og kush or chemdog?

[cantona7]

anyone see these american strains in amsterdam before?

[Puffin13]

OG Kush I have heard about in Amsterdam coffeeshops before but dont remember where or when.
I have not seen or heard of Chemdog or Chemdawg being in any shops. Amnesia sells a strain called Top Dawg; I bought some last week. It's a very nice strong weed. I would say it is more indica than sativa. I really liked it and will buy it again. I thought, just judging by the name, that it could be a cross of Top 44 and Chemdawg but that is just a guess. Pot n Peace.

[geoffk]

Chem and dawg are supposed to be the same strain, but one grown with chemicals and the other organic, if one is to believe Jason King. A relative to Diesel and OG Kush. They originated in Colorado. There is a breeder claimed to call himself Chemdawg too. Here is someone's take from this site:
http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat. ... umber/6507

OG Kush, Bubba Kush and The West Coast Dog.
"In late '93 John from Grass Valley Ca. got the Chem Dog cut. He shared it with me, Jerry(cowboy) from Dibble Creek Ca. and Harold(Putz) from Sunset Beach Ca. Putz had a male he called the secret ingredient. It was a cross of Lemon Thai and an Old World Paki Kush. Putz bred the secret ingredient to the Chem Dog. The buds that came out of this cross were going around So. L.A. county in '95. Someone told Putz that Kush must be so good because it was mountain grown. Putz laughed and told him "this Kush is Ocean Grown Kush bro". The tag stuck and it became known as OG Kush. In the spring of '96 Putz married a girl from New Zealand. Before moving there he sent cuts of his OG to me and Bob(beans) in Salinas Ca. He gave all his P1 stock and all the remaining seed he had to ****(mad dog) from Downey Ca. In late '96 **** sold some seed to some guys in the Valley. That's where the San Fernando Valley cut of OG comes from. It's like the Original only more sat in pheno type. **** sold a cut of the original to a guy in Orange county and that cut is called Larry today. It's still around Orange county. **** sent one other cut of the original OG to a breeder in Europe. As far as I know he never let anyone else have it.
Jerry bred his Chem Dog cut to a Humboldt county indica boy. This was the beginning of his cubing proccess. At BX3 he got a pheno that had all the smell, taste and kick of the Chem Dog, but in a pure indica pheno. Jerry gave this plant to Bob. It became known as the West Coast Dog.
Bob bred this plant to my Old World Kush male. He took a male from that cross and bred it to the OG cut Putz had sent him. This is what made the original Bubba Kush.

and

Brief background:

At a Grateful Dead show at Deer Creek Amphitheatre, 'joebrand' (aka 'wonkanobe') and 'pbud' met 'chemdog' and sold him an ounce of very high quality pot for $500. joe and chemdog exchanged numbers and they later arranged for two ounces to be shipped to chemdog on the east coast. According to chemdog, one ounce was seedless and the other had 13 seeds.

In ’91, chemdog popped the first 4 seeds. From these seeds, one male was found and disposed of (chemdog was young, you can’t blame him). The 3 females were labeled ‘chemdawg’ (now ’91 chemdawg), ‘chemdawg a’ (now chemdawg’s sister), and ‘chemdawg b’. In '01, chemdog and his girlfriend attempted to germ 3 more seeds, labeled ‘c’, ‘d’, and ‘e’. the ‘e’ seed never germinated, ‘c’ turned out to be junk (according to chemdog), and chemdawg ‘d’ was the keeper. In '06, 'chemdog' and 'joebrand' reunited and joe was given 4 of the last 6 beans: Chemdawg phenos 1-4, '4' being the chosen keeper. Joe thought the '4' was the best representation of the original and thus dubbed it the 'reunion pheno'. Chemdog still has two seeds left in his stash.

Chemdawg Crosses:
• 'OG Kush' (the original cut) came from an s1 from in a bag of '91 Chemdawg in the Lake Tahoe area in 1996.
• 'Sour Diesel' aka ECSD came from an accidental cross of ('91 Chemdawg x Mass Super Skunk/NL)x DNL after the DNL hermed and seeded the room. The DNL's lineage is NL/Shiva x Hawaiian.
• Original Diesel' (also known as Diesel #1, Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, Underdawg) came from a cross of '91 Chemdawg x (Mass Super Skunk x Sensi's Northern Lights) done by a guy known as ‘weasel’.

• 'chemdog' and friends made several crosses that are held closely by a small group of friends and acquaintances. Among them are:

1. Super Snowdawg (Bubble Chem x [Super skunk x Oregon Sno])
2. Giesel (Chem D x Mass Super Skunk)
3. Bubble Chem (Chemdawg’s Sister x Sag's Bubbleberry)
4. Dawg Daze aka ChemHaze (Chem D x ’93 Sensi's NL#5/Haze)
5. Chemdawg D x Pbud (another old-school Colorado strain)


JJ-NYC has been working on a Chemdawg D-based seed line for several years now. He started by crossing Chemdawg D to Sensi's Afghani after thoroughly testing both Sensi's Afghani and Sensi's Hindu Kush to determine which was more stable and would be better for the initial cross. JJ then did a backcross, known as "Double Dawg." Several phenos of this circulate and several people still have beans. JJ's latest work to the line is a second backcross known as "Tres Dawg" which is just starting to get tested.

Rezdog of Reservoir Seeds recently released several Chemdawg crosses as part of his 'Trinity' charity auctions. The crosses included Chemdawg D x Sensi's Hindu Kush and Snowdawg x Sensi's Hindu Kush, Chemdawg D x Sour Diesel IBL, Snowdawg x Sour Diesel IBL, ChemHaze x Sour Diesel IBL and Giesel x Sour Diesel IBL.

[Puffin13]

Thanks for the informative post, geoffk! Nice background about the strains mentioned. Cool. Pax.

[geoffk]

I'm not quite sure how factual the information is because I've heard so many rumors regarding these strains. I mean how can you prove it. Though the Colorado connection appears in every version I've heard. I also keep hearing of a person named "Chemdawg" which I'm a bit reluctant to believe. I have yet to try the strain called Chemdawg, both the finished product and the beans are hoarded. I guess it's my next directive to get some samples

[greenleaf420]

i dont honest beleive any of this lore one cuz ma pops knows and loves chemdawg buds and hes been smokin that shit since 85 and the strain comes from california and washington not colorado and the crock on that chemdawg was the og diesel is bs too. alls i gota say bout this is blah and i dont care paece

[m.c]

anyone see these american strains in amsterdam before?

im pretty sure grey area had og kush a few months back.

[smokestaxlitenin]

what a great post....i knew somehow jerry g and the good ole grateful dead would somehow get involved !!

yes, GA has had the OG in the past....

[cantona7]

og kush i gotta say is one of my top fave strains. would love to see it in the dam

[geoffk]

what a great post....i knew somehow jerry g and the good ole grateful dead would somehow get involved !!

yes, GA has had the OG in the past....

I've seen Deer Creek shows in '90, '91 and '92, if memory serves me right Fun days.

[geoffk]

From the Cannabible

I write this in hopes of clearing the mass confusion on the Diesel lineage. I have the real story from the actual folks responsible for Diesel.

The Diesel came from a seed that was found in a bag of the insanely delicious Colorado Indica known as ChemDawg (Cannabible 2, page 46). Two friends met on a Grateful Dead tour in '91 (thank you Jerry!), and a pound of the majestic ChemDawg whose own lineage is still somewhat of a mystery containing 12 seeds made its way to Massachusetts.

As for the father of those seeds, this much is known: The person who had the ChemDawg in Colorado was growing only ChemDawg, so the father was probably a ChemDawg male or hermaphrodite. The seeds found in the legendary pound bag were grown out, and from this came some truly phenomenal ganja.

At this point, another good friend was met on a Phish tour (thanks boys!) and clones of the awesome ChemDawg offspring were passed on to this lucky new friend. The new growers, from New York City, didn't like the name ChemDawg, so they started calling it The Diesel. This is the Diesel that some of us are lucky enough to know and love today. A couple of years later, a Super Skunk x Sensi Northern Lights was crossed with the newly named Diesel, and thus Headband, Daywrecker Diesel, and Diesel #1 (Cannabible 1, page 65) were created. Soon after that, a hermaphrodite Massachusetts Super Skunk pollinated the Diesel, and from the seeds created, the Sour Diesel was born. Then there's OG Kush, which is a sister to Sour Diesel. Several newer crosses have been made by the original Massachusetts ChemDawg family, and they are featured here.

Unfortunately, Soma's "NYC Diesel" barely, if at all, resembles the real Diesel. It has more of a citrus flavor, and is much weaker than the real Diesel. The thing that I love so much about the original Diesel and its hybrids is the aftertaste. Don't get me wrong, the exhalation is almost orgasmic, but it's after the smoke stops coming out that you notice a sour fuel flavor that just coats your entire mouth and throat. It's freakin' outrageous. I would smoke the real Diesel for just the taste even if it didn't have THC which, by the way, it has massive amounts of.

[smokestaxlitenin]

what a great post....i knew somehow jerry g and the good ole grateful dead would somehow get involved !!

yes, GA has had the OG in the past....

I've seen Deer Creek shows in '90, '91 and '92, if memory serves me right Fun days.

love the Dead....have seen 50 plus shows in the northeast area between 79 - 95......awesome times.....

[smokestaxlitenin]

me & my buds were just discussing today that the ChemDawg has become our new favorite.....killer.....