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you told me to quote you where you compared cocaine to weed here you go

[/quote]The plant isn't illegal, owning it and selling it is.

If we look into it further, cocaine and heroin are derrived from plants.... granted there's a process to refine but it's still essentially plant matter.... would you advocate legalising these products? [quote]

I thought you never compared the two?

I offer you knowlege and you wont accept it, if your ego wont allow you to soak it up, thats your problem.

At what point is heroin manageable, after they pass out and wake back up(not high). You are to high to do anything except lay there, I have been with a friend who OD on this shit dude, he died only two months ago. So I dont know where you got info that Hbomb is all nice and managable, He was a rich guy had everything he could want and he got hooked to smoking Heroin, and now he's 6ft under. It's very nice and safe.
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At what point is that a comparison?

That's merely a statement of fact.

Look, you have a view so do I, our opinions on this subject are polarised that much is obvious, the difference between me and you however is that you assume that there isn't room in the world for anyone to disagree.

The question is on legalisation..... my opinion is that most of what's wrong with drug culture would be alleviated, yours is that everyone else should tow the line according to Ameriskunks views.... tough shit hombre, the world doesn't work like that.

Do you imagine for one minute that there is no crime associated with the supply of Cannabis apart from the actual act?

Really, you tell me to get more educated, well Mr Knowitall you should really take off your blinkers.

The point about manageability is this, just incase you failed to understand it last time round.

Clinically this drug is entirely safe for human consumption. Street heroin is not..... surely even you can comprehend this tiny nugget of information.

When taken in this form normal functions can and are in fact more than manageable. However I'll second guess your response :-

You're Wrong, I'm Right.... great argument..... well thought out and well formed. Keep it up, you might even make some friends.

What I took from the statement you said was merely this: Cocaine, marijuana, and opium are all plants(comparison), the fact that they get you high(comparison), and when you said "would you legalize these products", I took from that, that you think marijuana is just as bad as cocaine and heroin. If you meant something else maybe it got lost in translation from UK english toAmerican english.

Like you said I have my opinion and you have yours, I am a big enough person to admit when I was wrong, and I appologise for telling you to leave. But my opinion on hard drugs is that they should be illegal, not because their supposidly bad for your body, but because not every substance recesses aggressive behavior, Cocaine shure the hell doesnt, Methamphetamine makes you hallucinate from sleep deprivation and makes people aggressive. You should be able to put anything natural into your body you like, but when it doesn't allow you to sleep at night you start trippin naturally from sleep deprivation, or makes you pass out in mid conversation(heroin) thats when I draw the line. I have these opinions because I have younger sister and parents who are sucked into the chemical romance, I said it before if you want draino and gasoline in you nose go for it. I just dont want impressionable younger members to think that you can go and do chems. with no consequences, they will fell it the next day

The question was just that, a question, it was designed to spark debate...... and was aimed at the statement before it.

Your attitude of "don't do it kids" will inevitably lead to curiosity.

I myself prefer people to make informed choices about their life based on information available and not someone else's opinion.

Caffiene in the right dose can cause sleep depravation... should it also be illegal?

I smoke, I drink, I smoke joints, I drink coffee, Occasionally I've taken Cocaine, Ecstacy, Ketamine, speed, MDMA crystals, LSD and a few others.... I'm not proud of this niether am I ashamed, however I am not an addict, I'm not dying, I'm not killing anyone else in a delusional drug fueled episode. I am however a running a successful business and my life is in perfect order.

I've enjoyed everything I've tried and it hasn't been the "Downward slope" people of your view think it is...... my point is this, there's room for all and it's upto the individual what they do and not Ameriskunk.

I have done everythin on your list buddy except acid, and I would like to try it it is just not available. You and I probably do the drugs on around the same level, recreationally. Why I think they should be illegal is because in the right circumstances chemical drugs could make the situation worse, Marijuana will calm the situation down, let the person who is freaking out, calm down.

Say your in the mind set that some dude has disrespected you and you want retribution, sober or under chem. uppers someone is far more likely to attack than when they smoke marijuana, not to say that every situation can be cooled with a few tokes but it sure calms me down allot when I'm angry.

Really, you tell me to get more educated, well Mr Knowitall you should really take off your blinkers.

I think you meant blinders

There you go again.... telling me what I mean. I meant and still mean blinkers.

Hypothetical situations are one thing...... What about this? Hypothetically someone who's stoned get's the munchies..... Oh no! He's all out of wagon wheels so he gets in his car and drives to the local filling station..... as he's stoned his motor skills and reaction time are drastically impared and he kills a kid innocently cycling along.

See you can make anything look bad if you imagine what could happen.

So now will you stop smoking weed? I doubt it. But it goes to show there are two sides to every subject at least... a fact you so far fail to grip.

AmeriSkunk, I'm sorry fella but, this is quickly turning into "how YOU are behaving" argument as opposed to the original topic.

Speak your mind; yes... air your opinion; yes... come along and upset the normal cool vibe of the forum; NO.

Please dont assume I am telling you what to do. I am pointing out, that from my point of view, you have recently joined to forum - like me, and you have made 40 or so posts. Now, we all say alot a good stuff and we all try to get along. "We" like it that way. "We" don't really like somebody coming in and behaving how you have done. Maybe this is just how you are...? if so, then I'm sorry but you are not like us...

I would suggest you hang around and read some older posts (yes, I know you will say you have)... get to feel the mellowness of this place. Keep posting, but try to follow the trend around here... and if you can't well, maybe this is not the best forum for you.

Stay cool and see if you can fit in... there's nothing wrong with putting your 2cents worth in but it's completey wrong to assume that anything other than your opinion is wrong.

Rez

PS: quoting stats about the viewing of a post, not all that view are members (?) unless I'm wrong ...(?) and take a look at the memberlist, There are shit loads that have signed up but dont post. Not everybody does post... There are "us", "the usual suspects" that frequent the forum... and I'm damn sure that when I say;"We" like it that way" that from how I have got to know and respect members for thier opinions and how they have expressed thier opinion through thier messages, I can say "we" because "we" have similar opinions... did that make sense...?

Oh, and one other thing, you mentioned how people would react in a situation after taking different drugs... you are spot on with how having a toke and getting chilled out so therefor no being fussed by much... and how the snorter would kill you for looking at him in the wrong way... and you mentioned how your family having chem problems (did I read that ? - im stoned)... maybe you should shrugg off that chip on your shoulder about drugs being all bad and get a little more life experience.

Yeah, What he said

Twitch wrote:Yeah, What he said

you MOFO... I saw that you had posted and i just knew what was coming... excellent Twitch

The two biggest killers in all of history: politics and religion.

I think you guys are fighting to defend your points from two different sides of the world. Not just two different sides of the same story, but two opposing sides from two opposing stories. You're a thousand miles apart, and things might very well be completely different in each of these places, so, you're just not fighting the same fight.

Now, say you're arguing about the legal status of hard drugs in Los Angeles, or Manhattan, you'd get alot further with this debate. But it seems to me that you guys simply just don't know enough about each other's environments to argue either way.

That said, I don't claim to know everything, or even anything, about hard drug use where Rev and Gonz live, so it appears to me now, that I simply can;t say a single authorative thing about it. And again, I'm not trying to speak for anyone here, but the case is probably just the same for all of you UK guys, you just don't know enough about hard drug use in the US to speak authoratively about it.

It would be different if you guys were experts in your respective subjects, but it doesn't appear that way. You just seem like two different normal people with two different normal experiences, and you're completely ignorant of each other's situations. I think you're simply getting too drawn into the argument to realize this.

Finally, I'll repeat, I don't mean to put words in anyone's mouth, or speak for anyone I don't know well enough to, but my observations certainly seem to be right on from the way you two are behaving towards one another. I make no claim to be above anyone else here, as I could have said the same thing about myself as I sat here arguing with you all yesterday. So I'll repeat what I've said before, I think we should simply drop this subject, at least until we're all more level-headed and capable of continuin in a mature and respectful manner.

(Unrelated post script: Every time someone add's a post, switches to another page, clicks on the topic title, edits a post, or refreshes a page, another page view is added. I'm certain I've contributed over 100 of those page views just by myself.)

this is just too funny, so you still mean blinkers.

you guys take everything too seriously. I was making a joke out of the blinker comment because I dont know of blinkers on anything but cars, I dont have any personal blinking devices, (having a laughing fit).

but the case is probably just the same for all of you UK guys, you just don't know enough about hard drug use in the US to speak authoratively about it.

Thank you 711
Resin 8 ted, I have done allot of drugs in my life and I am a firm believer in "dont knock it, if you havent tried it". I have done the drugs in question and been hooked myself and I am personally insulted by the "chip on your shoulder" remark. Do you think this is a points game or something? That I think it cool? I hate the fact that I know all of this info, and you act like: I do this and that, and look at me. I'm kick ass
If you want your legacy to be you preaching about how cocaine and heroin should be legalised, although fun at times, shouldn't be readily available. I prefer cannabis glory, as my legacy and if you dont like, tuff

I do like it..... at no point did I say I didn't...... Jeez. Now please refrain from making stuff up, much as you'd like to argue a point I didn't make.

If you think people are taking things to seriously try not to be so inflamatory in future and you'll get a much different reaction.

PS.... Blinkers are what race horses wear so they can't see anything else apart from the direction they're running in.

And 711, you're introduction of location has nothing to do with the facts of the matter. We have run down inner city areas just like you do and all the inherent drug problems and crime associated with them.... the ilegality of these substances is what drives the crime and black market...... you don't see a black market in tea leaves now do you?

DrGonzo wrote:And 711, you're introduction of location has nothing to do with the facts of the matter. We have run down inner city areas just like you do and all the inherent drug problems and crime associated with them.... the ilegality of these substances is what drives the crime and black market...... you don't see a black market in tea leaves now do you?

You misinterpret me. I'm speaking of the cultural differences, you guys were raised in different countries, for crying out loud, there's no way you guys could possibly understand every aspect of what the other is talking about, you just don't know each other's lives well enough, that's what I'mt rying to say.

Please, let's just tone this down a bit, okay?

But what about the Tea Leaves?

The tea leaves? I refer you to The Townshend Acts of 1767.