Mushrooms to fall under opium law
Friday 12 October 2007
Health minister Ab Klink and justice minister Ernst Hirsch Ballin have agreed that hallucinogenic mushrooms are to come under the opium law so that the sale of fresh ones are illegal. Dried mushrooms are already banned.
Dozens of so-called smart shops in the Netherlands have sold fresh hallucinogenic mushrooms for years.
However, an increasing number of incidents involving so-called paddos, including the death of a 17-year-old French girl, has turned public opinion against hallucinogenic mushrooms and forced the cabinet to take action.
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2 ... p#cooliris
Mushrooms to fall under opium law
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noonansboy
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Usuall nonsense.
Dickheads ruining it for everyone else.
If you think you can fly why not take off from the ground?
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itsmymagicallife
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In all fairness mushies are a headfuck even for a veteran, they don't label 'em like that so shit was bound to hit the fan eventually... it's hardly a surprise. It's a confusing message to send saying use with caution yet you can buy them freely over the counter, I've been saying for years I didn't think that just anybody should be able to buy stuff to twist them up a tree with rainbows hanging out their hair...
Very good point about taking off from the ground, i must say
I mean planes don't get chucked off a high place and quickly start their engines on the way down...
Very good point about taking off from the ground, i must say
I mean planes don't get chucked off a high place and quickly start their engines on the way down.............
For anyone living in the netherlands http://www.reddepaddo.nl/sendmail.php has a petition against the criminilization of the sale of fresh mushrooms. Mushrooms grow wild in the Netherlands and criminalizing them doesn't make sense. BTW at any smart shop worth a damn they will let a newbie user know what they are in for. No one from the Netherlands doesn't understand that paddos intense.
This is really ridiculous and a step-backwards that can have no positive effects. Mushrooms are only a problem in Amsterdam because tourists consume them while extremely drunk and stoned. The shrooms say on the box to not combine them with alcohol.
This will result in mushrooms being sold by hard drug dealers, the type of situation dutch drug policy is designed to prevent. I also think it may very well result in an increase of youth LSD use because the toleration of paddo sales has seperated the dealers of LSD and mushrooms.
This is really ridiculous and a step-backwards that can have no positive effects. Mushrooms are only a problem in Amsterdam because tourists consume them while extremely drunk and stoned. The shrooms say on the box to not combine them with alcohol.
This will result in mushrooms being sold by hard drug dealers, the type of situation dutch drug policy is designed to prevent. I also think it may very well result in an increase of youth LSD use because the toleration of paddo sales has seperated the dealers of LSD and mushrooms.
you do have a point about mexican, hawaiian and peruvian shrooms not growing wild in holland. you are also an admitted frequent and long term user of lsd which you claim is bad for your brain and a head twister. that tends to make me question the validity of your take on the whole thing.
i'm in agreement with thomaskmfdm. he raises some very valid points. just my opinion.
i'm in agreement with thomaskmfdm. he raises some very valid points. just my opinion.
These specific varieties may not grow wild in Holland but that doesnt mean they are not grown in Holland. Probably grown in climate controlled grow rooms. How else would they be able to keep up with the demand for these? Import them all? I seriously doubt it. Peace.Neldo wrote:Mexican, Hawaiian and Peruvian mushrooms don't grow wild in holland dude
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noonansboy
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buddy wrote:. you are also an admitted frequent and long term user of lsd which you claim is bad for your brain and a head twister. that tends to make me question the validity of your take on the whole thing.
Unless you have experienced these drugs personnaly how else are you valid to make a comment on such matters?
Oh,sorry, unless of course you are a suit wearing politician or member of government.
I am and have been a frequent user of both LSD and Mushrooms.
I also have never thrown myself off a building,never harmed any living thing or lost a job or somthing equally as stereotypically untrue.
But as usual the minority are trying their best to ruin it for the majority.
You wanna throw yourself of a building then cool.One less asshole in the world.
Just dont give me a bad name.
i agree with you. i also have experience with both mushrooms and lsd and have never felt inclined to do the things you have outlined above. my point is that i don't see why the actions of an unbalanced few has to determine what is good for the rest of us.
these are not drugs to be taken lightly though and neldo's staement that they are bad for the brain and a head twister would seem to support the goverments action. i'm sure there are pros and cons and evidence to support and contradict the long term effcts of hallucenogens(sp?). it really all boils down to responsible use and whether the individual is allowed to decide for himself when armed with good information and guidelines or the state decides for us. i prefer the former.
these are not drugs to be taken lightly though and neldo's staement that they are bad for the brain and a head twister would seem to support the goverments action. i'm sure there are pros and cons and evidence to support and contradict the long term effcts of hallucenogens(sp?). it really all boils down to responsible use and whether the individual is allowed to decide for himself when armed with good information and guidelines or the state decides for us. i prefer the former.
update
Here's an update on the shroom situation. 
Total ban on sale of magic mushrooms
15 October 2007
THE HAGUE - The Dutch authorities agreed Friday to ban the sale of magic mushrooms, a move sure to annoy many tourists visiting the Netherlands, known for its liberal drugs policies.
The Dutch health and justice ministers said Friday that they have agreed to change the drug laws to ban the sale and cultivation of hallucinogenic mushrooms.
The move comes during an ongoing debate in the Netherlands about the safety of the so-called magic mushrooms after a number of incidents involving tourists who had taken them.
"We saw a rise in the incidents with paddo's (hallucinogenic mushrooms) recently from 55 reported by the emergency services in 2004 to 128 last year. This year we already had over a hundred incidents reported, mainly in Amsterdam," health ministry spokeswoman Karin Donk said.
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In March a 17-year-old French girl died after she threw herself from an Amsterdam bridge. She had eaten magic mushrooms, but no formal link was established between the two occurrences.
There have been several other incidents with tourists who had a bad trip on the mushrooms and became aggressive or paranoid.
"We expect the ban to come into effect in the next few months after it has been approved by the parliament and the senate," Donk said.
After the incident with the French tourist a majority in the Dutch parliament had called for a total ban on magic mushrooms.
The change in the Dutch drug laws would mean that both growing and selling magic mushrooms will be banned and so-called smartshops that are selling them will be closed down, Donk said.
The Dutch association of smartshops, VLOS, said Friday that they were stunned by the move. "This is a problem that is confined to Amsterdam and specifically the city centre there and now smartshops all over the Netherlands are becoming victims of this, and that is sad," VLOS spokesman Paul van Oyen told AFP.
The VLOS represents 39 of the around 180 shops that sell the mushrooms in the Netherlands. According to Van Oyen the Dutch market for hallucinogenic mushrooms is worth some EUR 10 million (USD 14 million) annually.
Currently in the Netherlands the sale of dried magic mushrooms is banned but fresh mushrooms are allowed.
In January of this year the Amsterdam health authorities GGD raised the alarm over a rise in mushroom-related incidents. 92 percent of people involved were tourists, according to the GGD.
The same report shows that incidents where an ambulance was called involving alcohol or cannabis far outweigh those with mushrooms.
Tourists hoping to get high in Amsterdam need not despair -- smoking cannabis is still allowed. The consumption and possession of less than five grammes of cannabis was decriminalised in 1976 in the Netherlands. The drug is sold in licensed 'coffee shops' throughout the country, in small doses.
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article. ... 0#cooliris
Total ban on sale of magic mushrooms
15 October 2007
THE HAGUE - The Dutch authorities agreed Friday to ban the sale of magic mushrooms, a move sure to annoy many tourists visiting the Netherlands, known for its liberal drugs policies.
The Dutch health and justice ministers said Friday that they have agreed to change the drug laws to ban the sale and cultivation of hallucinogenic mushrooms.
The move comes during an ongoing debate in the Netherlands about the safety of the so-called magic mushrooms after a number of incidents involving tourists who had taken them.
"We saw a rise in the incidents with paddo's (hallucinogenic mushrooms) recently from 55 reported by the emergency services in 2004 to 128 last year. This year we already had over a hundred incidents reported, mainly in Amsterdam," health ministry spokeswoman Karin Donk said.
Click here!
In March a 17-year-old French girl died after she threw herself from an Amsterdam bridge. She had eaten magic mushrooms, but no formal link was established between the two occurrences.
There have been several other incidents with tourists who had a bad trip on the mushrooms and became aggressive or paranoid.
"We expect the ban to come into effect in the next few months after it has been approved by the parliament and the senate," Donk said.
After the incident with the French tourist a majority in the Dutch parliament had called for a total ban on magic mushrooms.
The change in the Dutch drug laws would mean that both growing and selling magic mushrooms will be banned and so-called smartshops that are selling them will be closed down, Donk said.
The Dutch association of smartshops, VLOS, said Friday that they were stunned by the move. "This is a problem that is confined to Amsterdam and specifically the city centre there and now smartshops all over the Netherlands are becoming victims of this, and that is sad," VLOS spokesman Paul van Oyen told AFP.
The VLOS represents 39 of the around 180 shops that sell the mushrooms in the Netherlands. According to Van Oyen the Dutch market for hallucinogenic mushrooms is worth some EUR 10 million (USD 14 million) annually.
Currently in the Netherlands the sale of dried magic mushrooms is banned but fresh mushrooms are allowed.
In January of this year the Amsterdam health authorities GGD raised the alarm over a rise in mushroom-related incidents. 92 percent of people involved were tourists, according to the GGD.
The same report shows that incidents where an ambulance was called involving alcohol or cannabis far outweigh those with mushrooms.
Tourists hoping to get high in Amsterdam need not despair -- smoking cannabis is still allowed. The consumption and possession of less than five grammes of cannabis was decriminalised in 1976 in the Netherlands. The drug is sold in licensed 'coffee shops' throughout the country, in small doses.
http://www.expatica.com/actual/article. ... 0#cooliris
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mushrooms are actually much easier to come by than a lot of people seem to think, at least in austria, but i think it's the same in most european countries;
in autumn you can collect them on nearly every meadow, when you know about the different varieties and how they look like; you can even find psilocybe semilanceata (a mushroom variety that is much stronger than the famous mexican magic mushrooms, psilocybe cubensis) on certain mountain-meadows;
it's also very, very easy to grow them in so-called mycel-boxes, which are available in the internet; those boxes are quite cheap and the nice thing about them is, that you can harvest almost as many mushrooms as you like from one box; some years ago those mycel-boxes were sold in austrian headshops, but most of the shops don't sell them any more, because too many people who took those mushrooms freaked out on them;
i think that's the problem in amsterdam, too; as an un-experienced user you can perhaps smoke a strong joint without any negative effects, but it's very difficult to ignore a negative mushroom trip when you are not prepared for it; and mushrooms are definitely no party drug, at least not for me!
in autumn you can collect them on nearly every meadow, when you know about the different varieties and how they look like; you can even find psilocybe semilanceata (a mushroom variety that is much stronger than the famous mexican magic mushrooms, psilocybe cubensis) on certain mountain-meadows;
it's also very, very easy to grow them in so-called mycel-boxes, which are available in the internet; those boxes are quite cheap and the nice thing about them is, that you can harvest almost as many mushrooms as you like from one box; some years ago those mycel-boxes were sold in austrian headshops, but most of the shops don't sell them any more, because too many people who took those mushrooms freaked out on them;
i think that's the problem in amsterdam, too; as an un-experienced user you can perhaps smoke a strong joint without any negative effects, but it's very difficult to ignore a negative mushroom trip when you are not prepared for it; and mushrooms are definitely no party drug, at least not for me!