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I totally agree that if alcohol is abused, it is one of the most dangerous drugs around, a hell of a lot more so than cannabis.

I was really thinking of the long-term pyschological damage that smoking too much weed may do. I know that isn't the case for every single weed user (i.e AzLaker), but, like smoking 20 fags a day for 40 years & risking lung cancer, it's a gamble, it's russian roulette.

There's also the obvious fact that smoking joints, esp. those mixed with baccy, can lead to cancer, heart disease, emphasyma, etc, but I know there are ways to enjoy cannabis nowadays without those risks (vapouriser), which I think is great.

I guess that being someone with a relatively serious mental illness, I get somewhat worried when I read that long-term users often get serious mental health problems later in life. That is probably why I only like to have a smoke occasionally; maybe I'm wrong for automatically believing these government-funded health reports, & the book recommended earlier sounds like something I ought to check out ASAP.

Peace.

JSB, even though we may disagree on some things, you are right about long term smoking. Weather you smoke 2 or 20 joints a day, it can't be good for you in the long run. I'm taking that chance, yes, but it's my body and I'm not hurting anyone but myself. I don't smoke cigaretts, drink very little (beer only) and try to excersise 3 or 4 times a week. My one vice is pot and I can live with that. A Vapouriser could be on my Christmas list . I tried Mazdog's Vapo and it was great. JSB, what is baccy? Tobacco? AzLaker

I was just reading over a website called Drug War Facts and there is a page comparing cannabis use in the U.S. to that in the Netherlands and it looks like it supports the forbidden fruit theory with over twice the percentage of the population having at some point used cannabis in the U.S. (36.9%) compared to that of the Netherlands (17%).


http://www.drugwarfacts.org/

JSB, what is baccy? Tobacco?

Yeah, "baccy" is tobacco!

Smoking anything can cause lung cancer, I only smoke water filterd bubbler pipe, not a bong. JSB I and every daily smoker has a problem with what you said, you are comparing pot somkers to people who act like "Ali G", I have even seen some on this site. They are chavs, I particularly have a problem with chavs, I live in the US and dont appreciate people taking our rap music to that level, no matter where you live. Its almost an insult but they just want to be like us, but they are 10 years behind. dont compare young pot smokers to Chavs, I am only 20 and I appreciate the herb as much as an older smoker. I like rap music and nobody acts like a chav does, the UK has a problem with Chavs, they will get their asses kicked here for acting like a homo. Your young population has a problem I agree, but it is not with cannabis, it is that they think what we make fun of here is whats in style in the UK, thats why Americans laugh at Chav's. they dont get sarcasm, Chavs are very funny

Hey, this is a great thread. Never read it before AmeriSkunk resurrected it. Good job mate

Personally I have never been able to understand why something that grows from the earth and can be "used" with very little processing is illegal.

As I understand it, the solid substance known as hash is merely parts of the plant that have been pressed together until compacted.

As a guy who likes a beer (and I confess to being a binge drinker folks), I totally agree with the points raised about alcohol causing far more problems due to the lack of respect given to it by users/abusers. There will no doubt be a huge difference in the instances of violence/vandalism that are alcohol related and those that are not.

The effects of smoking on myself are the exact opposite to those of alcohol and I would personally love to see the relaxing of the laws governing the use/supply of cannabis.

Mind you, it's only a pipe dream.

How can you make a plant illegal? it's a fuckin joke.

I could get right into this and write a massive piece on it but I think the above sums it up.


Rev

(btw Sonic Blue..are you a Canetheist (spelled wrong :/) minister..just wondering due to the avatar)

The plant isn't illegal, owning it and selling it is.

If we look into it further, cocaine and heroin are derrived from plants.... granted there's a process to refine but it's still essentially plant matter.... would you advocate legalising these products?

I would myself..... but that's a whole other argument.

DrGonzo wrote:If we look into it further, cocaine and heroin are derrived from plants.... granted there's a process to refine but it's still essentially plant matter.... would you advocate legalising these products?

I would myself..... but that's a whole other argument.

I would too.

I think Heroin has even more pro-legislation arguments than cannabis because of the dangers, should be given out to all addicts, pure and as much as they want, then watch the crime rate fall!

Well, it's common sense that if you decriminalize an act, there's going to be less crime. It's simple logic, if there's less crimes to commit, there will be less commiting of crime.

Sure there will be be a small fraction of other crimes that will fall, such as drug related murder and robbery, etc, but to me it's all just bogus logic.

well i think that drug related murder rates and robbery rates falling is a fucking brilliant thing!!!

Not to keep us off topic, but personally I'm strongly against legalization and tolerance of hard drugs like cocaine and heroin. Yes, they come from plants, and yes they're derived from natural sources, but the refined drugs temselves are a danger to the community in my opinion. Stimulants like crack cocaine and methamphetamines, if legalised or tolerated, I think, would likely only cause an increase in crime and death tolls.

I would also support any motion to prohibit alcohol or tobacco, as they are both addictive, life ruining drugs.

Drugs are bad, m'kay?

711...how many crack/heroin addicts rob to support their habit? If it's given away for free then all that crime is gone.

The only drug that makes people violent is Alcohol, crack and heroin users are only problematic when they can't get drugs. How many people have been beaten up or killed by someone actually ON crack/heroin...no one at all I wouldn't think, but how many people have been mugged for their money so the addict could go and buy their drugs, huge amounts of people...

Also with hard drugs you've got the problem of contamination which leads to overdosing (i.e one week street heroin maybe 20% pure, the next week 80% so taking the sam amount will kill) Legalise it, let Columbia/Afganistan grow all they want, but have it purchased by the Governments of the world so the criminal element is removed and you've sorted that problem aswell (poor farmers getting involved with drugs barons).

We can scream until we're hoarse, it's just going to take time, but we will get there eventually.

711 I don't get you.

Your drug of choice is weed, but you would actively support the removal of this choice for others, just because of your "Opinion". I'd get some real life experience before making bold statements of that nature.

Just think of it from your governments point of view, Cigarette and Alcohol tax dollars make up a huge proportion of the revenue they recieve, where else would this come from? Your wage? It has to come from somewhere.

Heroin at least in it's clinical form is entirely manageable, people perform day to day tasks quite well..... there are many state sponsored addicts who've used Morphine as a pain killer and become hooked, they have entirley normal lives.

Cocaine whilst expensive has less effects on the body than almost every other rec drug. It even improves certain motor functions. Drivers tested in an article in Mixmag actually improved after a quick line.

I just find it hypocritical that you are such an advocate of your vice but everyone elses are wrong.