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NYCBud wrote:This can happen often when taking uppers (stimulants) and downers (depressants) in conjunction with each other.
A good friend of mine had heart palpitations and had to go to hospital after taking Pills and drinking a shit load of booze and smoking weed.
The depressant (weed, alcohol) slows your heart rate down and the stimulant (caffeine, ecstasy, nicotine) increases your heart rate and when taken together can cause your heart to beat erratically and when stoned can make you paranoid, which was probably the caused the anxiety.
All i can say to you is stick to the more indica dominant strains and take it easy with them.

Don't want to sound like a nanny, but I'd just like to correct something here

Alcohol is a Depressant, Marijuana is neither a depressant nor a stimulant, it actually has the effect of balancing your system, so it is working in harmony.

Marijuana (Sativa) introduces the body into a relaxed state of total awareness, by combining the two effects of both a Stimulant and and Relaxant. It causes you to breathe slower and deeper, bringing the body into a relaxation mode. This has the direct effect of increasing the amount of oxygen in the blood per mg. This results in your muscles being fed with better quality blood. This increases the stimulation of your brain, allow for more information to be picked up for your senses. The heightened sense of perception you get when stoned, audibly, visually and mentally, are not actually 'high', they are merely your body functioning as it should

As you relax, your arteries and veins also relax, meaning they widen, and allow more blood to flow, easing any restrictions to the blood flow. This causes a drop in blood pressure, which is why it should never be taken with blood thinning tables. If you cut yourself, you'd probably bleed to death.

On the stimulant side of the reaction, your body is put into a state of alertness. Your heart rate is raised slightly and your body is ready for immediate action, as in the fight or flight mode, but because you are relaxed, there is no muscle tension, and no unbalanced chemical reaction, you do not tire or become stressed by these elements.

All in all, your body performs at it's optimum level when you are 'high'. That's why you will always get high off a spliff. Your body always performs as it should do. smoking more than a spliff every four hours, is that moving you above the natural state into further levels of high, which then cause sensory overloads, as your senses begin to work on a level above that which we humans currently operate on.

May I recommend -

http://www.benefitsofmarijuana.com/index.php

as a very good read on the Medicinal and Scientific resource, as well as a spiritual one, on this wonderful plant. It is a book, you have to buy it, but I have learned so much truth from this book. I can verify it with my own personal experiences, so that makes it the truth to me.

Read it, go on, you know you want to.

CHELSEA_SMOKERS_SOCIETY wrote:

Bhang Buddie wrote:Alcohol's a downer and THC (no matter how contaminated) is an upper and you're mixing uppers and downers.
My advice (for what it's worth) is don't drink....it's bad for the body on its own as we all know. Putting both together is confusing for the brain and the body, as I said earlier it's called pissin' in the wind and it can give me the whirly pits dude when I do it, which I don't do too often, or you just stay with booze.

not deliberatly trying to knock your point bang bhuddie, but i would say the opposite, just for debates sake....

(i drink shit and smoke in equal amounts. i love it. get reallllly messy.)

i rekon giant fan should drink, in a sociable party enviroment. then have only a little bit of weed, a cople of tokes. that way, your body feels wasted (drunk) and you experience the inhalation. but DONT have enough to get stoned.

doing this a couple of times, and having no panic attack, may trick your body/brain into seeing that smoking and feeling wasted is perfectly managable. (association)

I'd agree with that as I drink n toke too and still get shitfaced with the whirly pits as well, but then I've been told I'm old enuff to know better May I recomend Giantfan, that you get together with other tokers from these sites and get wrecked ina 'Dam in complete safety bom Shiva

I've already decided I reall try it again.

I am either going to smoke again while not drinking anything, and see how that goes. If it doesn't happen, then I will assume the drinking was responsible. If it does happen, then I know it is either the hash itself, or, my own psychological problem.

Or, I might take medications before I smoke, to prevent anything bad happening. If I take Inderal, it will have my heart slow before I smoke. And if I take Ativan, it will help my mind be relaxed.

But I don't want to get dependent on both those medications just so I can smoke.


The weird thing is that although alcohol speeds up my heart rate on its own a lot of times, it usually melts away a lot of anxiety, and I use it in response to anxiety a lot.

So, I assumed that the alcohol would prevent any problems if I smoked. Instead, it might have done the opposite.


I think your suggestions are good. I need to get this right guys. I loved to smoke, and I want that back again. I am sick and tired of this madness.

I meant to mention Giantfan, that I have to take BP pills and other 'bits' that the doc tells me I have to take in order that things don't 'HAPPEN' to me. My thought in the 'Dam is 'what the fuck', I'm here to enjoy ALL of it.....that's why I'll be in DeKuil at around 6-ish on the 24th having fun with some beautiful tokers, smoker and jokers and using the vap to the N-th degree

Tell me the details!

What kind of pills do you have and what exactly is your condition?

When you take then when smoking, what happens?

It makes me feel better when I hear someone else maybe has something similar going on.

Giantfan wrote:I've already decided I reall try it again.

The weird thing is that although alcohol speeds up my heart rate on its own a lot of times, it usually melts away a lot of anxiety, and I use it in response to anxiety a lot.

So, I assumed that the alcohol would prevent any problems if I smoked. Instead, it might have done the opposite.

I think your suggestions are good. I need to get this right guys. I loved to smoke, and I want that back again. I am sick and tired of this madness.

I no longer drink, I have given up and now only smoke weed. Here is something very simple I learned and have advised all my friends, and they agree with it.

If you smoke first, then start drinking, you can have a full nights drinking and carry on smoking, but only if you do not go more than 4-6 hours without smoking, without any problems.

However, if you drink first, then start smoking, or smoke first, but pause for drinking without topping up the marijuana before it wears off, you will then start to get room spinning mania when you have a spliff afterward. It's a tried and tested proven fact.

The thing to remember is alcohol is a suppressant. It does not relive your anxiety, it hides it, represses the memory, pickles your brain so you cannot think about it. It is not removing the anxiety, merely hiding.

Marijuana on the other hand relieves your anxiety. Unfortunately it does it in the only way it is possible to remove anything, by making you face it. If you can find the root cause of your anxiety, and break it, you won't have to have any of these worries, although I know that is not easy, that is where MJ can help. It forces you to look at your problems rather than hide from them, if you can realise this, you can use you enhanced conciousness to reason it and remove it. Unfortunately, people do not look at it this way, and react to the anxiety, rather than using it as a beacon that points to the cause, and ultimately the resolution.

Sorry, just had some very nice Sativa and I have gone all philosophical

Giantfan wrote:Tell me the details!

What kind of pills do you have and what exactly is your condition?

When you take then when smoking, what happens?

It makes me feel better when I hear someone else maybe has something similar going on.

Details, details I have 'High' blood pressure and take a shitload of crap and smoking good hash and grass helps me to forget that I'm an old and crotchety, boring old fart ............and I totally agree with Soulrider

SoulRider: you're right. Weed clears your mind and makes you see "reality". That is why it is so potent.

I need to get over this anxiety. I need to face it and remove it. The problem is I am worried I might drop dead or something.

I just need to find a way to do this right. Meaning, the right weed, the right medications needed if necessary, the right mindset, and I need to take it slow and get used to it.

But, I only took 4 hits last night. I think the drinking did it. I didn't get the spins man, my heart was just out of control.

Bhang Buddie: come on! You can give me some more info. Help restore my confidence. It impresses me to see an old fart smoking away.

I'm only 25, and I feel crippled right now.

Bhang Buddie wrote:.....that's why I'll be in DeKuil at around 6-ish on the 24th having fun with some beautiful tokers, smoker and jokers and using the vap to the N-th degree

What?...you don't wanna party with us "not so beautiful tokers".

BigRigRob wrote:What?...you don't wanna party with us "not so beautiful tokers".

You must be fkin jokin BRR you're the furst on my list for being vapourized dude bom Shiva

I was just searching for a solution to prevent high pulse rate, and I saw this below. Basically, it says that they used the medication I take (Inderal, which is propranolol) can be used to prevent this. This is good for me.

"Thus, Kiplinger et al. (1971) demonstrated that the increase produced by marihuana in heart rate is prevented by pretreatment with a Beta-sympathetic nervous system blocking agent, propranolol."

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib ... c/nc1e.htm

Giantfan wrote:I was just searching for a solution to prevent high pulse rate, and I saw this below. Basically, it says that they used the medication I take (Inderal, which is propranolol) can be used to prevent this. This is good for me.

"Thus, Kiplinger et al. (1971) demonstrated that the increase produced by marihuana in heart rate is prevented by pretreatment with a Beta-sympathetic nervous system blocking agent, propranolol."

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lib ... c/nc1e.htm

This is good to hear. As you are now confident this will help you, it will reduce your anxiety about getting increased heart rate (ironically it is often this worry that brings one on). I hope you have a wonderful time and enjoy a fantastic smoke without any issues.

Yeah man, it makes me feel a little better. I will do the experiment soon.

Hopefully more people read this and have some experience with things that help in this situation.

I might start another thread for that topic.

For now, I am going to keep reading and find more information.

Giantfan wrote:.....I will do the experiment soon......Hopefully more people read this and have some experience with things that help in this situation.

Come dear friend and join us at the Meet n' Greet @ 420 on the 24th ( 420th ?), I take pills that I know not what for (BP) and with the calmness of good and comely friends so shall you be off your f*ckin face and enjoy all that Shiva and Lakshmi shall bestow upon you - bom Shiva let the joy of Ganja begin........... or, as Joe Cocker put it, 'Lets Go Get Stoned'


PS. if u r not there then, please accept that there will be many other times to come in Mokum..... bom Shiva