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her conclusion for those that missed it: Street Skunk is the worst culprit.

Well, I think most self respecting stoners don't buy dodgy street skunk anyway. I don't buy anything unless I know the guy, and know his reputation is sound. Sometimes I go without, I'd rather smoke nothing than silicon.


LEGALIZE IT
REGULATE IT
TAX THE FUCK OUT OF IT!

Boner wrote:The Labour government will use this show as a referance when they re-classify marijuana back to Class B.

I've been following that story myself - do you think they'll actually do it? It would make the government seem highly falable and they're not normally ones for public embarrasment. If they downed it and were (in their opinion) wrong then surely it follows that raising it again would highlight the fact that they effectively didn't know what they were talking about in the first place? (whereas we all know they don't know what they're talking about full stop though).

It's a can of worms alright, Hellawell resigned over it's downgrading - if they raise it again he'll be cursing the ground New Labour walk on..... welcome to the club, Hellawell!!

Neldo wrote:

Boner wrote:The Labour government will use this show as a referance when they re-classify marijuana back to Class B.

I've been following that story myself - do you think they'll actually do it? It would make the government seem highly falable and they're not normally ones for public embarrasment. If they downed it and were (in their opinion) wrong then surely it follows that raising it again would highlight the fact that they effectively didn't know what they were talking about in the first place? (whereas we all know they don't know what they're talking about full stop though).

It's a can of worms alright, Hellawell resigned over it's downgrading - if they raise it again he'll be cursing the ground New Labour walk on..... welcome to the club, Hellawell!!

Old Cunty Brown has a get out clause by saying it was a Tony Blair thing so he'll probably see it as a way of putting it back to Class B and keeping face.

Boner wrote:Old Cunty Brown has a get out clause by saying it was a Tony Blair thing so he'll probably see it as a way of putting it back to Class B and keeping face.

Aye, that's a fair point and a shrewd move by Brown, although the decision was made by the Home Sec, which was Blunkett at the time I think and I don't doubt that Brown would have any problems making Blunkett out to be a wanker. Which is he is anyway.

Jail anti-war protesters, and then put them under a curfew order. And charge them for it.

Detain homeless people indefinitely under the Terrorism Act, and then deny them the right to trial by jury.

etc etc...

Do we really care if they re-classify weed back to class B? I know i dont. I have been puffin for over 17 years and saw no change at all when it became class C. Not for the good anyway. Infact, it only freed up time for police to raid all the grow houses (4.5 tonnes in the first 6months of 07) and now we cant even get decent bud. Keep it underground, thats what i say. Its not like we are ever going to have coffeeshops in the UK.

Damster wrote:Do we really care if they re-classify weed back to class B? I know i dont. I have been puffin for over 17 years and saw no change at all when it became class C. Not for the good anyway. Infact, it only freed up time for police to raid all the grow houses (4.5 tonnes in the first 6months of 07) and now we cant even get decent bud. Keep it underground, thats what i say. Its not like we are ever going to have coffeeshops in the UK.

I think we will..... to say it'll never happen is a little defeatest.

Infact, we've already had em.

DrGonzo wrote:

Damster wrote:Do we really care if they re-classify weed back to class B? I know i dont. I have been puffin for over 17 years and saw no change at all when it became class C. Not for the good anyway. Infact, it only freed up time for police to raid all the grow houses (4.5 tonnes in the first 6months of 07) and now we cant even get decent bud. Keep it underground, thats what i say. Its not like we are ever going to have coffeeshops in the UK.

I think we will..... to say it'll never happen is a little defeatest.

Infact, we've already had em.

Still do, according to this: http://tinyurl.com/39cbm6 (end of Feb, anyway)

THE Home Office looks set to intervene in the long-running stalemate between residents and police and the operators of Lancing's cannabis café.
East Worthing and Shoreham MP Tim Loughton asked the government to step when speaking during Home Office Questions, on Monday, February 25.

Mr Loughton said the café was the source of great annoyance for people living nearby, and described it as a blight on his constituency.

He added: "It acts as a magnet for all sorts of low life coming into Lancing.

"Despite the best endeavours of the police, who have raided the place five times, no prosecution has been brought to close it down.

"It is heavily fortified, well beyond what is required for a legitimate café, and a constantly fired furnace is used to burn the evidence the minute any police come in."

"We need to ensure that we nip the situation in the bud!"


Brilliant!

DrGonzo wrote:"We need to ensure that we nip the situation in the bud!"
Brilliant!

Or we could nip a bud for the situation.

I had to turn this programme off i was fucking me off so much!!!

I wanted to punch her in the face (not that i beat women lol) when she tried to put the flatpack furniture toghether she took 2 TOKES!!!!

She was treating the thing like acid!

Damster wrote:Do we really care if they re-classify weed back to class B? I know i dont. I have been puffin for over 17 years and saw no change at all when it became class C. Not for the good anyway. Infact, it only freed up time for police to raid all the grow houses (4.5 tonnes in the first 6months of 07) and now we cant even get decent bud. Keep it underground, thats what i say. Its not like we are ever going to have coffeeshops in the UK.

It's that type of attitude that will prevent any further good being done - it's a bit selfish and very shortsighted to say that just because we wont get coffeeshops (iyo or your lifetime) that we should just forget the idea - what about people growing to help their partner/relative with MS or some other dibilatating condition?

A downgrading from class B to C meant a difference in how you were dealt with by police and/or courts, I for one care very much about it being put back up to Class B. Just because *you* saw no change, doesn't mean that many countless others didn't... people who just happen to be pulled and found with a quarter in their pocket weren't getting PF letters sent to their home or a court date/most likely community service for a repeat offence and the more obvious drug charge on their record - nobody wants or needs that for a harmless practice. The length of time you have been "puffin" is irrelevant dude, the length of time cannabis has been illegal is, I feel you may have missed the point entirely

Also, I don't really think you speak from a position of education on how police time is allocated, busts by drug officials were always on the high end of the scale, these officers do not walk the beat - they were busting grow houses before the downgrade and it's not those officers who's time has been freed up, by downgrading it did not free up your average drug official's time to bust more grow houses, it untied the hands of the beat police to be able to use their own judgement when they find somebody with a bit of hash or grass in their posession, so they can simply say "on yer way" instead of take your details and submit them to the PF. You speak of figures of busts going up, of course they would - do you not think they need to justify this downgrading to the average joe? If people who weren't all for the downgrading see that grow houses are being busted (and are led to believe the downgrading is directly responsible for this - like yourself) then they start to come round to the current way of thinking. Everything the government does comes with a certain amount of spin, you shouldn't believe everything they say with regards to figures and overall effectiveness of new legislation.

"Keeping it underground" is what's happening today and that's why the quality of smoke in the UK is pretty poor, so I don't see how carrying on the way we are is going to help matters, which is what I took from your post... if we put it back up, then less grow houses will get busted? Slightly skewed logic there, Damster

I'll get off my soapbox now and apologise for my demi-rant

Doesn't surprise me it was those publicity whores, Dampkring.
Look out for BBC Haze, on their shelves soon!

rks0 wrote:Doesn't surprise me it was those publicity whores, Dampkring.
Look out for BBC Haze, on their shelves soon!

please explain me that post, I dont get what Dampkring has to do with it. was Dampkring the one to give her the job?

The amount of time I have been smoking weed is very relevant, in that time i have grown, dealt and smoked consistantly over the years. I have been busted several times and also pre-reclassification ... I speak from experience not from my ass. It makes NO difference . The fact of the matter is... cannabis in the uk has ALWAYS been an underground movement so why do you yearn for it to be any different?

I accept the point in respect of medicinal use and of course it would make me happy to see the government take a much more leniant approach towards cannabis, however, is it likely that it will ever happen? Realistically we stand no chance. The smoking law shattered any dreams we may have had once upon a time...so how do you suggest we convince the government to scrap that one and say "hey you know what we made a mistake...fuck it lets smoke weed instead"?! ...and shit propaganda tv like last night dont help matters either...

I could go on and address more comments but i wont, i gave my opinion and it may be negative but its REAL. Sorry I cant join your quest to change the world!

Off to amsterdam in a few hours...dont miss me too much

[You speak of figures of busts going up, of course they would - do you not think they need to justify this downgrading to the average joe?]

you said it Neldo.