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Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 04:05 pm
by SoulRider
Marijuana and the ANS

I was going to write this up and put my own spin on it, but for now I'll just literally copy this whole chapter from the book, The Benefits Of Marijuana by Joan Bello. I will include the bibliography of quotes she has used, so you can use it as a starting point to begin branching out with your own investigations, which down to everyone's individuality, will take them down different sphere's of investigation. People then can share this information, to help round out my knowledge, and that of the others present.

If you wish to bring any points to the table, agreement or dis-agreement, all points are valid, but I would like them backed up with sources so I can look into the validity and investigate myself, as I am wont to do. So without further ado..

Autonomic Nervous System

The Autonomic Nervous System (ANS) might well be called the Eighth Wonder of the world. Our heart beat, our breath, our temperature, our appetites, all our cellular exchanges are regulated by this automatic pilot. It sends the right signal, to the right organ, at the right time - without concious knowledge or effort. The primary control centre is the hypothalmus (section of the brain), which activates automatic processes in accordance with the body's needs at any moment.

Marijuana (comprising various cannabinoid compounds) molecules fit "pharmacologically distinct receptors" in this complicated mechanism.
the key to understanding how the brain communicates through this array of chemical messages lies in the shape of the chemicals and their receptors. Distributed throught the body on the surface of cell membranes are hundreds, perhaps thousands of different types of molecular structures called receptors. Each type of receptor has a charachteristic 3-dimensional shape and, like a lock, can only be opened or activated by a chemical key with the correct corresponding shape. this cellular selectivity provides evidence for the existence of specific receptors for the cannabinoids...The hypothesis can be proposed for a 'cannanboniod' receptor and findings...suggst (the existence of)...a pharmacologically distinct receptor."

Ornstein R/ Sobel G - The Healing Brain, 1990, Guildford Press NY.

Howlett A - Regulation of Adenylate Cyclase in Cultured Neuronal Cell Line" by Marijuana Constituents, 1987, St Louis Univ, MO.
This "fit" has led to much speculation in the scientific community concerning the ancient evolutionary connection between the Marijuana plant and Human Ancestry. Scientists have discovered that there is a brain hormone - keyed to this receptor (Devane W A, et al, 1992, Anandemide and Extra-pyramidal Function, Science, Vol. 56, No. 23/24, 258, 1946-1949.; Mechoulam Ralph, 1990, Cannabinoids as Therapeutic Agents, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL.) Preliminary testing has demonstrated its identical effects with the THC molecule. This "new" brain chemical (which unlocks the same receptor as THC) clarifies that effects of the cannabinoids are completely compatible with human organisms. Our own brain produces "Anandamide," appropriately named after the Indian word for "bliss." What is truly amazing is that the natural chemical is a completely different shape than the cannabinoid molecule, suggesting a, subtle, electromagnetic twin charge between the plant compound and the brain hormone, not yet detectable.

The ANS operates through two branches, the Sympathetic and the Parasympathetic, each exerting its opposing influence in constant complex chemical cooperation to balance the body (homeostasis) under all conditions. the ANS is made up of chains of two kinds of neurons that travel from the brain and the spinal column to organs throughout the body. Increasing Sympathetic activity results in outpourings of the body's chemical-stimulants, whereas increase in Parasympathetic action is complemented by the body's chemical depressants.

The ANS is intimately connected to the mind so that when we interpret our situation as safe, when we are not tired or worried, our autonomic system rests at equilibrium, eliciting neither addistional excitation (stimulation chemicals) nor relaxation (depressing chemicals). If this mode of balance was maintained, psychosomatic illnesses would not exist. But life poses a complicated array of continual dilemmas, and naturally, we react. Because the way we feel reflects and is reflected by our body chemicals, we need not ingest any substance from outside our organisms to change our moods. Instead through the autopilot of the ANS, body hormones are called forth by the situations we find ourselves in (such as rush hour traffic) and by various forms of recreation (TV programs), and most significantly by the way we perceive and think. Modern habits of excess result in imbalance - we work too hard, we think too much, we overeat, we over sleep - the net effect of which taxes our ability to maintain equilibrium. When an over abundance of excitement occurs on one moment, the ANS eventually compensates by equalising doses of despressant hormones, so that our organisms can (and often do) swing back and forth in response to what is commonly called "stress".

Drugs are agents that affect our nervous system in either one direction or the other. They can be natural hormones like adrenaline, which, if evoked excessively, cause problems such as mood swings and all types of psychosomatic disease, such as headaches, ulcers, heart attacks, and even cancer. Or they may be drugs that we administer from outside of our bodies. Either kind can be detrimental. By introducing drugs from outside our body; we may further exacerbate the pendulum-like action in our body chemistry. Heroin depresses the Central Nervous System (CNS) as well as the ANS and our organism compensates down the road by natural body stimulation, which we experience as nervousness. Alcohol works this way too. The stimulant cocaine, used to ffset sluggishness, eventually results in more sluggishness and progressively greater cravings for stimulation. this is the vicious cycle of addiction. It can occur by ingesting drugs or by eliciting our own body drugs through habits of excess (in action or even obsessive thinking patterns) that work as either stimulants or depressants. Marijuana, however, doesn't depress the CNS.
The Costa Rican study specifically attempted to find such effects: "One of our principle objectives was to identify gross or subtle changes in major body and Central Nervous System functions...attributable to Marijuana. We failed to do so.

Carter William E, 1980, Cannabis in Costa Rica: A study of Chronic Marijuana Use, Institute for the Study of Human Issues, Philidelphia.
As an example of the workings of this automatic mechanism: when a threat is perceived, fear is transmitted (via the Hypothalmus) to the body (through the ANS) as an order to prepare for strenuous action. Instantaneously, there is increased Sympathetic energy which pumps adrenaline-like chemicals throughout the entire organism. The heart rate increases dramatically, and the force of the heartbeat becomes greater, to respond to the additional needs of the body. More blood with more oxygen is sent imediately to the brain and sense organs (eyes/ears/skin, etc) for quicker perceptions and decisions. Stored sugars for energy are released by the liver. Capilliaries of veins and arteries constrict, especially in the extremities, possibly so that the loss of blood from wounds will be minimized. Blood pressure rises because the veins and arteries have constricted. At the same time the skeletal muscles constrict, almost in an armor-like fashion. breath becomes fast, shallow, noisy and irregular in response to increased energy needs. The pupils of the eyes enlarge for clearer vision. The body has automatically become combat ready without our even knowing it. All we did was get frightened. The ANS did the rest. this body mode is appropriately called the "fight or flight" response (Benson Herbert, M S, 1975, The relaxation response, William morrow and Co, NY.) and is a preparation solely for physical exertion. Once the action is over and the stimulant organisms have been used, the organsim rests at balance. But if no physical response takes place, which often happens in modern life, such as when we react to threats to our own status, ego, profit etc (as dangers), the body remains charged by the stimulating chemicals.

The ANS responds in the same way to reality or imagination. just thinking fearful thoughts enjoins the combat mode through chemical outpourings, and then there is the strong instinctive need to rebalance body chemistry. Our organism is revved up and going nowhere, and we feel tense. The Parasympathetic side of the ANS reduces this tension by an equalizing excessive does of depressant body chemicals, and then we may feel tired or sluggish. We cannot escape the law of balance. If we become overly excited at first, we become severly depressed later. Such chronic imbalance in the Autonomic System is defined as "stress," experienced physically or mentally as dissatisfaction, and it is responsible for most modern diseases.

The wonder of Marijuana is that it works in the body as an antidote to extreme swings. It does not stimulate. It does not depress. It does both at the same time, which is why it is unique, and so mis-understood by a scientific community educated from a narrow dualistic perspective.
The most extensive study of marijuana, written nearly 100 years ago understood the complicated workings of marijuana, when it stated: "It is both sedative and stimulant."

Indian Hemp Drugs Commision, 1969, Marijuana: Report of 1893-1894, Waverly Press, MD
The simultaneous opposing action of Marijuana is akin to balancing our entire system. Such balance in the ANS can be understood as a charged equilibrium, defined as "well-being, experienced as physiological expansion and psychological contentment and resposible for health.

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Many physiological changes occur with marijuana use, yet none of the changes is extreme in any one direction, The action of marijuana in the body causes slower and more expansive breathing (a direct result of Parasympathetic relaxation, which happens to us everytime we become relaxed). At the same time, the alveoli (sacs in the lungs) expand, so that stale air is better eliminated, allowing for greater oxygen intake (a direct result of more Sympathetic participation, and which happens to us naturally when we become excited), while both slower and deeper breathing occur, the depth of breath is even further aided by relaxing the "oppositional" muscles of the rib cage.


The rationale for health, underlying yogic postures, specifically addresses the benefits attained by increasing the size of the rib cage so as to accomodate an increased oxygen intake. Marijuana relaxes skeletal muscles (including the muscles that constrain the ribs). This efficient breathing has other far-reaching effects. Specifically, the brain receives more richly oxygenated blood and simultaneously receives a greater supply of that blood because of the dilation in all brain capillaries (increased parasympathetic action). At teh same time, because of an increase of Sympathetic energizing the heart rate rises slightly to speed up further the distribution of more richly oxygenated blood. Heart rate increase is usually associated with an increased pulse rate because arteries and veins constrict with Sympathetic activity, but with Marijuana no blood pressure rise occurs, since the capillaries have likewise expanded. In essence, the pump exerts a greater force, and the pipes allow for greater flow. The net effect is a highly functioning, yet relaxed, system with better fuel. This is why, with marijuana, the feeling is both relaxed and alert, which explains, in part, the experience of being "stoned."

Normally the body vacillates between the two opposing modes of being. The effects of the complicated marijuana molecule somehow actually integrate these two modes, simultaneously, as absolutely nothing else does, except perhaps Anandamide - which also activates the Cannabinoid receptors. When we examine the effects of marijuana within the framework of the body's healthy functioning, a dynamic interplay between either excitation or relaxation, we find that both the Relaxation Response and the Fight or Flight mode are enjoined.

The extremes of these two modes are commonly referred to as bi-polarity, in which one is either depressed or manic. Since Cannabis creates no pendulum action, there is no possibility of it causing physical addiction. It is actually anti-addictive. This explains the mystery of so many many regular marijuana users who claim that to stop poses no problem, whatsoever, and it confirms all the scientific studies that report no addiction with marijuana.

Although specific effects of marijuana in the body are well known, each has been taken in isolation without noting that both sides of the Autonomic Nervous System are conjoined. Instead of a perspective that sees the whole person and the simple holistic effect of marijuana, a myopic and reductionist method of measurement has been employed, and marijuana's profound meaning for health has been lost. Marijuana's action on the balancing mechanism of the human organism is extraordinary, perhaps because of the extreme complexity of the molecule and the uncanny perfect fit with specific receptor sites in the Hypothalmus (Howlett A, 1990, Metabolites of Delta-9 and Synthetic Analogs with Psycho-activity, St Louis Univ, MO.)

It appears that by impacting the ANS at it's point of origin, above its locale of bifurication in the body, marijuana resolves the "relaxation response" and the "fight or flight" reaction into one, thereby producing the subjective experience of unity. The literature concerning the experience of marijuana, from ancient to modern, is full of descriptions of "wholeness" or "oneness" - the paradox of the resolution of opposites.

Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 08:35 pm
by NYCBud
SoulRider wrote: Addiction:
"in terms that it causes people to want more and take higher and higher doses, because you cannot overdose from Marijuana, the psycological addiction can said to be irrelevant"
But the physcological addiction is relevant. Saying you cant overdose on marijuana is the more irrelevent point to the physcological arguement. A Physcological addiction can rule your life if its taken too far. I know alot of people that literally live to get stoned, it is unfortunatly how i used to be aswell. They get up buy weed, smoke all day, eat, sleep, wake up and smoke do the same again.

I remember spending £80 a week on weed at one point last year thats £320 a month and while i was in getting high i could have been out seeing the world, its a big planet and you've only got one lifetime to see it get out there! A few months of less smoking and i could have gone to The Okcavango Delta in africa on a Lion, Elephant and cheetah conservation project with my friends and i wish i did what an amazing experiance i missed out on they said they've never done anything like it.
But thats my experiance & opinion

Also with a Physcological addiction comes the health problems. I would argue that smoking a spliff is worse for your health that smoking a ciggeratte smoking 20 spliffs a day would technically be worse than smoking 20 ciggerattes in a day as there is more in a spliff and there is no filter. It makes sense. The problems get even worse if you add tobacco in the spliffs.

Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:13 pm
by SoulRider
NYCBud wrote:A Physcological addiction can rule your life if its taken too far.
I know it can. I have already said a psychological addiction can be worse than a physical addiction, but a psychological addiction HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MARIJUANA. A psychological addiction is entirely down to you. A physical addiction means something is addictive, a psyhcological addiction is a weakness in YOU and nothing to do with marijuana. You can get addicted to many things to people for example, does that mean we should ban people because they are addictive? No, they are not addictive, and nor is marijuana.

You associate with marijuana and want to do it more, but you could associate with absolutely anything and want to do it more. Realise that the thing you want to do more is not addictive. Then you realise that you can overcome psychological addiction, by changing your own mental state, learning how to not be addicted. Once you do that, and you no longer get addicted to things, then you realise marijuana is not addictive.

I will say this again, under no circumstances can the word addictive be used to describe marijuana, the recognised description of addictive implicitly states there needs to be a physical dependency for something to be addictive.
NYCBud wrote: I would argue that smoking a spliff is worse for your health that smoking a ciggeratte
Dude, you've done it again, made a statement with no supporting evidence. Again, you are throwing rubbish at me. NOT ONE SCIENTIFIC report I have come across has ever thought that smoking a joint is anyway harmful to your health, other than the fact that burning anything gives off carbon monoxide.

Let me quote some of the things discovered about marijuana so far. In various scientific studies so far, it is shown to have the following properties:

anti addictive, anti-aggressive, anti-allergent, anti-alzhemic, anti-anxiety, anti-arthritic, anti-asthmatic, anti-bacterial, anti-biotic, anti-cancerous, anti-cholesterol, anti-febrile, anti-convulsive, anti-depressant, anti-diabetic, anti-exhaustive, anti-hypertensive, anti-inflammatory, anti-insomniac, anti-nauseant, anti-oxidant, anti-tumoral, anti-spasmodic, anti-stroke as well as a pain reliever, neuro-protective, a digestive aid, an appetite stimulant, a muscle relaxant, protective for brain trauma, protector against poisonous gas (particuarly Sarin attacks) and a stabilizer of moods.

Show me a scientific study that says weed is bad for you, just one properly conducted scientific experiment, that says weed is bad for you. Find it. Please. I have spent months looking. and do you know what, it doesn't exist, anywhere. NO CREDIBLE SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH SHOWS ANY HARM FROM MARIJUANA.

This thread is to dispel the lies about marijuana. Come to me with proof of anything you have said. Please, I want to find out if there is anything out there.

Also, I take it from your comments that you have not watched that 10 part documentary linked above yet. You really should. It echoes everything I'm saying here.

Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:32 pm
by NYCBud
Im not going on scientific research. As technology improves science changes what you are told now will most definatly be totally different soon. We used to think that the world was flat. We used to think that Protons, Neutrons and Electrons were the basics of matter.
I dont need/go with scientific research i go from personal experiance. Dont get me wrong i do like science i have i got An A in Physics, chemistry and a B in biology at A-level.
I just personally think your own life experiances are the ones that count.

Theres no point really arguing with you SR you have your views and i have mine and i respect your opinion but i can say i dont agree with you on all the areas, but thats how we are people have different opinions thats what makes us unique. :wink:

Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:43 pm
by NYCBud
Just going to add abit to this
NYCBud wrote:Im not going on scientific research. As technology improves science changes what you are told now will most definatly be totally different soon. We used to think that the world was flat. We used to think that Protons, Neutrons and Electrons were the basics of matter with the advancement of technology we delve further into knowledge but i dont think we've even scratched the surface of what is possible not by a long shot.
I dont tend to go with scientific research i prefer to go from personal experiance as life can teach you alot more than book thats why there are human beings and human doings some would rather learn about it from a book or the internet and theres the others that prefer to learn by getting a hands on approach and personally i think its the best way. Dont get me wrong i do like science i have i got An A in Physics, chemistry and a B in biology at A-level.
I just personally think your own life experiances are the ones that count.

Theres no point really arguing with you SR you have your views and i have mine and i respect your opinion but i can say i dont agree with you on all the areas, but thats how we are people have different opinions thats what makes us unique. :wink:

Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:47 pm
by NYCBud
I dont need scientific reasearch to prove that smoking a king size joint is worse for you than smoking a roll-up ciggarette with the same tobacco and a filter.

Posted: Wed 24th Dec 2008 09:47 pm
by SoulRider
Sir Niall of Essex-sire wrote: Cannabis is not a wonder drug or the devils drug, it is as Buddhism says the middle way. That is that its nature lies in between those two extreme viewpoints.
You have hit the nail on the head there. almost ;)

It is the middle way, it is the balance, the resolution of yin and yang, the polar opposites, in union. It is both those viewpoints, and none of them, as Buddha himself would probably say ;)
Lord Average wrote: I also see a lot of people with various stages of alzheimers ....... but they couldnt remember what the question was (sorry, dodgy humour!)

On a more serious note, I can say that currenlty canabis is not considered to be a worthwhile treatment for alzheimers, either in combination with other drugs or as a stand-alone treatment. Maybe this will change in the future if there is robust supporting evidence.
Who decides which is robust evidence?

I could go into a long description here on what alzheimers is, but needless to say, lack of oxygen to the brain causes protein deposits called "plaques" to build up in the brain, and provide interference to the connective pathways in the brain.

Scientific studies that have been conducted in LAB enviroments and on animals over the years have demonstrated that THC from the cannabis Sativa plant, inhibits the action of the enzyme, AChE (acetyylcholinesterase). AChE is one of the known negative components in Alzheimer's disease and helps to accelerate the plaque-formations. By administering THC, no binding of AChE proteins could occur and therefore no plaques were fromed. Experiments found that THC actually disrupted the abnormal clumping of twisted proteins. in fact, THC could prevent AChE from forming plaques 100% of the time - as compared with prescribed drugs with a success rating of 7-22%, and all with life-threatening side effects. THC is totally compatible with the human body though, so no danger there.

That alone should make people sit up and take note, but no, do you know why the Medical community will not publicly advance marijuana as a wonder drug? Because they can't patent it. Once they make a fully synthetic version of it, they will proclaim it's wonder, from behind a patent.

Marijuana is kept in the dark, because no money can be made from it, I mean, we could all grow our own.

Posted: Thu 25th Dec 2008 12:41 am
by Lord Average
There's some good discussion here. Wouldnt it be great to be having it over some smokes in Amsterdam :)



Lord Average wrote:

I also see a lot of people with various stages of alzheimers ....... but they couldnt remember what the question was (sorry, dodgy humour!)

On a more serious note, I can say that currenlty canabis is not considered to be a worthwhile treatment for alzheimers, either in combination with other drugs or as a stand-alone treatment. Maybe this will change in the future if there is robust supporting evidence.

SoulRider wrote
Who decides which is robust evidence?
Reseach institutes, academic organisations and the medical community decides what is robust evidence. Collectively they have put a lot of time and effort testing the essential value of reseach findings, and have settled on a "heirachy of robustness" with RCTs being the top of the tree.

Randomised Controlled Trials (RCTs) using "double blind" methods and recognised statistical analysis are the gold standard for research evidence. Anything less tends to get pulled apart under review and lose credibility very quickly. This type of research is well suited to quantitative research such as drug trials (which would include canabis under strictly controlled clinical conditions).

My position is that I have had it proven time and again that just because research, books and articles are written, you cant take them at face value. There is a hell of a lot of crap reseach out there that misinforms and misleads, much of it is egotistically, politically or financially motivated.

Like I said, I havent done any focused research on canabis, so I dont know if there are any recent RCTs specifically on it, but I am aware of what has been judged by NICE as "best practice" in drug therapy and cognitive intervention for alzheimers, and canabis does not feature. Of course this may change.

If you have any references to peer reviewed RCTs about canabis then I would be really interested and would sit up and take special note of what it concludes




SoulRider wrote:
Let me quote some of the things discovered about marijuana so far. In various scientific studies so far, it is shown to have the following properties:

anti addictive, anti-aggressive, anti-allergent, anti-alzhemic, anti-anxiety, anti-arthritic, anti-asthmatic, anti-bacterial, anti-biotic, anti-cancerous, anti-cholesterol, anti-febrile, anti-convulsive, anti-depressant, anti-diabetic, anti-exhaustive, anti-hypertensive, anti-inflammatory, anti-insomniac, anti-nauseant, anti-oxidant, anti-tumoral, anti-spasmodic, anti-stroke as well as a pain reliever, neuro-protective, a digestive aid, an appetite stimulant, a muscle relaxant, protective for brain trauma, protector against poisonous gas (particuarly Sarin attacks) and a stabilizer of moods.
I would put up a kg of the best weed as a bet that you could find or conduct research that showed the opposite to a lot of the above! I have met many, many, many people (ie patients / clients) that use canabis and who have very unstable moods, who are anxious, and who are addicted / dependent. Also if it was such a potent anti-carcinogen, then why isnt Bob Marley still alive? If I remember rightly, he died of throat cancer!


Before I give the impression that I am anti-canabis, I like to think that I that I have a balanced approach. I will also confess to everyone that I am biased in wanting people to be healthy, happy and enjoy a genuine state of wellbeing. I do beleive in moderation in using canabis. This belief is based on both my own and other peoples experiences of excess. Therefore I wont shy away from talking about its potential negative effects.

As for its positive effects, I definately agree that canabis can inspire some great perspectives on life>
Suppressed motivation/ambition. You see this as a bad point. I say, that is a good point. The capatilistic world in which we live in thrives on competition, pitting each against the other, wanting people to win, because this divides, it causes everyone to become your rival, rather than your brother.

Marijuana opens your mind to logical and lateral thinking, it makes you realise that the ideals our current modern society hold are not the ideals that are the best for humanity and mankind. Marijuana awakens your spiritual self, and this is presented by a dissatisfaction of your life and the way things are. You interpret it as the fact that you are not where you think you want to be, but the dissatisfaction is actually caused by your spirit being awakened to the true wonder of life, and you are becoming dissillusioned with your life, but you are picking the worng target for your disillusionment. You have to options, either the world and our society is wrong, and is the cause of your problems, or Marijuana is. Guess which one everyone blames.... because its easier to say marijuana is bad, than it is to say the whole world and everything it currently stands for is bad.

I may not totally agree with you on all of those points SoulRider but I wish I knew a lot more people who think as you do.

I definately agree that canabis tends to produce feelings of humanity and brotherhood rather than conflict, and its a great antidote for the Western Consumer mindset that has poisoned our culture.

Posted: Thu 25th Dec 2008 12:53 am
by Lord Average
And the great thing is, if you believe what you wrote, then that is true, but if you then decide to believe what I have written, then that is true. Both are right, eventually people will agree or not, and realise that everything is just a point of view, and that right and wrong don't really exist
Nice One :D

Posted: Thu 25th Dec 2008 05:31 am
by USbongLord
heres a fact..im baked on some terminators mom,some fu fu..and a nice bed of orange romulan...and ten minutes into this conversation,,you wont be able to pronounce half these words so lets discuss whos going to get the pizza.....have a great holiday folks :wink:

Posted: Thu 25th Dec 2008 09:40 pm
by SoulRider
Lord Average wrote:There's some good discussion here. Wouldnt it be great to be having it over some smokes in Amsterdam :)

It certainly would, but as Bong Lord has pointed out, the conversation wouldn't last too long. :)
Lord Average wrote:

If you have any references to peer reviewed RCTs about canabis then I would be really interested and would sit up and take special note of what it concludes
Well, the point of the thread is to stimulate your interest in confirming or denying these points through your own investigations....

but since you asked so nicely...

http://www.scripps.edu/news/press/080906.html - this is a press release of findings from the research of a rather large biomedical research institute known as the scripps institute. Here is the first paragraph:
Marijuana's Active Ingredient Shown to Inhibit Primary Marker of Alzheimer's Disease

Discovery Could Lead to More Effective Treatments

LA JOLLA, CA, August 9, 2006 - Scientists at The Scripps Research Institute have found that the active ingredient in marijuana, tetrahydrocannabinol or THC, inhibits the formation of amyloid plaque, the primary pathological marker for Alzheimer's disease. In fact, the study said, THC is "a considerably superior inhibitor of [amyloid plaque] aggregation" to several currently approved drugs for treating the disease.


http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/11 ... marijuana/ - This one I only have the link to the news story, but it is about research from the Ohio State University. Here are the first 2 paragraphs:
Two new studies suggest that substances usually associated with dulling the mind -- marijuana and red wine -- may help ward off Alzheimer's disease and other forms of age-related memory loss. Their addition comes as another study dethrones folk remedy ginkgo biloba as proof against the disease.

At a November meeting of the Society of Neuroscience in Washington, D.C., researchers from Ohio State University reported that THC, the main psychoactive substance in the cannabis plant, may reduce inflammation in the brain and even stimulate the formation of new brain cells.
I typed "marijuana and alzheimer's studies" into google, and they were the 1st and 3rd answers, the 2nd in the list, not linked to here, is a subscription only site, but lead with the following story:
Marijuana, Curcumin and Pomegranate Juice for Alzheimer's Disease

Marijuana, curcumin and pomegranate juice may help prevent Alzheimer's disease, new research suggests. Recent studies have pointed to these alternative therapies as possible preventative therapies for dementia in older adults.
There are hundreds of results, everyone in Biomedical research knows the uses of Marijuana in treating Alzheimer's, but no-one in the medical profession does. Why is thei nformation hitting the research agencies, but never reaching the medical profession? Could it be something to do with the pharmacutical companies getting in the way?


:wink:

Posted: Sat 27th Dec 2008 05:30 pm
by NYCBud
SoulRider wrote: There are hundreds of results, everyone in Biomedical research knows the uses of Marijuana in treating Alzheimer's, but no-one in the medical profession does. Why is thei nformation hitting the research agencies, but never reaching the medical profession? Could it be something to do with the pharmacutical companies getting in the way?


:wink:
I think you could be right there SR. Probably something to do with the pharmacutical companies worrying about loss of sales from chemical drugs because people do prefer the natural option, it feels better knowing it came from the ground rather than a lab.

Could also be about the government not wanting to admit they were wrong if they do people lose trust in the system. They were wrong about alcohol in my opinion i think alcohol should at least be a class B drug and it probably would be if it were discovered alot later on.
And also probably pressure from other countries like the states, the UK was so far up bushes ass it was untrue we blindly followed them into a fake war and lots of honest, hardworking servicemen/woman and iraqi civilians were killed in the process.
Im thinking with the way the younger generations like the 14-19's and 20-30 are alot more open to cannabis than the most (not all) older generations because lots of them do it, have done it or have friends that do it. So this could meen in around 20-30 years time when these generations get older and they start to run the country attitudes will change.

Posted: Sun 28th Dec 2008 10:57 am
by Jon01807
NYCBud wrote: Im thinking with the way the younger generations like the 14-19's and 20-30 are alot more open to cannabis than the most (not all) older generations because lots of them do it, have done it or have friends that do it. So this could meen in around 20-30 years time when these generations get older and they start to run the country attitudes will change.
Completely agree with you on that one. I think we will see a positive change in attitude towards cannabis in the future, but that doesn't necessarily lead to the end of prohibition, or even legalised medical marijuana. As SoulRider and yourself have pointed out, the pharmacuetical companies will always be against it. These are companies with a lot of influence, whose only interest is in their own profit margins. Can you imagine them supporting a substance that could potentially replace many of their conventional medicines, and can be grown and cultivated at home? Not likely.

Society as we know it is extremely hypocritical, in every sense of the word. From drug laws to wars, and famine in thrid world countries. The pursuit of money sadly outweighs all others in this modern, 'civilised' time.

Posted: Sun 28th Dec 2008 12:34 pm
by SoulRider
Jon01807 wrote:
NYCBud wrote: Im thinking with the way the younger generations like the 14-19's and 20-30 are alot more open to cannabis than the most (not all) older generations because lots of them do it, have done it or have friends that do it. So this could meen in around 20-30 years time when these generations get older and they start to run the country attitudes will change.
Completely agree with you on that one. I think we will see a positive change in attitude towards cannabis in the future, but that doesn't necessarily lead to the end of prohibition, or even legalised medical marijuana. As SoulRider and yourself have pointed out, the pharmacuetical companies will always be against it. These are companies with a lot of influence, whose only interest is in their own profit margins. Can you imagine them supporting a substance that could potentially replace many of their conventional medicines, and can be grown and cultivated at home? Not likely.

Society as we know it is extremely hypocritical, in every sense of the word. From drug laws to wars, and famine in thrid world countries. The pursuit of money sadly outweighs all others in this modern, 'civilised' time.
Exactly and they are very good at it because they make you think the greatest plant on the planet is in anyway bad for you. Someone made a comment earlier about Bob Marley dieing from throat cancer. That wasn't Marijuana that gave him Throat Cancer, that was burning the Marijuana, and as it is plant material, giving off carbon monoxide, which gave him cancer. Marijuana, its active ingredients, Cannabinoids, do not cause cancer. It is a fact that if Bob Marley had vaporized his weed, he would never have got throat cancer, because there is no carbon monoxide, so Marijuana cannot give you cancer. They way you use it can however. Eating it also does not give you cancer. Please we have to be precise, marijuana cannot give you cancer, if you smoke it however the burning of plant material can.

Vaporizing and eating are safe, as the plant does not get burned.

Posted: Mon 29th Dec 2008 11:50 am
by imcalledstu
NYCBud wrote: Also with a Physcological addiction comes the health problems. I would argue that smoking a spliff is worse for your health that smoking a ciggeratte smoking 20 spliffs a day would technically be worse than smoking 20 ciggerattes in a day as there is more in a spliff and there is no filter. It makes sense. The problems get even worse if you add tobacco in the spliffs.
Seriously dude, you are getting on my nerves ... The health problems you would experience are ONLY from tobacco, I smoke WEED regularly, with no tobacco, and I have a perfect bill of health. Your problem is with TOBACCO not WEED.

Obviously there are health risks with tobacco as has been scientifically proven, but with weed I actually haven't been given ANY evidence of weed being bad for you. Can you provide me with some? or are you just going to keep posting the same comments with the same narrow mind set?