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DC wrote: ....Also Interesting to see how when confronted with somebody that can actually be bothered researching all angles of the subject matter, some of you guys just huff, spit out yer dummy.....and run away?.

4 to 1?.....well handled.

I'm too busy medicating man.
I've told that cnut Niall he's too clever for us neanderthals

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:I've always said this, cannabis is not a wonder drug or a take one puff and youll turn schizo and murder your family. Cannabis is a herb which is potentially extrmely useful for certain people but like any substance that changes peoples mind frames should be respectful and used responsibly.

Cannabis is not a wonder drug or the devils drug, it is as Buddhism says the middle way. That is that its nature lies in between those two extreme viewpoints.

That's what I've been saying... so why do you keep arguing???????

Do you enjoy trolling newsgroups to flame?

I didn't "spit out my pacifier and run away."

Adults don't play with flamers. Flamers are immature and extremely insecure.
And sometimes quite crazy, so instead I am backing slowly out of the room, avoiding eye contact...

You should try smoking pot sometime. Maybe it might help you to relax and not be so confrontational and argumentative.

--Roots Daughter

What a croc of shit.

Roots Daughter wrote: That's what I've been saying... so why do you keep arguing???????

Do you enjoy trolling newsgroups to flame?

I didn't "spit out my pacifier and run away."

Adults don't play with flamers. Flamers are immature and extremely insecure.
And sometimes quite crazy, so instead I am backing slowly out of the room, avoiding eye contact...

You should try smoking pot sometime. Maybe it might help you to relax and not be so confrontational and argumentative.

--Roots Daughter

I don't flame, I don't agree with you. There's a difference.

That's not really what you claimed, your first questionable claim is Cannabis' relation to Throat Cancer.

Just because something is burnt and inhaled, does NOT mean it is bad for you. You are making a false assumption... see the research of Dr. Donald Tashkin, Pulmonary Specialist.
There are many of us who have smoked for many decades, who have no bronchial troubles.
If you're going to post to a cannabis forum, why not try using this valuable resource to educate yourself about cannabis... like how smoking, yes, smoking cannabis helps PREVENT throat, neck and lung cancer.

Then implied anyone who challenged this was brainwashed..

Trouble is, people have been "brainwashed" into believing smoking anything must be bad for you... why?

I challenged it you then link websites mentioning the studies that apparently back up your view. I disagreed, put points forward why i disagreed, you ignored those and still haven't them!

You then called me brainwashed again, this time directly, after quoting more secondary references.

Jeez, how much proof do some people need? Talk about being brainwashed

I brought up the point about DC re. Chest problems and Cannabis. Instead of answering this point you told me to

Why don't you try reading and listening more, and arguing less?

You'll learn more

Then questioned where my sources are.

BTW, it doesn't really help your credibility when you dismiss every single link provided to you without providing any yourself.

I told you about the issues with Secondary referencing, instead of answering my points about DC etc. you told me to

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Still waiting for you to back up your ignorant, uninformed opinions... and waiting... and waiting...

Then you started accusing me of flaming, strange considering so far you told me i was brainwashed, ignorant, uninformed and needed to learn more?

You then told me that i needed to educated myself;

Of course, his ONE source is far more believable than any of us could ever possibly provide.

He really needs to educate himself about all drugs, not just cannabis if he thinks that opiates stimulate appetite. (ROTFLMFAO!)

Before going on to accusing me of flaming again.

So let's sum this up, you've personally insulted me and ignored my points but i'm the one that flames right?

Look, RootsDaughter, you really need to re-read threads before you start saying i flame. I've disagreed with you.

Now please answer my points and stop diverting the discussion away from that by trying to make me look like a cunt or back off and i won't bring up any of this sorry performance again.

Am i not merciful?

DC wrote: What a croc of shit.

Do reckon they'll ever answer my issues, or is this going to turn into a Niall is a cunt because thread....

Twichaldinho wrote:

DC wrote:
I'm too busy medicating man.
I've told that cnut Niall he's too clever for us neanderthals

I'm just trying to point out that Cannabis may be inappropriate to use when someones health is in question and to be careful about it.

That and drink my tea and eat my biscuits.

Nah, I don't think you'll get yer answers. Play devils advocate in this subject and you'll get accused of blasphemy/flaming sooner or later. Maybe nex time you shouldn't question it and just say 'thanks for the link'.

edit "..for the link...you're the man"

DC wrote:Nah, I don't think you'll get yer answers. Play devils advocate in this subject and you'll get accused of blasphemy/flaming sooner or later. Maybe nex time you shouldn't question it and just say 'thanks for the link'.

edit "..for the link...you're the man"

Maybe man, where do i sign up to the Medical Cannabis band wagon?

Sir Niell, I don't even know what you're arguing anymore, as you seem to agree with the main point of this thread...

Its just degenerated into an argument over who said what. And posting funny pictures to insult people.

As far as I can tell, your position on medi weed is somewhere along the lines of "yes, there are some legitimate medical uses, but its not a miracle cure for everything and there are some risks involved". Is that a fair assumption?

West of the Mississippi?. Apparently all ya need to join is smoke pot....well, atleast that's what they always say at the end of their posts. Which is weird, cos I smoke pot all the time and it doesn't close my mind of to other alternative points of view, unless of course they're getting preached at me.

"yes, there are some legitimate medical uses, but its not a miracle cure for everything and there are some risks involved and before ya go claiming the cure part...how about some legitimate trials first".

bleak wrote:Sir Niell, I don't even know what you're arguing anymore, as you seem to agree with the main point of this thread...

Its just degenerated into an argument over who said what. And posting funny pictures to insult people.

As far as I can tell, your position on medi weed is somewhere along the lines of "yes, there are some legitimate medical uses, but its not a miracle cure for everything and there are some risks involved". Is that a fair assumption?

My original point is the acceptable medical uses of marijuana do not extend to Cancer curing proprieties according to the majority of studies and the consensus of the medical community.

I also think there are huge methodological problems with studies that are pro-Medical Cannabis that mean there is a huge amount of problems with them and the need for further studies to research the subject. This consequently means that those claiming Cannabis to be a cure for such illness are basing their statements on insufficient evidence.

I am also worried about the un-critical approach to pro-Medical Cannabis studies by some.

I've brought up various other concerns which have not been addressed.

I have brought up concerns about the apparent benign nature of Cannabis.

I have continues to post as i have been accused of flaming, this distraction technique from answering my points i feel is an issue. I have just been showing to accuse me of flaming is false an attempt to draw attention away from my concerns.

bleak wrote: Its just degenerated into an argument over who said what. And posting funny pictures to insult people.

Actually dude, the who says what is because ppl didn't like getting pulled for the quality of their source information and have bitched about it since. The 3 pictures I'd say were totally for my benefit and 2 of them amounted to this smiley >> The only argument I can see is a figment of some peoples imagination.

It really makes me angry about some peoples outlook on cannabis. so many people have said it has different effects on different people, which i definatly agree with. How it affects me is different how it affects my friends and others. If you had a friend that had a bad episode on it, don't condone cannabis just because of this one isolated event. I don't mean to offend or upset anyone by saying this but, if you for example nearly killed yourself or possibly watched your friend nearly commit suicide,then i feel that there may have been a problem a that runs a bit deeper in the brain than just some bad trip.
If you don't like it,don't smoke it. if you don't like that your friends are taking it, change your friends, express your concern, or just leave them to it. Cannabis doesn't hurt anyone, its advantages far out weigh the disadvantages. Cannabis is a natural remedy for many many things.
I have a bad form of epilepsy, it has saved my life so many times, and possibly many of other peoples. if i feel shit, i just smoke, it makes me feel better and happy at the same time. I would be soooo fucked right now without the power of this beautiful plant.
At the end of the day, if you don't like it, leave the people that do like it alone.
Don't base everything on the fact that you knew someone that nearly fucked themselves over just because they had a few other issues in life, and stop blaming weed for EVERYTHING, like the government and my doctors do.
Sorry rant over

Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote:

bleak wrote:Sir Niell, I don't even know what you're arguing anymore, as you seem to agree with the main point of this thread...

Its just degenerated into an argument over who said what. And posting funny pictures to insult people.

As far as I can tell, your position on medi weed is somewhere along the lines of "yes, there are some legitimate medical uses, but its not a miracle cure for everything and there are some risks involved". Is that a fair assumption?

My original point is the acceptable medical uses of marijuana do not extend to Cancer curing proprieties according to the majority of studies and the consensus of the medical community.

I also think there are huge methodological problems with studies that are pro-Medical Cannabis that mean there is a huge amount of problems with them and the need for further studies to research the subject. This consequently means that those claiming Cannabis to be a cure for such illness are basing their statements on insufficient evidence.

I am also worried about the un-critical approach to pro-Medical Cannabis studies by some.

I've brought up various other concerns which have not been addressed.

I have brought up concerns about the apparent benign nature of Cannabis.

I have continues to post as i have been accused of flaming, this distraction technique from answering my points i feel is an issue. I have just been showing to accuse me of flaming is false an attempt to draw attention away from my concerns.

I hope this source meets with your stringent approval:


The Canadian Consortium for the Investigation of Cannabinoids
http://www.ccic.net/registeronline