moved to Spain a few years back, we thinks sometime around Nes closing it's doors for good.

Dave was a good friend to many on the forum, super nice and down to earth guy, we sadly lost contact when we fucked off from the forum for seven years...

[420cntr]

I'm researching a lot a bout coffeshops and I cannot understand prices of full melt hash...I'm making full melt hash and last week I made 300 grams of buds into hash\dry sifting and I received 22grams of hash...super silver haze..so if you look st financial its really expensive...so I don't underdtend how coffeshopd sell a gram of iceolator full melt or dry sift for 20-30euro per gram..it doesn't make any sense...or the quality is bad or they import it???what do you thing...how much does coffeshopd pay for such product???is here any producer in the group that works with coffeshopd?

[OneHighMofo]

You'll be incredibly lucky to find 'full-melt' hash in Amsterdam Coffeeshops. 'Some melt' would be much more accurate.
Amsterdam isn't the place I'd go looking for IWE personally. The prices are high for the quality on offer.

Also - you're getting really low yields on your hash, I'd be disappointed with anything below 15% on anything never mind a 300g run of SSH. You're getting less than 10% back which seems really low.

Have you looked into Frenchy Canoli's methodology? (search youtube or ICmag forum)
Basically - use dry and cured trim (not fresh frozen) almost freeze your water before use. Use as little ice as possible, as little physical disturbance as possible and do a quick three minute wash for the first run. Any chlorophyll will come out in that first run and the subsequent runs will be of a higher quality (blonder hash).

[420cntr]

Yes,I checked French canollis technique,thank you for info!!will try this next time!!like you said I received not even 10% ,so I need to try different technique!!I'm just curious is there any grower that works for coffeeshops??I'm interested how this trade goes,how much is worth a gram of full melt for a coffeshow?how much they pay for their hash to hash producers?? Barney's and Greenhouse,Bushdoctor hash 50e gram