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I don't think the problem is soapbar, it's the cannabis itself giving you anxiety.

I'm not defending shitebar, by the way.

The fact is; soapbar contains very little cannabis, so if you are getting anxiety from just a tiny amount, you should just steer clear of the herb. Contaminants may give you a bad chest and a headache, but not anxiety. Trust me, I've worked in the medical profession for over 10 years and most of that time was in mental health. In all that time, I've never heard of anyone getting anxiety symptoms because of 'allergic reactions'.

Straight up, mate, no bullshit, cannabis can provoke anxiety and psychosis in those with a pre-disposition to those disorders. I know this, not from reading medical journals or sensationalised mainstream press reports, but from treating dozens of patients over the years, seeing real people. This is a very common problem, those who want to bury their heads in the sand over this matter are the reason why the pro-decrimilisation lobby is seen as a bit of a joke.

I smoke because I don't get anxious or paranoid when high, if I did, then I would stop immediately, I've seen what's down the road from 'mild anxiety' and believe me, you don't want to go there.

It's pretty simple, some people are prone to anxiety attacks when stoned, just the same as some people are prone to fighting and arguing when drunk, whilst others sing and flirt..

There is so much paranoid conspiratorial rhetoric attached to this matter, and it doesn't help those who feel the negative effects of a toke, a single bit.

Peace out

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:
My advice is to stop smoking soapbar, wait until some decent green comes round your way, and save yourself until then.

Yeah, because NO-ONE ever gets the fear from the green

I personally suffer with depression and some anxiety disorder issues, well thats what my phsyciatrist calls it, anyway I find that green opens me up and makes me social and have never (touch wood) had any problems with it causing bad effects. I suppose I could be an anomally lol

But yeah Giant I hate to say it but i think scientificz could be right.

Aah, don't be like that

You're right as well, it can be of great comfort to some, but a nightmare for others who have so-called mental health issues.

I hope I didn't come across preachy, but too many people ignore the facts, to fit in around their own subjective experiences/viewpoint.

Personally, if I take amphetamines or coke, I am likely to get het up, paranoid and downright miserable for days afterwards, which is why I haven't touched any chemicals for a very very long time, and will never again. If you know your limits, you can work inside those parameters without feeling like you're missing out on anything.

It's all about knowing what's right for YOU, other people's advice can just be confusing in a situation like this (including my own, granted)


anyways tek it easy

Dont get me wrong scientificz i wasnt being faceacious (i think thats how u spell it) Ive read alot of things that state it can worsen depression and anxiety but I havent experienced that yet and if I do that could well and most likely will be the end of my smoking days because my health is more important, and no you dont come acoss preachy, your in the medical proffession so your knowlage is based on actual practise rather than speculation and should be given alot of consideration and not just ignored.

And when I wrote

I hate to say it but i think scientificz could be right

I didnt mean I hate that your right I meant I feel pity for him as he may need to give it up for good

As I say I didnt mean offense or anything science and I apologise if i did.

Scientificz wrote:

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:
My advice is to stop smoking soapbar, wait until some decent green comes round your way, and save yourself until then.

Yeah, because NO-ONE ever gets the fear from the green

No but people do get fucked up from smoking the chemicals and petrol, which is found in soapbar so is it not worth stopping smoking soap for that reason alone?

Regardless of what reason there is you should never smoke soap, and always wait until a decent bit of green comes around.

If his only recent smoking experience is bringing on anxiety, and his only recent smokeables have been soap bar then would it not make sense for him to stop smoking soap and to wait for a decent bit of green to come around? ( as i suggested.)

Then when he does get a decent bit of green and has smoke, if the anxiety persits then he would know its something to do with the cannabis substance rather than the dozens of other substances inculded in soap bar. If it does turn out to be the bud because when smoking it the anzxiety happens again then he will know it is the bud which could mean something like low blood sugar levels and the smoking of weed would worsen this, leading to ringing in the ears and a increased hard beat. These could create anxiety as he may be thinking ' shit im guna die.' But if the bud does not create these increase in heart beats etc then it could be something in the soap creating the increase of heart etc therefore also creating the anxiety.

Its like if i gave you a peanut butter, shellfish, beef, vasiline and wasp sandwhich, you ate it and started to notice effects such as a racing heart sweats and blurry vision. You then blamed it on t he shellfish. There would no way in proving that to be true as it could blamed on all the other things in the sandwhich. Same with Soap, we cannot start to suggest certain types of weed to smoke to lower anxiety when we do not know it is for sure it is the weed causing anxiety.

Of course an allergic reaction may not result directly in anxiety, it was meant to read that a allergic reactions may set off racing heart beats, light headiness etc which would then cause the anxiety. So although the allergic reaction is not directly the causal factor it is a result of the allergic reaction.

My adive still stands, you need to seperate the effects and anxienty you exprience from soapbar and the effects you will get from smoking pure contaniment free cannabis. This is best done by waiting till a decent bit of green comes around your way You may still get some anxiety from normal green but then at least you know its from the green not the soapbar chemicals. If you still get the anxiety then my other previous advice still stands.

Mellow out, and dont force yourself into it. Smoking should be a pleasure not a chore. Focus on the moment, be in good company and prepare to look at things from a different viewpoint. If it feels like something your forcing yourself to do, then its probably not worth doing.

As your boy said cannabis can provoke anxiety and etc in some, but you said that you smoked alot previously so if you was in danger and had an increased likelyhood of being paranoid etc would it not as shown itself just as much then as now. You however said you never experienced this anxiety before, so im thinking it would be strange that if you had always been prone to anxiety etc then you would of experienced this before?

By no means take no advice on this forum as being 100% proof, go to your GP and see what they have to say. My advice is not from someone with 10 years exprience in the medical industry, but it is from someone with over 10 years smoking and interest in the plant its effects and dangers. Instead of putting a thermometer in your mouth ill stick a joint in there.

You know your own body and mindset better than anyone on the site, you can make your own decision on whether you should be smoking better than anyone can for you.

Peace.

Well, you might be right. I just might be prone to this reaction no matter what kind of stuff I smoke. I hope not, but I might be. If I am prone to it, I am just hoping I can kind a better kind of smoke for me, and then work through the issue, and maybe I can overcome it.

But, I have to give regular green a chance, and see what happens.

I have pretty much given my whole story, I think.

The last time I smoked, I smoked some very weak hash, about 2.5 years ago. I was smoking it for a few weeks, rolled up euro style, with tobacco and rolling papers. I was in Iraq, and I had absolutely no problems at all. I was overjoyed, and it was really therapeutic. Of course, the stuff was extremely weak.

I don't know if I mentioned that, because I just remembered it. But that example gives me some hope.

I retract my former comments on this thread. I thought that my anxiety attacks were caused by SATIVA dominant weed, and in fact , I have discovered thanks to my recent amsterdam trip that pure or almost pure sativa cannabis gives me the best high feeling with zero anxiety or panic at all. I even tried to trick myself into having a panic attack lol and to no avail, just a nice good euphoric and social high. I was smoking an almost pure sativa strain called laughing buddha by the way.


So try what works for you... and goodluck