Mushrooms to fall under opium law

[Kathar]

this may make me unpopular here and please no one take personal offense to it. i know many people who use mushrooms and other non-cannabis psychadelics for religious purposes, appropriate to a native religion in a native context. i was a little sickened in the dam by shops pitching and peddling mushrooms as a party drug. i've got no problem with people using them responsibly, and knowing what they are getting into. but there is a reason why in many ancient cultures (european, asian, and american) - shrooms, peyote, etc... were all used in a very specific ritual fashion. i know cannabis was too (india and china, in particular) but there is still a different result from taking too much or the wrong kind of pot, than there is the wrong kind of psychadelic. I'm sorry this ruins things for the responsible people, but 99% of the folks in the dam when I was there really didn't seem to even understand the meaning of the word responsible. They thought popping a shroom was like drinking a heineken or smoking a joint. I'm not sure I agree with a total ban on shrooms, but I think something had to be done about the way they were being marketed.

[user54321]

you are also an admitted frequent and long term user of lsd which you claim is bad for your brain and a head twister. that tends to make me question the validity of your take on the whole thing.

Back up a second, I'm a psychadelic drug user - so that negates my (informed and adult) opinion? If you can qualify that statement I'll agree with you, otherwise I think you should retract it, think again about what the thread is about and perhaps apologise? Maybe you're just an ass, or maybe you didn't mean to come accross like someone who would dare have the brass balls cheek to try and say that an LSD user's "take" on anything shouldn't be valid - perhaps while on the drug but I can assure you I would not be on a forum posting while on LSD. A disgraceful thing to say in this day in age imo, but perhaps I'm picking you up wrong? Hope so. You are fully welcome to your opinion but you should know I hold it in seriously low regard, but then again "I'm a drug user, I shouldn't be listened to" according to you're line of thinking, anyway.

Buddy, I also find your comment on "the unbalanced few" quite alarming, are you a doctor? have you checked the deceased's mental health record before jumping in with both feet assuming they were all "unbalanced"!? People sometimes freak out when tripping, but you'd have them committed the way you're talking (are you secretely David Blunkett!?). I know some perfectly balanced people who don't take mushrooms because it upsets their head, you must go down a storm at parties, I suspect you're the type to offend an entire room with one breath.

Puffin - thomaskmfdm had said they grow wild in the netherlands. No mention of indoor cultivation

I'm not sure I agree with a total ban on shrooms, but I think something had to be done about the way they were being marketed.

I agree and that's kinda what I was trying to say, before I was so rudely told that my drug habit negates my opinion but I don't think that you can't have a middle road, you either allow people to do it, or you don't. It's a case of pick one and stick with it. Now, going against Buddy's sentiment, I'd have to say that someone who has used and does use such products would be in a much better position to comment on the subject, rather that some politician who once didn't inhale, and being said user, I don't think it should be something you buy off the high street, some sort of mail order and for use in your own home type affair, that'll seperate the casual ("I'm just doing it because they say it's legal here") types to the serious users.

Noonansboy - "once less asshole in the world"

Fucking terrible thing to say, hope yer proud! The lack of feeling and understanding in this thread is absolutley astounding, you'd much rather comment on an event you know nothing about by saying it's ruining your fun (think of the family/children/dogs/ANYTHING other than yourself for a second) than actually offer sympathy. Not directly singling you out here by the way, it's something I've read alot of people say on this board and I've finally been offended enough to say something.

I know it may be difficult for some to understand, but perfectly "normal" people can try mushrooms for the 1st time and shit themselves thin through being terrified. Even experienced users can get a bit lost sometimes, I refuse to believe that everyone who has had a bad experience, done something stupid or whatever on mushrooms is an asshole who doesn't deserve anybody's sympathy. I know it's tough to see both sides because somebody is telling you that you shouldn't be allowed these because of somebody else's actions. I also don't agree with that (see my mail order idea further back in this post), but a bit of sympathy would go a long way.

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[noonansboy]

but a bit of sympathy would go a long way.

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I reckon a bit of education and some common fucking sense would go a good bit further.

P.S Maybe you actually should lay of the acid dude.

[user54321]

I reckon a bit of education and some common fucking sense would go a good bit further.

P.S Maybe you actually should lay of the acid dude.

You're right. On the education part at least... that's what I was trying to say earlier regarding the confused message - it's legal and that's enough for some people to want try something. It may well come with stickers saying don't drink/etc with them, but fact is - you can buy them over the counter, how dangerous can they be? etc...

As for common sense, we all know that can go right out the window when you're twisted up a tree and some people just don't have any at all, so - do we do a test for common sense before mushies are allowed to be sold? I don't think that's going to help somehow.

AND if taking acid means I have a bit of empathy for my fellow man/woman then I'm happy with that and I reckon there's a few folks on here who could use a drop or two. Or maybe I just think about what I'm going to write before I start hammering the keyboard with gusto.

[noonansboy]

As for common sense some people just don't have any at all.

You never hear of a positive drug related story.

So why should we bare the bad rap that these idiots give us.

They are the excuse the government are looking for to restrict everybody else's choices.

As I said before one less asshole in the world is a good thing.

[user54321]

As for common sense some people just don't have any at all.

You never hear of a positive drug related story.

So why should we bare the bad rap that these idiots give us.

They are the excuse the government are looking for to restrict everybody else's choices.

As I said before one less asshole in the world is a good thing.

You hear plenty of positive drug related stories from your friends, or do you expect the papers to start reporting on how off it simon from langbank was last weekend and how he had such a wikkid night full of E and danced his tits off? That's a daft thing to say, think about it...

Also, in this case they are pointing out the very real factor about ambulance useage, how it had increased more than double... that's quite an important fact that would (and should) sway the decision making process.

I'll say it again so to dispel any confusion, I agree that sensible users shouldn't be punished in the full ban sense - but I also think you should read my post above about the confusing message. Something should be done about that. There should be other ways, rather than a high street, over the counter purchase imo, not to drive it underground, but to keep the important message that these things can fuck you up royally and they really aren't a great idea for everyone.

[sh@dy]

this may make me unpopular here and please no one take personal offense to it.

no way mate, i fully agree with you. the only experience I had with those kind of drugs was once smoking a salvia head, and I think I can already tell from this one experience, that those drugs are not to be taken as easy as many seem to take it.
Of course a total ban is nonsense, but their should be special rooms where you can take them, and there is some kind of staff who is watching over you.

[user54321]

Spot on sh@dy! Couldn't agree more!

There should be a solution that doesn't require a full ban... but I guess politicians see how many ambulances are being used for a situation that could easily be prevented by banning the substance and just wade in with the ban, as per usual.

I'm never for banning stuff, I believe it should be down to the user discretion, but when that user's discretion is affecting public service like ambulance useage then of course something has to be looked at and edited. Ambulances being a very important service obviously!

This was bound to happen imo, frankly I'm amazed it lasted as long as it did... if you make it freely available to everybody over the counter, with something as mind altering as mushrooms, you're gonna encounter problems... a 100% ban is silly, but if there had been greater measures in place before it came to a ban, then perhaps a ban wouldn't have been required?

[noonansboy]

Also, in this case they are pointing out the very real factor about ambulance useage, how it had increased more than double... that's quite an important fact that would (and should) sway the decision making process.

Are you for real m8?

I have never heard anyone talk such shite.

If you wanna talk Ambulance usage then take a look at the statistics for ANY city in the world with alcohol related incidents.

Seriously m8 lay of the acid and those battered Iron-Bru burgers before you become another statistic.

[DC]

I take it all your positive lsd stories come from yer front room...with yer mates.

[noonansboy]

I take it all your positive lsd stories come from yer front room...with yer mates.

No m8.

I only take acid in me bathroom.

[user54321]

Are you for real m8?

I have never heard anyone talk such shite.

If you wanna talk Ambulance usage then take a look at the statistics for ANY city in the world with alcohol related incidents.

Seriously m8 lay of the acid and those battered Iron-Bru burgers before you become another statistic.

You're nothing but totally insulting! If you can't handle an adult conversation without throwing insults then I suggest you leave this one to the big boys. There really is no need for you to be so fucking rude, all of the time. Give it a rest. Please.

[noonansboy]

I suggest you leave this one to the big boys.

Ok big boy where do you Caber toss?

[user54321]

Yep, yer nothin' but a wean...


.... now go home and get your fucking shinebox!

[DC]

Speakin of iron bru, which is made in Scotland ferm grrrrrrrders!. Nel, grab a 2 litre bottle of that gear from the shop next time yer comin across...and I'll trade ya.