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Posted: Thu 20th Nov 2008 10:18 am
by Looneytunes
When you smoke just make sure you have some nice people around you. This should help you relax.

And listen to Niall his words are wise!

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 11:34 am
by Giantfan
Ok everyone. I finally did it. I smoked again yesterday.

I took 1.5 Inderal 10mg prior to smoking. I smoked about 4 hits of soapbar hash. I got a little high and I felt good actually. I didn't have any problems. My heart was under control. Everything was great.

Then later last night, I took some more Inderal. I smoked again also. I smoked maybe 3 hits, felt great, and then waited a bit. I then smoked a couple more hits. I waited about an hour, then I decided that I can smoke again! So, I smoked another couple of bowls, and then it started..............

I began to feel like crap. My heart was beating faster, but was controlled by the Inderal quite a bit. I started to have bad anxiety, and before I knew it I was in a panic attack. I knew better this time. I was able to control it. I walked around, laid down for a bit, tried to distract myself as much as possible etc.

I ended up having to take 2.5mg of Ativan. I took it in halfs until I finished. Finally, after an hour maybe, the Ativan kicked in and I got a lot better.


Things I noticed: I became INCREDIBLY sensitive to lights. The bright lights in my rooms were freaking me out.

I started having a rush of absolutely insane thoughts that I couldn't control and that were very uncomfortable.

My whole body, but especially my chest cavity was having weird sensations.

I know I ended up smoking too much. I over did it. But, I thought that soapbar hash would be pretty weak, and I thought I could handle it.

I used to smoke an ounce or two of that stuff a week when I was a heavy smoker. I could smoke it all day every day and never have a single problem.


What is soapbar hash made from? Indica or sativa? Or was my shit laced maybe?

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 12:51 pm
by Sir Niall of Essex-sire
Its because you are smoking soapbar. Any name of containments are in that shit and it could be setting of a allergic reaction in you, stop medicating with the drugs and messing your heart beat up. Soapbar is so impure your probably getting 10% cannabis resin if your lucky.

My advice is to stop smoking soapbar, wait until some decent green comes round your way, and save yourself until then. Im convinced that smoking pure 100% containments free ganja will greatly improve your experience, as well as remembering to stay mellow and relax.

Please do not touch this soap, it does unknown internal damage.

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 12:59 pm
by Giantfan
Well, you are making me feel a little bit better.

I feel bad about the soap bar, but if that is what is causing the reaction I am getting, then good, because I can identify it, move it from my list, and find something else.

But my question is that, I used to smoke this shit years ago all the time, and never had a problem.

So, is this new stuff, even though it looks and smells the same, different in some way do you think? Or, do you think maybe a lot of this is in my head?

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 01:03 pm
by Sir Niall of Essex-sire
Because the nature of soapbar, i.e being highly contanimnatied. You may have not been smoking some of the containments which are causing a reaction in you may not have been present in the previous samples you were smoking before. Different people will put different shit into the soapbar, theres not one set recipe. So this could explain why, im looking for any ideas from other UK smokers on this to help me explain this one.

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 01:20 pm
by Giantfan
Yeah, you might be correct.

The only thing that puzzles me is that it smells, looks, and burns the exact same way. But still, that doesn't mean anything.

I really hope it was contaminated. I bought it from a turkish street dealer anyway, and they are usually very shady.

If it was contaminated then I am happy because I know it's not the smoke.

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 01:26 pm
by murphyscafe
just to clarify, u got it in eire? or germany?

it comes from diffrent sources for each place!

germany's is worse!

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 03:03 pm
by Giantfan
Ahhhh, I got this one in Germany.

The others were from Ireland.

Why is Germany's worse?

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 03:13 pm
by Sir Niall of Essex-sire
regardless of origin, soapbar is extremely dangerous. It may well be worse in Germany, i havent been made aware of this is the past though. But english and irish criminal groups are just as likely to mix in all kinds of dangerous shit into their hash.

Stay away from Soapbar.

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 06:28 pm
by Giantfan
Interesting. I remember that when I used to get hash in Ireland, the bars seemed to be coming from somewhere else.

I don't think the UK drug people had anything to do with the hash content. It seems like it was like that from wherever it came from.

I didn't know soap bar hash was that bad. I must have smoked 50 bars of the stuff, at least.

Posted: Sat 22nd Nov 2008 07:50 pm
by murphyscafe
it all origionates from spain, grade 1 bars of kiff(80-95% pure kiff) is then mix upto 3 other grades giving less kiff per drop in grade to grade 4 with roughly 15-20% kiff!!!!! the rest is what boner said!!! BUT i knew of the grade of bars commin into uk/eire as they were commin in throu shannon! then distrebuted to uk and europe depending on grade, usually marked by symbols! remember them!

eire used to get mostly 2's n 3's rarely 1's!!! they were for uk n netherlands! depending on buyer!

if u got from knakers it was always a grade 3 bar! 2's from the .....well u know!

Posted: Sun 23rd Nov 2008 12:00 am
by Boner
murphyscafe wrote:it all origionates from spain
I was always led to believe they originated in Morocco, they must travel here via Spain though.

Posted: Sun 23rd Nov 2008 09:31 pm
by murphyscafe
Boner wrote:
murphyscafe wrote:it all origionates from spain
I was always led to believe they originated in Morocco, they must travel here via Spain though.
yes true, all as grade 1, to spain were they get mixed and shipped!

Posted: Sun 23rd Nov 2008 10:24 pm
by Ash333
murphyscafe wrote:
Boner wrote:
murphyscafe wrote:it all origionates from spain
I was always led to believe they originated in Morocco, they must travel here via Spain though.
yes true, all as grade 1, to spain were they get mixed and shipped!
its supposedly morroccan, through gilbralter and into spain and then the rest of europe...

I guess theres more than 1 route.

Posted: Sat 29th Nov 2008 07:10 pm
by extremepain
I have had about 6 really terrible reactions to weed, strangely enough, it wasn't good weed at all, it was always mexican schwag. Perhaps it was laced, who knows, but 6 times over time, it would be a real coincidence for it to have been laced each time.

In each case I would sometimes black out, or I would feel a flutter in my chest, but then the high was beyond any reality. No concept of time, space or memory. Ive driven at these times, and would freak out often thinking I had hit something with my car.

In one instance I was at a friends house. We had dinner, then he and I sat down with a joint and played video games, and I stared having the black out feeling, so i asked if i could go lay down. It got worse, I thought I was having a heart attack, my body convulsed, i couldnt get air, so i told him to get me to the hospital.

This is how good my friend is....I think Im dying, he tells me not to tell them i had smoked pot with him in the ER, when it could be the reason this was happening. I told the nurse I had found some ditch weed, and thats what i smoked....what a good friend he is.

Normally, as we all know, it takes forever to get in at the ER. When i walked in and the attendant saw me, she screamed for a wheelchair to get me back there, stat! My friend came in and they asked him if I was always this pale, and he told them no, nothing like this ever.

Now I dont know the exact medical terms here, but I believe they said you are supposed to have a 90 oxygen volume in your blood. Mine was so low, the thing they put on your finger to measure oxygen registered nothing, so they had to stick an artery and measure, and my oxygen level was 34...way bad.

I was in the hospital on oxygen for 6 days, and they never came up with a reason, they thought maybe pneumonia, but i had no pneumonia symptoms, and no fever. I knew it was due to the pot somehow, but it had never been like that.

There were times i wondered if it was an allergy. Since then Ive smoked mexican, and all other kinds and have never had the problem. I know i could have just become increasingly freaked out, but i dont know if i could have made myself that sick. Strange thing though. Now I only buy high end vancouver buds, and the super powerful weed has never made me sick like that.

I can see time displacement in a truly heavy stone...none of these 6 occasions were remotely pleasurable, they were like bad trips in a way. That worst time i spoke of was the last time something rough happened, and that was 1992.

P.S. off the topic...Soulrider, did you want to meet up with my son and i on Jan 4th? we get in at 8:30 AM, so it would depend on when youre leaving. Im ready for some coffee (cough, cough) as soon as we get our bags checked in. Im guessing by 10 am we should be settled...hopefully. Anyway, let me know.