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Vapourisers
Posted: Sat 26th Mar 2005 11:22 am
by Lemming
I quite fancy buying a vapouriser. I’ve got a so-called “Mini-Vaporizer” but it’s really no more than a hi-tech bong. The best I’ve tried is the “Volcano” which is brilliant but extremely expensive.
Does anyone know what is in the Volcano to justify the price ? Why has nobody reverse engineered and cloned it? Which vapouriser do you recommend?
Hot Knives
Posted: Sat 26th Mar 2005 11:49 am
by Lemming
Years ago we used to do “hot knives”, which is a very crude form of vapouriser. We would skilfully remove the bottom from a glass milk bottle (I was quite good at this!) to act as a funnel. Two knives with heat-proof handles would be heated using a gas cooker, then a lump of hash would be squeezed between them inside the milkbottle. The bottle would fill with a mixture of vapour, smoke and hot air that we would inhale.
Did anyone else used to engage in this lung-ripping activity?
Posted: Sat 26th Mar 2005 03:36 pm
by mazdog
hahaha Hot Knifes rock!
I still use this technique on the rare occassions when i can get my hands on some hash.
Posted: Sat 26th Mar 2005 07:47 pm
by Valo
The quality of hash play a vital part in good quality hot knives - if that doesn't sound obvious!?!?
What i'm saying is that I tried the hot knife method with some bog standard english soap bar - it worked but I would have been better off crumbling the lump of hash into a pipe or bong in my opinion
However I tried the same method on a piece of Afghani black I once 'forgot' was in my other pair of jeans on a return trip from Amsterdam - this time it was awesome ~ a big thick black cloud of smokes releases from the lump of hash and a hit through a bottle neck puts you horizontal for a good hour!
Posted: Mon 28th Mar 2005 01:57 pm
by Lemming
Good to hear your hotknife stories - it wasn't just us then!
Can anyone recommend a vapouriser though?
Information about Vaporisers
Posted: Tue 5th Apr 2005 11:17 am
by Sess
Okay firstly for anyone who is interested in trying a vaporiser and is lucky enough to be in Amsterdam any time soon should go to the Cannabis College as they can best advise you and if you seem serious enough they’ll let you have a go of there’s…just provide your own weed and have something to eat first… they insist.
Firstly if you want to get the most out of your weed and believe me when I say you haven’t experienced weed until you have had a go on a vaporiser (I stress the word ‘good’ because there are a few variables involved, but I will go on to talk about this further at the end *). You are not burning the weed and not involving tobacco. I’m sure this is a healthier option and particularly of use if you want to give up tobacco.
Equipment
We had a ‘Vapir’ first, but to cut a long story short it didn’t work (don’t buy this make). I HIGHLY recommend the ‘DE_VERDAMPER (www.de-verdamper.nl) The element (turn on at least 10 mins before toking for optimum heat) heats the weed to a high temperature (without been in contact with it) and as the heat passes through the weed it causes the THC oil to vaporise. It then passes through the water and is cold (as with a water bong) and the vapour is inhaled through a glass tube. It’s a really nice bit of kit…it reminds me of Chemistry at school, although lots more fun. As for the Volcano…they said at the Cannabis College that it was okay, but not fantastic. The beauty of it is it can be passed around like a joint, thus not losing the ritual of passing, however you soon get used to stepping up to the mighty vap’ and taking your turn that way.
Getting the most out of your Vaporiser
1) Grind your weed. I find it best to grind it just before the point where you get powder (so it doesn’t fall through the gauze), but you do want plenty of surface area, so not to big.
2) Start slowly and see how you get on. I have seen the most hardcore knocked off their feet by this devise, so go easy to begin with. The hit is pretty instant, but it can match an A class hit no problem.
3) Add crushed ice into the bong to help cool the vapour (don’t do what we did and crack the glass neck in the process). It’s also best to take back enough breathe to either fill and then clear the chamber or if the chambers full then just that amount or less depending on how you feel. Believe me I’ve tried varying quantities and doing big deep inhalations means you end up coughing it all out soon after…so don’t be greedy… if your doing it right you’ll be very satisfied with your buzz even taking it easy.
4) When the weed has gone slightly brownish you will find you can’t get any more vapour from it then try mixing it up or giving it another grind… it will sometimes produce more vapour.
5) Finally, hold it back for at least 5 seconds, but more if you can… the longer the better
I don’t have one science G.C.S.E to my name so sorry about the slightly patchy understanding of how it works.
*If you are using the right vaporiser (remember to stay away from the ones that are in contact with the weed and ones without water chambers and the dodgy home made ones on sale on the internet) and you are willing to maybe experiment with doses your be blown away. Works well alongside other well known recreational drugs.
Thanks for invite to join… I’ll be back for more ***,¸¸,ø¤ºPeAcEº¤ø,¸*¸,ø¤ºLoVeº¤ø,¸*¸,ø¤ºaNdº¤ø,¸*¸,ø¤ºeMpAtHyº¤ø,¸¸*** sarah
Posted: Tue 5th Apr 2005 02:12 pm
by Lemming
Thanks very much Sarah.
Interesting that you didn't get on with the Vapir and prefer the Verdamper. From what I've seen the Verdamper is a heat-gun style device and therefore, on the face of it, less sophisticated than the Vapir or Volcano. Maybe the low-tech version works better then?
I’ve got a so-called mini vaporiser that actually looks like a miniature version of the Verdamper. It’s very crude and usually ends up burning the grass and acting like an ordinary bong rather than a vapouriser.
The Verdamper
Posted: Tue 5th Apr 2005 07:34 pm
by Sess
There is a version of the Verdamper that is a heat-gun style device, but we have the one up from that!
If you visit their home page here:
http://www.hempcity.nl/cannabisshops/in ... index.html and scroll down, you will see what I mean. It has an electrical element, which heats up fairly precisely to the 200 C that weed is meant to vapourise at. It is extremely reliable, and we have only burnt the weed a couple of (desperate!) times.
Um, just a bit of further info about the process... The vapourising process can only happen in a fairly tight temperature band (apparently) of about 190 C - 210 C, so having quite precise equipment is definately important. Another thing to note is that you have no way of absorbing the vapour, but as you hold it in it cools, and gradually turns back to pure THC oil. As this settles on the tissue in your lungs it is absorbed straight into the blood stream (thus the quick hit).
Also, as THC is an expectorant (de-congestgent) (spellng!?) it can actually help to clear shit off your chest if you are using it without tobacco and without the carsinogens that go with burning. Thanks to my husband for the science bit there.
Lemming... if your anywhere near Birmingham your welcome to come and have a blast... sarah[/img]
Posted: Wed 6th Apr 2005 05:37 am
by milehigh
Eagle Bill the father of vaporizers is often at the Sensi Museum giving free vapo hits. Many of the coffeeshops offer a vaporizer for use. I think the volcano that fills the bags works best. Try some Amnesia haze at Amnesia thru a volcano for a god like experience. Vaporizing is a great way to get stoned, but it pays to understand the entire concept to get the most out of your stash.
http://www.eaglebill.com/
milehigh
Posted: Wed 6th Apr 2005 10:08 am
by Sess
I didn't get on so well with the Eagal Bill.I found the vapour was to hot.
Posted: Wed 6th Apr 2005 05:44 pm
by Lemming
Nice one Sarah. I didn't know there was another version of the Verdamper. And thanks to your husband for the science bit.
I've already asked the makers of the Volcano to send me a sample to test. Maybe I should contact the makers of the Verdamper too.
I live near Bristol so not too far from Brum. I may well take you up on your generous invitation sometime.
Posted: Sat 23rd Apr 2005 08:54 pm
by Lemming
Storz & Bickel have kindly sent us a Volcano to test. We love it
It's brilliant - very easy to use and efficient. It is rather expensive though.
I'll put some more info on the site soon (if we survive the testing!).
Posted: Sat 23rd Apr 2005 11:04 pm
by Rici
I got my Volcano a few days after Christmas this year, and I love it. My lungs feel so much better now, I try to smoke out of the vape as much as I can. The nice thing about it is that you can re run the weed after you vape it. After a nice session I put the brown cannabis reminance into a jar and when I am out I put in a few mint flakes with the brown or "dirt" as i like to call it, and vape it up. It works like a charm. It been really convient living in a dorm because so many people want to try it that I get alot of dirt. In a few months ive got over 65 grams.
I truly recomend vaporizing to everyone, its worth the money to save your health.
Vapein' it up!
Posted: Mon 25th Apr 2005 08:18 am
by Sess
Hiya Rici
Yeah, I save the brownish hash for the rainy days… I do find you can over do it though and the weed will go black… I think this means the weed has been burnt and therefore the combustion process has occurred and the vape is acting more like a bong at this stage… I reckon, but as I’ve said before all science info from me could be entire crap, but I’m having a go. I love introducing people to using the vape and it seems you’re doing a pretty good job of spreading the word yourself!
Posted: Mon 25th Apr 2005 11:06 am
by Valo
The only vaporiser I have ever tried was in Pink Floyd coffeeshop, the young Dutch budtender was more than happy to set it up and show me how to use it - but I had already endulged in a slice of special cake, cup of special tea and several small bags of weed through the house bong; so I can't really judge the strength of a vapo hit as I was pretty much 9 miles high all day long !!!
As said before though, staying at the Greenhouse Effect at the end of May so will be putting their volcano to good use for sure !!!